Marlon Brando on Jews and Native Indians

I had always known Brando to be a great actor. Who can forget films such as The Godfather or Apocalypse Now? And of course he was the Daddy of the greatest superhero of all time. But I had no idea that Brando was such an articulate, clever and honest man when it came to the notoriously difficult role of reality. After all, most Hollywood people are mental. I was a bit bored and have been watching Brando interviews and he seems to know the score when it comes to those Jews and the unfortunate Native Indians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN17c...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQH-xi0lXPc&feature=related

As a disclaimer, I am only teasing with the first video. I have no real opinions regarding Jews in Hollywood. Mel Gibson and Marlon Brando would know far more than me.

playing video games again are we?

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playing video games again are we?

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No, only in facts. And that game was based upon facts which are largely ignored.

Genocide is what America is and 400 plus broken treaties. Genocide and dishonesty and with recent respect for international law is simply being expanded.

Do you like your house? It isn't yours and really terrorists have every right to blow it up.

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No, only in facts. And that game was based upon facts which are largely ignored.

Genocide is what America is and 400 plus broken treaties. Genocide and dishonesty and with recent respect for international law is simply being expanded.

Do you like your house? It isn't yours and really terrorists have every right to blow it up.

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I love how you pick and choose who to feel sorry for miles, it's so very liberal of you. On one hand you have the Indians or "Native Americans" (to use the limp wristed PC name) and they make poor political decisions, pick and choose the wrong sides to fight on, lose wars, and yes they got screwed out of a few deals, it happens look at England and the Arabs its not much different.

Then you look at the Jews a population of people that you should agree with more often than not miles, usually big into the liberal arts, and as a whole they go from pogram to pogram, they are enslaved by the Egyptians, held down by the Romans, attacked relentlessly by the Persians & Arabs, killed in large numbers by Nazi's and Soviets not to mention in the Middle Ages when they were thought to be one of the causes of the Black Plague, amongst other "super natural" events. Now that they have a little bit of land for themselves and they are doing well you think it's fine and dandy to keep picking on them....why? They are just defending their lands, they've got the right to do that.

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No, only in facts. And that game was based upon facts which are largely ignored.

Genocide is what America is and 400 plus broken treaties. Genocide and dishonesty and with recent respect for international law is simply being expanded.

Do you like your house? It isn't yours and really terrorists have every right to blow it up.

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I love how you pick and choose who to feel sorry for miles, it's so very liberal of you. On one hand you have the Indians or "Native Americans" (to use the limp wristed PC name) and they make poor political decisions, pick and choose the wrong sides to fight on, lose wars, and yes they got screwed out of a few deals, it happens look at England and the Arabs its not much different.

Then you look at the Jews a population of people that you should agree with more often than not miles, usually big into the liberal arts, and as a whole they go from pogram to pogram, they are enslaved by the Egyptians, held down by the Romans, attacked relentlessly by the Persians & Arabs, killed in large numbers by Nazi's and Soviets not to mention in the Middle Ages when they were thought to be one of the causes of the Black Plague, amongst other "super natural" events. Now that they have a little bit of land for themselves and they are doing well you think it's fine and dandy to keep picking on them....why? They are just defending their lands, they've got the right to do that.

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I suggest that Jews live in America and that native Indians occupy half of the nation. It is an easy logic.

THis is one of the main reasons why I'm not a liberal anymore. Lyle got it right. The Liberals choose who to defend and persecute, when their whole ideology is suppose to be "open minded" and helping out minorities and their fellow man isn't it? One of the liberals agenda has always been on picking the you know evil and greedy Jews who run Hollywood and the financial sector.:rolleyes:

Lyle started a thread called "What's the deal with socialism?" He should have started one called what's the deal with the liberals?

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THis is one of the main reasons why I'm not a liberal anymore. Lyle got it right. The Liberals choose who to defend and persecute, when their whole ideology is suppose to be "open minded" and helping out minorities and their fellow man isn't it? One of the liberals agenda has always been on picking the you know evil and greedy Jews who run Hollywood and the financial sector.:rolleyes:

Lyle started a thread called "What's the deal with socialism?" He should have started one called what's the deal with the liberals?

