Froch vs Bute on April 14 in Canada, then a rematch on August 4 in Nottingham

Bute vs Froch For April 14th, Rematch on August 4th - Boxing News

Good to hear although don't like the whole "a rematch regardless of the outcome" what's the point if either one dominates the whole fight and gets a late stoppage.

Bute finally gets his chance to step up. I'm curious to see how he'll fare.

I'm a big fan of Froch, but I think he's going to take a beating here. Bute by TKO.

Froch's clumsyness and his lazy ass jabs makes him susceptible to bute's uppercuts.



Ive always liked froch due to his supreme confidence but I think bute catches him with something brutal..

I'm willing to bet that froch could tysons punches!!!

Froch could be old now though

Froch is a beast

Everyone in the world of boxing should respect froch, the man has bottle

My bet is bute doesnt make the rematch

Froch just doesn't know how to take an easy fight... Or make a fight easy... Which worries me. But either way Froch is an absolute legend.

You cant say that froch avoided ANYBODY.

I''m a fan of Froch, the man has balls and doesn't avoid anyone. But his confidence will have him walk into vicious uppercuts that are gonna win Bute the fight. Can't count Froch out the man is non stop, wouldn't be a shocked if his pressure broke Bute down and got a late stoppage. I'm picking Bute to win this.

Now when I compare Calzaghe to froch I say froch has a better record the travelling and competition faced is second to none, tbh he should be considered a future hall of famer, but before he retires he should grab the European belt just to say he has had them all!!!! I do think he can beat bute but he needs to spar with Calzaghe which would get him in good form for Bute. I say froch late tko

This may upset you Froch fan's he is a limited fighter, on 3 occasion's he has been well out boxed by
Ward and Kessler,and Taylor against Taylor he got lucky.?
About 5 year's back I was talking to a former SM World champ not Joe, about him he told me he hold's his hand's to low, and he is very open to counter's.
Which was all correct, and I can see Bute out boxing him, Froch is a bit like a Ford Mondeo it's a good car,
but it will never beat a Aston Martin.?;D

I suppose we are well entitled to our opinions but froch is going to beat a roman!!!!
The way I see it if you don't like froch then u don't like boxing. He is what's keeping the sport watchable

Wow great news and the rematch date falls on my Birthday so a trip up to Nottingham may well be in order. I can see everyones point about Froch being open to Bute's uppercuts but I don't think you can discount the possibility of Froch stopping Bute in either match. Whatever happens I want to have seen the Cobra fight here in the UK.

Why couldn't Bute wait on Ward? Ward vs Bute is the fight we all want to see.

Big UPS to Froch. He lost the Super 6 final and already, ready to get back in the ring with the 1A of the super middleweight division. I guess we all know who Ward is going to fight. Anthony Dirrell. Although he have been hinting around a catchweight fight, Martinez.

Good fight to look forward to! Am a big froch fan but it will defo b interesting to c bute at a much higher level.this will b a gd scrap and am hoping froch can do it but wot av seen ov bute he looks impressive he better ready for a serious fight thow cos Carl fired up for this 1 as always!

Decent matchup, but why the need for an immediate rematch? Just seems absurd to me. What if Hatton had done that with Pacquiao? A bit bonkers if you ask me.

It fills their agenda for a year, but considering that you have no idea how the styles will matchup it is a bit premature.

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Decent matchup, but why the need for an immediate rematch? Just seems absurd to me. What if Hatton had done that with Pacquiao? A bit bonkers if you ask me.

It fills their agenda for a year, but considering that you have no idea how the styles will matchup it is a premature.

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the rematch wont happen anyway mate

the most likely outcome is bute scrapes to a very tight controvesial split decision and then bottles the return

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Why couldn't Bute wait on Ward? Ward vs Bute is the fight we all want to see.

Big UPS to Froch. He lost the Super 6 final and already, ready to get back in the ring with the 1A of the super middleweight division. I guess we all know who Ward is going to fight. Anthony Dirrell. Although he have been hinting around a catchweight fight, Martinez.

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Ant - Ward wants Bute to earn his stripes before facing him because he thinks Bute hasn't faced the same level of stiff competition that Ward has. Ward wants an easier fight while Bute goes into the trenches against Froch whom Ward already decisively defeated. Ward will likely face Anthony Dirrell although I've heard mention that Anthony Dirrell and Andre Ward are advised by Al Haymon and Haymon fighters rarely face eachother. Any truth to that theory?

The article states that there are still issues of the two fight deal that need to be ironed out such as if the first fight is extremely one-sided. If Froch beats Bute badly or vice versa, there wouldn't be a rematch in Nottingham. The article also states that Showtime prefers Bute to face Hopkins at a catchweight of 170. In my opinion, Hopkins would be a bad career move for Bute even at 170 unless there were no other options. With Froch as a legitimate option and Kessler as another option after that, I don't see any advantages for a fight with Hopkins would present.

Froch may have lost to Ward, but he is twice the man. He really is. He will fight anyone and anywhere when all is said and done. Could the same be said for Ward? Not really.

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Froch may have lost to Ward, but he is twice the man. He really is. He will fight anyone and anywhere when all is said and done. Could the same be said for Ward? Not really.

