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Along with Andre Dirrell in a super-middleweight fight, it ain't a great card, but it's some boxing.
Dec. 30
At Cabazon, Calif. (Showtime): Jermain Taylor vs. Jesse Nicklow, 10 rounds, middleweights; Andre Dirrell vs. Darryl Cunningham, 10 rounds, super middleweights; Luis Garcia vs. Alexander Johnson, 8 rounds, light heavyweights
I'm surprised to see him back at 160.
Yep, that's what I thought, MW, WTF? Not a great night of boxing, but it'll be some boxing to watch, Friday night, Dec 30th.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
How do you think Taylor might do against Julio Jr. or Martinez?
I think both would beat him. Martinez is too good and Chavez is an underrated fighter with good power. I wouldn't be surprised to see Taylor jump out to an early lead against either guy, he's that skilled, but he'll start to slow down and we all know what comes next...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axYep, that's what I thought, MW, WTF? Not a great night of boxing, but it'll be some boxing to watch, Friday night, Dec 30th.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
How do you think Taylor might do against Julio Jr. or Martinez?
If Taylor can get back to his former self, or close, then he can be a force at middleweight.
I would not hesitate to pick him to beat Chavez Jr.
Of course I picked Manfredo to beat Chavez ;D
Taylor should take his time and build up his confidence by taking a couple of easier fights and then depending on how he does and feels go up in competition. With his chin I think he may not have too much resistance left.
We know the end to this story already. Taylor knocks Nicklow out. He fights another Nicklow and beats him too. He'll make believers out of some people that he's a force to be reckoned with. The same people who felt that way about Toney or Jones Jr. So, he earns himself a good money fight and he is knocked out badly. I wish it weren't so, but we've seen it now multiple times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Taylor's done, he will only be beat bums now.
In that case he can become world champ just needs to fight Chavez jr. ;D
If Taylor look good on the 30th, I'll start my PayPal account and bet he'll beat Martinez.
Who is training JT now? I would think that due to Jermain's tendency to give up his height and reach so easily then someone like Ronnie Shields would help him roll with punches and counter, but he'd have to change up his entire style for that because Taylor is usually a box from the outside pump the jab kind of fighter, that's where he's had the most success.
Martinez would wreck Taylor, I hope that fight never happens, but i'd give him a shot at winning a fight with Julio Jr, I actually wouldn't mind seeing that fight. Team Chavez and Arum might underestimate Jermain and think they've got another tomatocan, it could get interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI think both would beat him. Martinez is too good and Chavez is an underrated fighter with good power. I wouldn't be surprised to see Taylor jump out to an early lead against either guy, he's that skilled, but he'll start to slow down and we all know what comes next...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axYep, that's what I thought, MW, WTF? Not a great night of boxing, but it'll be some boxing to watch, Friday night, Dec 30th.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
How do you think Taylor might do against Julio Jr. or Martinez?
I don't think Martinez would "wreck" Taylor...he may stop him late, but JT is a good boxer, a good boxer is a bad style matchup for Sergio IMO. Someone Sergio would wreck would be a plodding slow handed power puncher who Martinez could pick apart. Conversely a bad style for Taylor would be a combination throwing pressure fighter that never backs up.
I was a Taylor fan for the longest time, I hope he stays safe and I hope he can get a 3rd match with Pavlik and knock that cunt out!
3 Guys for JT to avoid: Peter Quillen, Genneday Golovkin, Dimitri Pirog (too durable).
3 Guys JT can hang with: Paul Williams (might not be a horrible fight), David Lemeiux, Nobuhiro Ishida
Taylor used Manny Steward for about a year, from 2006-2007, but since 2007, he's been is back with Ozell Nelson, who Jemain started with as an amateur. In a way I wish Taylor would stay retired, he sure as fuck doesn't need the money, but I think he's doing this because he loves boxing. (go figure)Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I bet Taylor has some kind of plan for getting another shot at a title at middleweight, it might even include a fight with Felix Sturm, who knows. I still think he might do well against Julio Jr., because of all his championship experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
He will have to work on his stamina and concentration otherwise his performance will cause him to once again be as flat as an ironing board.