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So you didn't steal their land? Native Indians and Palestinian's have a lot in common. A bunch of land munchers in denial.

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THis is one of the main reasons why I'm not a liberal anymore. Lyle got it right. The Liberals choose who to defend and persecute, when their whole ideology is suppose to be "open minded" and helping out minorities and their fellow man isn't it? One of the liberals agenda has always been on picking the you know evil and greedy Jews who run Hollywood and the financial sector.:rolleyes:

Lyle started a thread called "What's the deal with socialism?" He should have started one called what's the deal with the liberals?

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So you didn't steal their land? Native Indians and Palestinian's have a lot in common. A bunch of land munchers in denial.

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Manifest Destiny miles...liberals Manifest Outrage at mundane "injustices" like what happened to the Indians 200 years ago....it happened nothing can fix it and yet you still bitch about it.

Marlon Brando was very political and almost a Liberal. :)

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Marlon Brando was very political and almost a Liberal. :)

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Lots of people in Hollywood are...you have to conceal any and all conservative thought if you're an actor....it's political segregation.

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Marlon Brando was very political and almost a Liberal. :)

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Lots of people in Hollywood are...you have to conceal any and all conservative thought if you're an actor....it's political segregation.

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Reagan and Arnie are famous conservative republicans. Plenty of them.

Weren't the Liberals persecuted during the McCarthy years?

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Marlon Brando was very political and almost a Liberal. :)

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Lots of people in Hollywood are...you have to conceal any and all conservative thought if you're an actor....it's political segregation.

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Reagan and Arnie are famous conservative republicans. Plenty of them.

Weren't the Liberals persecuted during the McCarthy years?

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Not liberals, COMMIES...that's farther to the left.

Reagan became a Republican later on, Arnold didn't govern like a true Republican though he was in California which has shifted into some sort of odd hodge podge of the wealthy elites and people selling oranges on the highway.

Historically there are tons of Republicans & Conservatives in Hollywood: Bing Crosby, Bob Hope, James Stewart, Clark Gable, John Voight, David Zucker, James Caan, Jon Cryer, Bo Derek, Angie Harmon, Lou Ferrigno, Clint Eastwood, Tom Selleck, Dennis Miller, Ben Stein, James Woods, etc.

But all the loudmouths are liberals

Thought Clint was a liberal, thanks for that info, what about Paul Newman, Warren Beatty and Robert Redford?

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Thought Clint was a liberal, thanks for that info, what about Paul Newman, Warren Beatty and Robert Redford?

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Liberal, Communist, Liberal

The sad thing is that i can't even hate on Lyle now. The institutions that govern us are almost nationless.

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THis is one of the main reasons why I'm not a liberal anymore. Lyle got it right. The Liberals choose who to defend and persecute, when their whole ideology is suppose to be "open minded" and helping out minorities and their fellow man isn't it? One of the liberals agenda has always been on picking the you know evil and greedy Jews who run Hollywood and the financial sector.:rolleyes:

Lyle started a thread called "What's the deal with socialism?" He should have started one called what's the deal with the liberals?

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So you didn't steal their land? Native Indians and Palestinian's have a lot in common. A bunch of land munchers in denial.

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Manifest Destiny miles...liberals Manifest Outrage at mundane "injustices" like what happened to the Indians 200 years ago....it happened nothing can fix it and yet you still bitch about it.

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Liberals man, that's how they roll. Blaming this generation on the injustices of the past like they are a part of it. Or they like to blame certain groups for their success and hardwork, the Jews is a prominent scapegoat for guys like Miles.

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Liberals man, that's how they roll. Blaming this generation on the injustices of the past like they are a part of it. Or they like to blame certain groups for their success and hardwork, the Jews is a prominent scapegoat for guys like Miles.