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i honestly believe if ward and froch would have swapped schedules on the way to the final of the super six we would have a different champion now

people say froch lost to ward coz he is limited slow whatever, i dont agree, i think ward had all of the advantages outside the ring

thats why i worry about the bute fight, i think froch is better than bute, but bute is fresh, and fights all his fights in the same place infront of all his own fans, froch is going into the lions den again

All froch has to do is lose to bute and instantly be a hall of famer!!
If he wins then he will be an atg.
If you sign a contract u have to honor it just like the super six u can't get out without legit injury

Froch should be commended for his grit and willingness to face all challenges. There has been no one Froch has avoided. However, we can't ignore that Froch has lost to the two best fighters he faced, Ward and Kessler (close fight notwithstanding).

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Froch may have lost to Ward, but he is twice the man. He really is. He will fight anyone and anywhere when all is said and done. Could the same be said for Ward? Not really.

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Simply said, if that was the case with Ward, he would be facing Bute now.

Stoke for that fight, will go see it live for sure as it's in Montreal, 45 min away from my actual hometown. Personally, I think that Froch will take a beating as the fight progress but that should be a good scrap packed with action. Froch deserves respect for his will to fight the best abroad.












But not for his "poor" youth with his stolen bike :D

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Froch should be commended for his grit and willingness to face all challenges. There has been no one Froch has avoided. However, we can't ignore that Froch has lost to the two best fighters he faced, Ward and Kessler (close fight notwithstanding).

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He also lost to Dirrell, IMO. And would have lost to Taylor if not for the last-second KO.

On the other hand, Pascal is arguably better than Kessler.

But really, the point is that, while he has great heart and a great chin, Froch is not a great fighter, by a longshot. These jokers on here talking about HOF are full of it. Fighting the best is always admirable, but when you lose every time you step up, it means something. Does Rocky Juarez merit a HOF nod too?

I'm picking Bute by clear decision. Probably like 116-112. A KO wouldn't astound me but it would be pretty surprising, given Froch's beard.

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Froch should be commended for his grit and willingness to face all challenges. There has been no one Froch has avoided. However, we can't ignore that Froch has lost to the two best fighters he faced, Ward and Kessler (close fight notwithstanding).

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He also lost to Dirrell, IMO. And would have lost to Taylor if not for the last-second KO.

On the other hand, Pascal is arguably better than Kessler.

But really, the point is that, while he has great heart and a great chin, Froch is not a great fighter, by a longshot. These jokers on here talking about HOF are full of it. Fighting the best is always admirable, but when you lose every time you step up, it means something. Does Rocky Juarez merit a HOF nod too?

I'm picking Bute by clear decision. Probably like 116-112. A KO wouldn't astound me but it would be pretty surprising, given Froch's beard.

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No offense at all, but I hate the "would have lost but a last second KO" argument because stamina is an integral component of a champship fight because the fight is 12 rounds, not 10. Moreover, it is part of what makes a champion. It's why Mike Alvarado beat Breides Prescott recently. A champion should know how to conserve energy for the full 12 rounds or at the least run the last few rounds. Stamina and grit are part of what won Froch that fight and that shouldn't take anything away from the victory. Indeed, it's impressive that he maintained the will to win when he was down on the cards.

Yes, Taylor as up on the cards going into the 12th, but perhaps Taylor would not have won as many of the earlier rounds if he had paced himself more throughout the fight. In that fight, I had Froch winning the 10th and 11th, and I can tell you in the arena that night, where I viewed it, for Taylor fans like myself, there was a sense of impending doom as the fight moved into the last stanza.

I hear your point, Froch can be outboxed by faster opponents, like Taylor and Dirrell, and Bute is a faster opponent. Even if it's admirable he is willing to fight everyone out there, Froch is no HOF. He hasn't lost every time he stepped up because he beat Taylor and Pascal without any controversy. However, that means only twice out of five times, did Froch win when he stepped up. Not a winning percentage.

People go on about the taylor fight like froch won 0.001% of the fight?

Fact is Taylor looked great for about 4 rounds and Froch looked tense and off... After the knockdown he shook it off and his superior conditioning and relentlessness wore taylor down as the fight went on.

To call it a fluke is plain retarded.

I still think Froch is a 15 round fighter. 12 just seems to be too tight a schedule for him. He never seems to leave it all in the ring.

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Froch should be commended for his grit and willingness to face all challenges. There has been no one Froch has avoided. However, we can't ignore that Froch has lost to the two best fighters he faced, Ward and Kessler (close fight notwithstanding).

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He also lost to Dirrell, IMO. And would have lost to Taylor if not for the last-second KO.

On the other hand, Pascal is arguably better than Kessler.

But really, the point is that, while he has great heart and a great chin, Froch is not a great fighter, by a longshot. These jokers on here talking about HOF are full of it. Fighting the best is always admirable, but when you lose every time you step up, it means something. Does Rocky Juarez merit a HOF nod too?

I'm picking Bute by clear decision. Probably like 116-112. A KO wouldn't astound me but it would be pretty surprising, given Froch's beard.

