If neither can get pacman next, they want to face each other.
This fight intrigues the hell out of me. Can Bradley beat a living legend?
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If neither can get pacman next, they want to face each other.
This fight intrigues the hell out of me. Can Bradley beat a living legend?
Not if that living legend is named MarquezQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Now that is bas ass fight. Props to Marquez and Bradley for stepping up to each other and accepting. I think this fight give Marquez more trouble than a Manny fight and at this point in his career it would be hard to imagine he can keep up with Bradleys pace.
Bradley isn't exactly a punch output dynamo. Against Alexander, Bradley threw 419 punches in the 10 rounds. Marquez attempted 360 against Pac in the first 10 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnixQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Now that is bas ass fight. Props to Marquez and Bradley for stepping up to each other and accepting. I think this fight give Marquez more trouble than a Manny fight and at this point in his career it would be hard to imagine he can keep up with Bradleys pace.
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Originally Posted by captainanddewBradley isn't exactly a punch output dynamo. Against Alexander, Bradley threw 419 punches in the 10 rounds. Marquez attempted 360 against Pac in the first 10 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnixQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Now that is bas ass fight. Props to Marquez and Bradley for stepping up to each other and accepting. I think this fight give Marquez more trouble than a Manny fight and at this point in his career it would be hard to imagine he can keep up with Bradleys pace.
Not so much his punch output but Bradley is pretty physical and it might take alot out of Marquez and limit his own punch output
Great fight. I hope this fight is made.
Marquez is one bad mofo. Full props to him on taking either fight.
Marquez is great and it will be awesome to see him in a final couple of fights. We should enjoy him while we can.
I think it plays out similar to the first diaz fight, bradley makes it close but marquez makes adjustments as needed and gets bradley out of there late. Marquez is to seasoned and will exploit bradleys agressivness.
I see it the same way, although I think Marquez may stop Bradley earlierQuote:
Originally Posted by armin
Wow. I like the prospects of it. Have not considered it much but this one yells bringing the best out of both guys. I do think Marquez was juuuust a bit too patient in counter mode with Manny but that is splitting hairs, I doubt he affords Tim the same tempo and likewise Bradley would not be in awe of moment and would press on as he's always done. He had better be very wise to not sell out on 'power' and that dip in stamina late that he's had in spots. I can see him getting stuck between styles when Marquez piles up the sharpshooting and angles as it goes...that left to body would be a biatch for Bradley. Quite simply if Marquez is pot shotting and choosing combos on Pac then a well deserved and quality Bradley better bring a bat. Marquez is a sage of the sweet science, quality calculator who finds and masters opportunities. I don't think he stops Bradley at all and will be nicked up a good bit but I think he'll take the dec at this point.
First off..what a wonderful fight if its made , 2 very good fighters actually wanting to fight each other.
Now where does this leave manny pacquaio?? , the fans wont want to see a pacquaio vs cotto 2 fight. So does that leave the door open for a pacquaio vs peterson fight??
I really hope so as its another excellent fight and it leaves amir khan (im not his biggest fan) in limbo.
marquez vs bradley and pacquaio vs peterson are excellent fights , fights teh fans no doubt will look forward to.
khan could fight prescott is hes bored though :D NO i cant see it either
Great fight and winner deserves to fight Manny. ;)
People seem to think Bradley is a lot better than I do, found it almost painful watching him take so long to stop the ghost of Casamayor last time out. I like the fight for sure but think MArquez eats him alive unless he really loses something in the lead up. Don't imagine 140 will require much effort to make but you never know with someone JMM's age at that weight, I thought he may well have benefited a lot from not havig to cut anything against Pacquiao..
I do have to agree with that he really does lack any form of power and watching him against Casamayor was painful. He is a good boxer though and I don't doubt that, he needs a stern test like Marquez or pacquiao to get the best out of him. I think to his credit he deserves a fight of that level now, I would have loved him to fight Khan though. If he does fight Marquez at 140 next win or lose I wouldn't mind seeing him fight the winner of Khan-Peterson if it happens again.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I like Bradley in this fight. I dont read too much into the Casa fight as Bradley was just going through the motions and treated it as a sparring session yet he made alot easier work of it than Marquez did. Styles makes fights and it appears Marquez has Mannys number but Bradley has that slick Amercian style that is perfect for dealing with Mexicans.
It wil be competative for the full 12 rounds but age and size play a part in this one and Bradleys reflexes and speed will be what seperates them IMO.