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Yes, exactly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBAWGHnLksA

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The United States as viewed by conservatives: "Land of the free, home of the brave"

The United States as viewed by liberals: "Oppressive regime of rich white men who oppressed, stole, and murdered, their way into power....the ONLY nation where there was slavery, the ONLY nation where there was racism, the ONLY nation of constant injustice"

I live in the United States miles, and I must say it's a pretty fucking nice place

The sad thing is that i can't even hate on Lyle now. The institutions that govern us are almost nationless.

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....come to the dark side.....it's the only way

400 hundred plus treaties broken with the Indians and of course modern America would like to sweep it under the carpet and pretend that the nation wasn't built on bloodshed and mass genocide. They want it to be all nuclear family and apple pie and then look what America has become today. It can't even respect human rights of the privacy of its own citizens. Ah yes, but it is all apple pie and rosy cheeks.

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400 hundred plus treaties broken with the Indians and of course modern America would like to sweep it under the carpet and pretend that the nation wasn't built on bloodshed and mass genocide. They want it to be all nuclear family and apple pie and then look what America has become today. It can't even respect human rights of the privacy of its own citizens. Ah yes, but it is all apple pie and rosy cheeks.

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So America is the only nation ever to treat indigenous people that poorly miles? Is that what point you're trying to get across?

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Liberals man, that's how they roll. Blaming this generation on the injustices of the past like they are a part of it. Or they like to blame certain groups for their success and hardwork, the Jews is a prominent scapegoat for guys like Miles.

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Yes, exactly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBAWGHnLksA

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The United States as viewed by liberals: "Oppressive regime of rich white men who oppressed, stole, and murdered, their way into power....the ONLY nation where there was slavery, the ONLY nation where there was racism, the ONLY nation of constant injustice"

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Who wrote that?

I wrote it and it IS how liberals view the United States.....just look at miles' posting he's liberal, look at all of the Occupy Wall Street crowd....liberals...and they hate America, they hate that it's so great and other countries do so poorly. Some people cannot wrap their minds around American Exceptionalism...some people like to make up excuses for it like America was built by the blood and sweat of slaves and murdered indians and not by the Founding Fathers.

Assuming Miles' argument is logically applied everywhere, the English should all fuck off back to Germany and Scandinavia and the Welsh should move back in

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I wrote it and it IS how liberals view the United States.....just look at miles' posting he's liberal, look at all of the Occupy Wall Street crowd....liberals...and they hate America, they hate that it's so great and other countries do so poorly. Some people cannot wrap their minds around American Exceptionalism...some people like to make up excuses for it like America was built by the blood and sweat of slaves and murdered indians and not by the Founding Fathers.

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Yeah but they know your country isnt the only one. Thats putting words in their mouths. Everyone knows the whites from all over had their slaves and killed and stole native men for their lands and at times here their women folk.

We did it, British did it, The Boers, Spanish in Peru decimated them and they were peaceful welcoming people too.

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400 hundred plus treaties broken with the Indians and of course modern America would like to sweep it under the carpet and pretend that the nation wasn't built on bloodshed and mass genocide. They want it to be all nuclear family and apple pie and then look what America has become today. It can't even respect human rights of the privacy of its own citizens. Ah yes, but it is all apple pie and rosy cheeks.

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So America is the only nation ever to treat indigenous people that poorly miles? Is that what point you're trying to get across?

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Why the relativity? It was awful and in breaking treaties showed a remarkable lack of class and honesty in the settlers. It was beyond awful and was genocide.

It is healthy to point out the truth and not cower from it because we are ashamed and at heart when dealing with the facts, I believe most American's feel torn. They like what they have, but when they learn how they got it, their skin inevitably starts to crawl.

It was savagery and ironically the Indians were called the savages. :rolleyes:

Miles why only the anger at America for their failings? Why no anger at anyone else???

Answer: Because miles is a liberal and hates America and will never be pleased with anything America has done or will do.

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Miles why only the anger at America for their failings? Why no anger at anyone else???

Answer: Because miles is a liberal and hates America and will never be pleased with anything America has done or will do.