I think it's a big mistake to rush guys back and have them highlight a major network card. Even more so at middleweight. To me he needs to comeback off air and get loose with a bag boy or two, shake the rust and then have all eyes on and know himself all over again. I don't think he has much left in either case but why not give himself every last chance to be peak as possible. I think he gets marched into a big match on name alone and will have a very tough hill to climb.
This is a 10 rounder on SHOBOX, which isn't much better than fighting on ESPN FNF. Jermain's opponent, Jessie Nicklow is a 'can who won't last more than about 4 or 5 rounds, depending on when Taylor wants to knock him out. Perfect for "shaking off the rust."Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
this comeback is a bad, bad, idea. He got destroyed 3 times and the final time there was some bleeding on the brain. I think he'll get past this fight relatively unscathed but he is going to get scarily KO'd before it is all over. I just hope he doesn't suffer permanent damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axThis is a 10 rounder on SHOBOX, which isn't much better than fighting on ESPN FNF. Jermain's opponent, Jessie Nicklow is a 'can who won't last more than about 4 or 5 rounds, depending on when Taylor wants to knock him out. Perfect for "shaking off the rust."Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
You've got a point Capt, Taylor has lost 4 out of his last 5 fights, and has been brutally knocked out in 3 of the losses. Seems like Jermain should be thanking his lucky stars that he's still got all his marbles, and ride off into the Arkansas sunset.Quote:
Originally Posted by captainanddewthis comeback is a bad, bad, idea. He got destroyed 3 times and the final time there was some bleeding on the brain. I think he'll get past this fight relatively unscathed but he is going to get scarily KO'd before it is all over. I just hope he doesn't suffer permanent damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axThis is a 10 rounder on SHOBOX, which isn't much better than fighting on ESPN FNF. Jermain's opponent, Jessie Nicklow is a 'can who won't last more than about 4 or 5 rounds, depending on when Taylor wants to knock him out. Perfect for "shaking off the rust."Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I'm with ya on Nicklow being an imported doormat for Taylor. Unless the stars align he should dictate a win. The opponent really is secondary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axThis is a 10 rounder on SHOBOX, which isn't much better than fighting on ESPN FNF. Jermain's opponent, Jessie Nicklow is a 'can who won't last more than about 4 or 5 rounds, depending on when Taylor wants to knock him out. Perfect for "shaking off the rust."Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I've always had this pet peeve though when a guy is resurrecting the career and even more so when this is Taylors last call and final run to rebuild. I think there is a mentality to the spotlight and the big stage when a guy is under the microscope. Especially a Taylor who is all brass balls and might just think he once again belongs in the mix off a 'spectacular ko' or two. Taylor doesn't need to think he's there to impress or preform to anyones standards but his camps and himself at this critical stage after serious damage he's taken and being blasted the last time he was in. He's a high caliber fighter but needs to get back to roots on this final run, guys get exposure again and start running before they are fully 'back' upstairs, next thing you know Showtimes offering dates with another marquee name. Shit, I'm not saying dont get payed or take an opportunity but I think Taylor needs to be very selective and smart with what he's got left. We don't always need to see the sausage being made in the backroom. Rebuild. Its last call.
I always thought Jermain Taylor had the look of someone who could be good on FNF or something, I'm not sure how much his southern drawl would affect people listening to him, but surely there are better options available for him other than a comeback in boxing?
JT has been KTFO 3 times, but all vs pretty big punchers which 160 doesn't have a bunch of....don't get me wrong, there are guys JT should avoid, but others he might be able to handle. Taylor-Sturm??? I mean it seems like a good bout to me if Taylor is able ot compete again....Sturm isn't a huge power threat.
What a fall from grace for Taylor - Only a few years back he was the undisputed middleweight champion of the world and now we're talking about him like this - Pretty sad :(
I don't think he has a bad chin, he has taken some big shots and stayed upright..it's the gassing out late which is his big problem.
He also has the equivalent survival instincts of Frank Bruno with a hangover - Once he's rolling, he has that same glassy eyed look that Bruno always used to get when hurt.
Oh..and middleweight?? Wasn't he struggling to make that before he jumped up? If he has to struggle and drain himself, that's really not gonna be good for his noggin..