Marquez also wasn't in the ring with zombie casa, I also don't think bradley and slick go in the same sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Marquez is awesome. My favourite Mexican fighter by far. I really hope he gets the recognition he deserves when all is said and done. I pick him over Bradley. Just goes to show when you've got the fundamentals down and have that boxing intelligence, you can still be effective at an advanced age
I agree that Bradley isn't slick. It's tough to pick a winner. I like Bradley on first glance although I can see many ways JMM wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by arminMarquez also wasn't in the ring with zombie casa, I also don't think bradley and slick go in the same sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Great fight. I've wanted to see this fight for a while now, Marquez is one of my favourite fighters and I think he takes Bradley. He takes anyone at 140.
They both fought washed up versions of Casa. Joel fought both guys after his gift over Cruz.Quote:
Originally Posted by arminMarquez also wasn't in the ring with zombie casa, I also don't think bradley and slick go in the same sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
As for Bradley not being slick, Lamont Peterson would disgaree. Bradley likes to mix it and is built like a mini Tyson but he is skillful too and can make you miss. We'll have to have a sig bet if this fight ever comes off.
EBradleys a favorite of mine so if he won it wouldn't bother me honestly, so yeah ill take that sig bet haha. Yes they both fought past it casas but the version bradley fough was obviously even worseQuote:
Originally Posted by GAMEThey both fought washed up versions of Casa. Joel fought both guys after his gift over Cruz.Quote:
Originally Posted by arminMarquez also wasn't in the ring with zombie casa, I also don't think bradley and slick go in the same sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
As for Bradley not being slick, Lamont Peterson would disgaree. Bradley likes to mix it and is built like a mini Tyson but he is skillful too and can make you miss. We'll have to have a sig bet if this fight ever comes off.
Maybe not slick but definately a very well oiled machine.
I think Marquez' career has been on a short-term lease for about 4 years now. Can't help but doubt him in this one.
I mean Bradley is pretty shrewd.
Agreed. People forget how terrible Marquez looked in the Katsidis fight (and the first half of the Diaz fight). We can even put the embarrassment against Mayweather aside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
He rose to the occasion against Pac --- though that fight proved at least as much about how overrated Pac is than how undersold Marquez was. I think that was probably his last hurrah though.
Nothing against Marquez -- I will root for him to win if this comes off, and he was clearly in a wholly different class than Bradley at his prime and at a lower weight. I just think people are taking way too much from the Pacquiao fight -- Marquez is well past his prime.
Marquez looked fantastic against Pacquiao, but he didn't looked that way against Kastidis or really against Juan Diaz. Of course he deserves 100% credit for the wins, but the reason why people were upset Pacquiao choose to fight him for the third time is because of how he looked previously (I wasn't, I thought he would always be tough for Pacquiao). Bradley has never lost and never really been close to losing. I'll have to think more about it, but I like Bradley on first glance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de Piedra
People just didn't take into consideration that Marquez has Pacquiao's number. They will always have close fights. Kriptonite. If Bradley beat Marquez, given Bradley is under Top Rank, I can easily see Bradley facing Pacquiao in the Fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by shzaAgreed. People forget how terrible Marquez looked in the Katsidis fight (and the first half of the Diaz fight). We can even put the embarrassment against Mayweather aside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
He rose to the occasion against Pac --- though that fight proved at least as much about how overrated Pac is than how undersold Marquez was. I think that was probably his last hurrah though.
Nothing against Marquez -- I will root for him to win if this comes off, and he was clearly in a wholly different class than Bradley at his prime and at a lower weight. I just think people are taking way too much from the Pacquiao fight -- Marquez is well past his prime.
How can anyone possibly hold how 'bad' Marquez looked very early in the Diaz fight and negate the adjustments and break down he put on him in the second half? That is text book Marquez. He got dropped by Kats and again but close was teeing off with accuracy. Saying goes a man is only as good as his last fight...Marquez profited from familiarity and knowledge of Pac but he not only rose to occasion vs an elite, he arguably beat him.
I like Bradley, like him alot and since he's hit it big I do think he's been slighted at many turns with the 'ducking Khan' bs, no charisma etc etc. The dude is what the sport needs more of in tenacity and have gloves will travel attitude, but he has yet too face anyone with the ring generalship and flat out technical ability of a Marquez. He too has struggled early and is only recently found some solid boxing. I think it's a big mistake to cast Marquez off as some guy on borrowed time. Style wise he's the boxer to Bradleys attacker in there. I don't think he's going to outbox or out style Marquez and in the pocket I think Marquez inside-body game is taking it home.