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The US and the UK are the two nations that pretend to be democratic and just and they are anything but. It is the blatant hypocrisy of them both that I loathe. Their policies show them to be violent, repressive and dictatorial.

China has never pretended to be open or free. Actually, I look upon many nations with respect. Finland and Switzerland are fine examples of well run countries. They largely keep themselves to themselves, have decent social policies and are generally respected by people. Britain and America on the other hand are arrogant, forever involved in the affairs of others and furthermore repress their own people with freemarket policies that enslave the majority. Furthermore, you don't see Finland going around assassinating, torturing or invading other nations.

America and Britain of 1945 to the end of the 1960's showed potential, but all that promise has been eradicated and people see these nations for what they really are. They are despicable and at least in the case of America, I struggle to differentiate it from a country like China with the recent erosion of civil liberties and human rights.

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Miles why only the anger at America for their failings? Why no anger at anyone else???

Answer: Because miles is a liberal and hates America and will never be pleased with anything America has done or will do.

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The US and the UK are the two nations that pretend to be democratic and just and they are anything but. It is the blatant hypocrisy of them both that I loathe. Their policies show them to be violent, repressive and dictatorial.

China has never pretended to be open or free. Actually, I look upon many nations with respect. Finland and Switzerland are fine examples of well run countries. They largely keep themselves to themselves, have decent social policies and are generally respected by people. Britain and America on the other hand are arrogant, forever involved in the affairs of others and furthermore repress their own people with freemarket policies that enslave the majority. Furthermore, you don't see Finland going around assassinating, torturing or invading other nations.

America and Britain of 1945 to the end of the 1960's showed potential, but all that promise has been eradicated and people see these nations for what they really are. They are despicable and at least in the case of America, I struggle to differentiate it from a country like China with the recent erosion of civil liberties and human rights.

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The Swiss??? Odd someone with your hatred of large banks would like them...though they did allow the Nazi's to keep their money there so that sort of fits into your whole "I hate the Jews" thing.....Finland? Another "sit on the fence" country??? miles when you are a Super Power, you don't have the luxury of being able to sit on the fence which is probably why you hate the US and England, they are decisive, they must be.


Andre, there's nothing now that can be done about slavery or the indians....LET IT GO

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Miles why only the anger at America for their failings? Why no anger at anyone else???

Answer: Because miles is a liberal and hates America and will never be pleased with anything America has done or will do.

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The US and the UK are the two nations that pretend to be democratic and just and they are anything but. It is the blatant hypocrisy of them both that I loathe. Their policies show them to be violent, repressive and dictatorial.

China has never pretended to be open or free. Actually, I look upon many nations with respect. Finland and Switzerland are fine examples of well run countries. They largely keep themselves to themselves, have decent social policies and are generally respected by people. Britain and America on the other hand are arrogant, forever involved in the affairs of others and furthermore repress their own people with freemarket policies that enslave the majority. Furthermore, you don't see Finland going around assassinating, torturing or invading other nations.

America and Britain of 1945 to the end of the 1960's showed potential, but all that promise has been eradicated and people see these nations for what they really are. They are despicable and at least in the case of America, I struggle to differentiate it from a country like China with the recent erosion of civil liberties and human rights.

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The Swiss??? Odd someone with your hatred of large banks would like them...though they did allow the Nazi's to keep their money there so that sort of fits into your whole "I hate the Jews" thing.....Finland? Another "sit on the fence" country??? miles when you are a Super Power, you don't have the luxury of being able to sit on the fence which is probably why you hate the US and England, they are decisive, they must be.


Andre, there's nothing now that can be done about slavery or the indians....LET IT GO

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They can push their economies without oppressing and killing globally. Many nations do so. Being a global superpower does not give you the right to do what you want and inflict whatever suffering you like on other nations. The UK has a terrible history and the US has arguably surpassed any harm that we may have inflicted. I will not nod my head and say 'Good job America or good job Britain on your colonial past'. That would be dishonest and making excuses for power hungry war mongers and that is all that they are.