Don't get me wrong, I really like Jermain, but even before getting KTFO 3 times, he wasn't blessed with stellar IQ. I just hope the folks closest to him have the stones and/or care enough about him to get him to listen and make him understand that it's time to call it a career. Go buy some hogs Jermain, and start your own sausage company. (but get a good businessman to run it)Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
Bumping this up:
Some boxing friday night on Showtime, it's not great, but it's worth a look.
Dec. 30
At Cabazon, Calif. (Showtime): Jermain Taylor vs. Jesse Nicklow, 10 rounds, middleweights; Andre Dirrell vs. Darryl Cunningham, 10 rounds, super middleweights; Luis Garcia vs. Alexander Johnson, 8 rounds, light heavyweights
The problem for Taylor is as we know is that he no longer has stamina and hes no longer a 12 round championship level fighter as proven in his last outings. Going down to 160 I don't see that problem getting any better, i think it will get worse! He will beat mediocre opposition, but put him with any top ranked 160 fighter they would outwork him to a late stoppage. Taylor for the first half of a fight is outstanding, will cause any fighter problems but he just cant sustain the early pace he sets in fights and it costs him. I like Taylor, but I don't like seeing him brutally getting KTFO. I wish him luck , but he was in a bad way after the Abraham fight and that will take a lot mentally and I think quite possibly for Taylor physically. Froch, Pavlik and Abraham did a lot of damage to him.
Actually Lyle, this makes sense. I didn't think of this way. If he can make 160 safetly there are people at 160 that would earn him some money that don't have big power, someone like Felix Sturm. Stay away from Dmitry Pirog, Gennady Golovkin and Sergio Martinez.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Dibella seems to have faith in Taylor.
Boxing - DiBella explains change of heart on promoting Jermain Taylor
Apparently Diabella is back promoting/managing Taylor and Pat Burns is back training him. It seems Taylor is serious about making another Championship run @ middleweight, so we'll probably hear more about the "new Jermain" Friday night. :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
closer we get to this comeback fight the worse I feel about it. Not that he'll lose it, but rather that he'll win this (and against another journeyman in the next fight) and then he'll get destroyed when he steps up to the big leagues.
Fighter who had stamina issues (always seemed tense in the ring which makes you tire out), brutal KO losses, and bleeding on the brain.
It is going to end so badly.
Part of being a boxing fan, but it doesn't mean it gets any easier to watch.
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Originally Posted by captainanddew
And the sad part is, Jermain doesn't need the money, oh well, you gotta figure he's a grown man and if this is what he wants to do, it's his call.
The fight comes on late Friday night @ 11:00 PM ET on SHOBOX, I may not be able to keep my eyes open.
If jermain doesnt use that killer jab or have enough energy to even last a whole fight, he'll beat b level fighters and get his ass beat by the top, right where he left off.
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If anyone is interested this card starts tonight @ 11:00 PM ET or about 3 1/2 hours from now.
Dec. 30
At Cabazon, Calif. (Showtime): Jermain Taylor vs. Jesse Nicklow, 10 rounds, middleweights; Andre Dirrell vs. Darryl Cunningham, 10 rounds, super middleweights; Luis Garcia vs. Alexander Johnson, 8 rounds, light heavyweights
Taylor says this is the first time in his career he's ever felt 100% in shape....sad, but I hope he's right and I hope it helps.
I'm gonna try and stay up and watch this tonight, but it's suppose to be a triple-header. I'm not sure I can stay awake that long, Andre Gerbill is the co-main, he's not exactly a fav of mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I don't wish Jermain any bad luck, I hope he does well, I just can't remember anyone getting 'better' after they've been brutally KO'd 3 times.
I'm curious to see how Taylor looks, but every fighter says he's in the best shape he's ever been. He should win this easily enough though.
He'd better win easily, that's the only way he's going to sell himself as a middleweight contender again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
When on earth is this fight? It's getting well late. I'm delaying my lunch for this, I thought it was due to start 20 minutes ago?!
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
The 3 fight card is starting right now, first up, Luis Garcia vs. Alexander Johnson.
Tarver and Menefee calling the action.