You can never count a smart fighter like Marquez out, he make adjustments and does what's necessary to get the win. At first glance I have Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratMarquez looked fantastic against Pacquiao, but he didn't looked that way against Kastidis or really against Juan Diaz. Of course he deserves 100% credit for the wins, but the reason why people were upset Pacquiao choose to fight him for the third time is because of how he looked previously (I wasn't, I thought he would always be tough for Pacquiao). Bradley has never lost and never really been close to losing. I'll have to think more about it, but I like Bradley on first glance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de Piedra
I know why you do. It makes perfect sense. I'm a fan of both Bradley and Marquez, which makes it even tougher to pick a winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de PiedraYou can never count a smart fighter like Marquez out, he make adjustments and does what's necessary to get the win. At first glance I have Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratMarquez looked fantastic against Pacquiao, but he didn't looked that way against Kastidis or really against Juan Diaz. Of course he deserves 100% credit for the wins, but the reason why people were upset Pacquiao choose to fight him for the third time is because of how he looked previously (I wasn't, I thought he would always be tough for Pacquiao). Bradley has never lost and never really been close to losing. I'll have to think more about it, but I like Bradley on first glance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de Piedra
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
Its beffudling to me that Marquez can have 2 knockout wins against good opposition held against him. Marquez adjusts..it's what he does! Heck if Bradley drops him and then Juan knocks him out, is that another stroke against Marquez? I suppose the fact he gets dropped makes him seem vulnerable but this guy hasn't legit lost (apart from Mayweather) in a lonnnnng time..if ever? Has anyone convincingly beaten Marquez apart from Money?
I thought Marquez looked really good against Katsidis and he fought a far fresher version of Casamayor than Bradley did.
Even Money stacked the cards against JMM coming in higher in weight , JMM should have just backed out. Unlike Pac and despite a huge disadvantage fought !Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzExactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Its beffudling to me that Marquez can have 2 knockout wins against good opposition held against him. Marquez adjusts..it's what he does! Heck if Bradley drops him and then Juan knocks him out, is that another stroke against Marquez? I suppose the fact he gets dropped makes him seem vulnerable but this guy hasn't legit lost (apart from Mayweather) in a lonnnnng time..if ever? Has anyone convincingly beaten Marquez apart from Money?
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Originally Posted by RantcatratI know why you do. It makes perfect sense. I'm a fan of both Bradley and Marquez, which makes it even tougher to pick a winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de PiedraYou can never count a smart fighter like Marquez out, he make adjustments and does what's necessary to get the win. At first glance I have Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratQuote:
Originally Posted by Manos de Piedra
Marquez looked fantastic against Pacquiao, but he didn't looked that way against Kastidis or really against Juan Diaz. Of course he deserves 100% credit for the wins, but the reason why people were upset Pacquiao choose to fight him for the third time is because of how he looked previously (I wasn't, I thought he would always be tough for Pacquiao). Bradley has never lost and never really been close to losing. I'll have to think more about it, but I like Bradley on first glance.
Am I to believe you think Bradley actually won the fight? I am also a fan of both but Bradley is a one trick poney and not in JMM/Pac/ PBF league. Hell even Cotto. Ortiz , Berto, Maidana would / could punch him out Devon alexander at 147 look stronger . I want to see Bradley fight the Ghost first. Not sure what you saw in Bradley in the Pac fight. He moves straight foward , has terrible defense, no head movement, too short, little combinations, no power, no infight adjustment ability, corner has little experience, basically a black man fighting Mexican style with no pistola , So what is he to beat JMM or PAc with ? Pac should have gone to the body and thrown more upperccuts and he would be champion today and not robbed.
So please tell me what American style fighter has issued problems to JMM in the past. Remember JMM is not a basic Mexican style figher. Also please elaborate on this American style and who is good at it these days. American style do you me Dancin with the stars style ? Because Bradley definitely does not have good feet. Pac has the best feet I have ever seen and he could not run away from JMM,Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
I have no idea how this fight will pan out. Not one clue. I hope wiser men than I can analyze how the fight can go.
Marquez eats up brawlers punches and any inside fighters up. But I just read on boxrec he is fighting some unknown filipino in mexico. I have no idea who the 23 year old is al sabaupan or something like that. I hope its not another career bust move but it for damn sure looks like one to me. I have got to wonder if Nacho is still advising Marquez on who to fight?
Mayweathers Amercian style issued problems to JMM. He dominated very second of every round. Norwood aslo beat Marquez on points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxingSo please tell me what American style fighter has issued problems to JMM in the past. Remember JMM is not a basic Mexican style figher. Also please elaborate on this American style and who is good at it these days. American style do you me Dancin with the stars style ? Because Bradley definitely does not have good feet. Pac has the best feet I have ever seen and he could not run away from JMM,Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Bradley showed in his last fight he has evasive skills aswel. At time he was looking like Pernell Whitaker the way he made Pac miss. JMM is alot slower than Pac and doesnt throw as many flurries so Bradleys reactions will have to be a lot slower if Marquez is going to keep tagging him. Tims feet are also alot quicker than Marquez' and his fitness at his age should be better too.