There is a lot that can be done to atone for our pasts. We can present the true history in our textbooks and show it for what it was which was a racist, dishonest, bloodthirsty, imperialist conquest. America is a big country, half of it could very easily be given back to the Indian population and the same with Australia and the Aborigines. It won't happen because we are cowardly, dishonest and greedy. Britain has its own responsibility to Ireland and our own particular land theft.

The point I am making though is that you can be a successful economy without imposing your military or economic blackmail upon others. Switzerland in particular is a very successful economy. You don't have Switzerland murdering people on independent soil nor hear of them carrying out programs of rendition or ordering indefinite incarceration or opening prison camps offshore to torture people. Those actions are what tyrannical states do. Normal states don't do that kind of thing. Britain is very much complicit with a lot of what the US has been doing and so they deserve fire and brimstone too.

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The point I am making though is that you can be a successful economy without imposing your military or economic blackmail upon others. Switzerland in particular is a very successful economy. You don't have Switzerland murdering people on independent soil nor hear of them carrying out programs of rendition or ordering indefinite incarceration or opening prison camps offshore to torture people. Those actions are what tyrannical states do. Normal states don't do that kind of thing. Britain is very much complicit with a lot of what the US has been doing and so they deserve fire and brimstone too.

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Really??? The Swiss do not use their ill gotten wealth to their benefit? Do you raise them up that highly miles?

Politics are politics no matter what flag you're under...in this matter I must say you've shown yourself to be either blindly idealistic or simply niave

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400 hundred plus treaties broken with the Indians and of course modern America would like to sweep it under the carpet and pretend that the nation wasn't built on bloodshed and mass genocide. They want it to be all nuclear family and apple pie and then look what America has become today. It can't even respect human rights of the privacy of its own citizens. Ah yes, but it is all apple pie and rosy cheeks.

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miles, It would be one thing if, as usual, you started a thread with the intent of bashing, whining, bitching about America, but at least got some of your facts straight. As usual you're a clueless douche and talking out yer ass, America was not built on bloodshed and mass genocide, that's utterly false and insulting to Americans who worked hard to make this nation great.

Fuck off with your personal/obsessive hatred for the U.S., that is all.

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The point I am making though is that you can be a successful economy without imposing your military or economic blackmail upon others. Switzerland in particular is a very successful economy. You don't have Switzerland murdering people on independent soil nor hear of them carrying out programs of rendition or ordering indefinite incarceration or opening prison camps offshore to torture people. Those actions are what tyrannical states do. Normal states don't do that kind of thing. Britain is very much complicit with a lot of what the US has been doing and so they deserve fire and brimstone too.

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Really??? The Swiss do not use their ill gotten wealth to their benefit? Do you raise them up that highly miles?

Politics are politics no matter what flag you're under...in this matter I must say you've shown yourself to be either blindly idealistic or simply niave

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Yes, I do actually.

The Swiss make most of their money from manufacturing, Lyle. They manufacture industrial chemicals and machinery which is why their products are not all that noticeable, but they are very significant.

Switzerland is an extremely successful economy, the people enjoy a high standard of living and the state is largely neutral.

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400 hundred plus treaties broken with the Indians and of course modern America would like to sweep it under the carpet and pretend that the nation wasn't built on bloodshed and mass genocide. They want it to be all nuclear family and apple pie and then look what America has become today. It can't even respect human rights of the privacy of its own citizens. Ah yes, but it is all apple pie and rosy cheeks.

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miles, It would be one thing if, as usual, you started a thread with the intent of bashing, whining, bitching about America, but at least got some of your facts straight. As usual you're a clueless douche and talking out yer ass, America was not built on bloodshed and mass genocide, that's utterly false and insulting to Americans who worked hard to make this nation great.

Fuck off with your personal/obsessive hatred for the U.S., that is all.

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My facts are straight. America was built upon those very things which I stated. Now what makes me laugh is why it hurts you so much to just hold your hands up and admit it. It is because the truth hurts and people don't want to look too deeply into the history. Those Indians were here first and they were lied to, deceived and murdered. Repeatedly. Hundreds of times.

America became a great nation, but its foundations were brutal and horrific. It was a great nation before it became rich too when the indigenous people were allowed to flourish.

You are being a bit nasty in your final sentence, but you know I don't see the point in arguing with you. The facts are what they are.

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Yes, I do actually.

The Swiss make most of their money from manufacturing, Lyle. They manufacture industrial chemicals and machinery which is why their products are not all that noticeable, but they are very significant.

Switzerland is an extremely successful economy, the people enjoy a high standard of living and the state is largely neutral.

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And what of their banks? The financial sector of Switzerland comprised 11.6% of their GDP and banking represents about 5.6% of the entire workforce of that nation.


Good on them for actually putting their people to work unlike the majority of Europe who would rather tax the hell out of everyone to supply the worthless barnacles collecting welfare

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Yes, I do actually.

The Swiss make most of their money from manufacturing, Lyle. They manufacture industrial chemicals and machinery which is why their products are not all that noticeable, but they are very significant.

Switzerland is an extremely successful economy, the people enjoy a high standard of living and the state is largely neutral.

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And what of their banks? The financial sector of Switzerland comprised 11.6% of their GDP and banking represents about 5.6% of the entire workforce of that nation.


Good on them for actually putting their people to work unlike the majority of Europe who would rather tax the hell out of everyone to supply the worthless barnacles collecting welfare

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The banking sector is something I am less comfortable with, but having said that, if they are being a positive attribute overall I don't have an issue with them. They are private corporations, my beef with banks is only when they start knocking on state doors. The rumours of black market banking is what it is, but banking is only part of the economy and illegal banking would only be a fraction of that. Plus Switzerland is evolving its banking practices.

It's a healthy country and does very well with a population of 7 million.

Oh, so you are alright with the Swiss banks remaining neutral during World War II and then keeping wealth that was stolen from the Jews that were killed in the Holocaust?

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400 hundred plus treaties broken with the Indians and of course modern America would like to sweep it under the carpet and pretend that the nation wasn't built on bloodshed and mass genocide. They want it to be all nuclear family and apple pie and then look what America has become today. It can't even respect human rights of the privacy of its own citizens. Ah yes, but it is all apple pie and rosy cheeks.

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miles, It would be one thing if, as usual, you started a thread with the intent of bashing, whining, bitching about America, but at least got some of your facts straight. As usual you're a clueless douche and talking out yer ass, America was not built on bloodshed and mass genocide, that's utterly false and insulting to Americans who worked hard to make this nation great.

Fuck off with your personal/obsessive hatred for the U.S., that is all.

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My facts are straight. America was built upon those very things which I stated. Now what makes me laugh is why it hurts you so much to just hold your hands up and admit it. It is because the truth hurts and people don't want to look too deeply into the history. Those Indians were here first and they were lied to, deceived and murdered. Repeatedly. Hundreds of times.

America became a great nation, but its foundations were brutal and horrific. It was a great nation before it became rich too when the indigenous people were allowed to flourish.

You are being a bit nasty in your final sentence, but you know I don't see the point in arguing with you. The facts are what they are.

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You wouldn't know a "fact" about America if it jumped up and bit you on your ignorant ass.

I don't know if you just like being an attention seeking asshole, or pissing on America et al, but i'm not going to read any more of your idiocy, you need to find a new game dude.

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Oh, so you are alright with the Swiss banks remaining neutral during World War II and then keeping wealth that was stolen from the Jews that were killed in the Holocaust?

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They are private corporations, Lyle. Am I alright with private corporations stealing money? No, I am not. And private corporations have done that a lot in your country recently and in many countries.

Am I impressed with the nation of Switzerland in terms of its economic development, it standards of living, its ability to own guns without killing one another and its ability to be neutral and not interfere? Totally. It is a highly developed nation.

How can an American criticize Swiss banks anyway?! Hahaha, what a joke! ;D