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you cant really add it to the argument because it is your opinion, if you always went off that there would be a lot of very different records around

In a lot of peoples opinion Mayweather wouldnt currently still be undefeated for example

IMO the dirrell v froch display was the most negative by any boxer I have ever seen by a long way and Froch more than deserved the win, also IMO if froch v Kessler would have been anywhere else other than Denmark then Froch would have won

so IMO froch has only lost one fight and also IMO if ward hadnt have had such a "home comfort" ride to the final, with so many "fights off", the outcome of the super six may have been very different

so in reality froch has lost 2 fights, i dont think its fair to put it the way rantcatrat has tho, as in implying that as those are froch's 2 best opponents he must come unstuck at the very top. Both fights were in his opponents home country right in the middle of a very very difficult run of fights, one of the most difficult that there has every been, very few boxers would have stayed undefeated

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Froch should be commended for his grit and willingness to face all challenges. There has been no one Froch has avoided. However, we can't ignore that Froch has lost to the two best fighters he faced, Ward and Kessler (close fight notwithstanding).

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He also lost to Dirrell, IMO. And would have lost to Taylor if not for the last-second KO.

On the other hand, Pascal is arguably better than Kessler.

But really, the point is that, while he has great heart and a great chin, Froch is not a great fighter, by a longshot. These jokers on here talking about HOF are full of it. Fighting the best is always admirable, but when you lose every time you step up, it means something. Does Rocky Juarez merit a HOF nod too?

I'm picking Bute by clear decision. Probably like 116-112. A KO wouldn't astound me but it would be pretty surprising, given Froch's beard.

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you cant really add it to the argument because it is your opinion, if you always went off that there would be a lot of very different records around

In a lot of peoples opinion Mayweather wouldnt currently still be undefeated for example

IMO the dirrell v froch display was the most negative by any boxer I have ever seen by a long way and Froch more than deserved the win, also IMO if froch v Kessler would have been anywhere else other than Denmark then Froch would have won

so IMO froch has only lost one fight and also IMO if ward hadnt have had such a "home comfort" ride to the final, with so many "fights off", the outcome of the super six may have been very different

so in reality froch has lost 2 fights, i dont think its fair to put it the way rantcatrat has tho, as in implying that as those are froch's 2 best opponents he must come unstuck at the very top. Both fights were in his opponents home country right in the middle of a very very difficult run of fights, one of the most difficult that there has every been, very few boxers would have stayed undefeated

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So Froch has to lose a fight (on all three cards) in Nottingham before you'll concede that he's just not that great? What happened to just watching the guy and noticing all of his obvious flaws. He is very willful (that is a good thing, not a knock). But he is not a good technical boxer and doesn't have KO power (my mom could KO the post-Pavlik version of Taylor). And the results are as one would expect.

Shza

You missunderstood the point of my post

It is my opinion froch deserved the win against dirrell it is your opinion he didnt, what is most important is that the judges thought he didnt

Before Froch ,had his fight with Ward I did say Ward , would out box him and he did to be honest,it was easy to pick the winner,Ward. Yes Froch is game yes he is entertaining, but any one that's a bit faster than him beat's him.? Fact Froch is a limited fight he will not improve so don't look for Gold when you got a bit
Brass lad's;D

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Shza

You missunderstood the point of my post

It is my opinion froch deserved the win against dirrell it is your opinion he didnt, what is most important is that the judges thought he didnt

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Two of them. The other one thought Dirrell won.

But that's not what I was responding to. I was responding to your suggestion that Froch wouldn't have lost to Kessler or Ward if those fights hadn't been "in his opponents' home country." Froch loses to Ward 100 out of 100 fights, sorry. There is a clear difference in class.

Versus Kessler, who knows. I think they are both B+ fighters.

The Super 6 really did wonders for overrating the hell out of the SMW division. It was a mediocre division before and remains one now, outside of Ward and potentially Bute (we will see).

There is a song , that go's I can see clearly now the rain has gone,may be it was raining when he lost them 2 fight's or where 1 or 2 of you on:wackomz4:

Jeez Eric you don't half talk some drivel! If they had different routes, we'd be looking at a different champion by now? What on earth are you on about??

You're that typical Brit that probably thought if Hatton fought Mayweather with a different referee (preferably Ray Hatton), fought him in his backyard, where Floyd wasn't allowed to keep punching Ricky in the face and the ring was the size of a matchbox...Hatton would have won.

Ward was easily the best fighter in that tournament, let's give him his props here.

Simple facts about Froch :

is he a good fighter? Yes
is he a great fighter? No
Does he have a great chin, heart and exciting style? Yes
Does he fight anyone put in front of him even if it meant fighting Vitali Klitchsko? Yes
Does he have a better record than Calzaghe did with only having had just over half the fights? Yes

Froch is to be respected and is good for boxing but somebody hit the nail on the head with the losing everytime he steps up comment. He's not as great as he thinks he is BUT he has beaten some good fighters due to his stamina and punching power. He is a very limited boxer though. Fun to watch.

He may be able to wear Bute down late if he doesn't keep getting caught throughout the fight (which I doubt). Although he has a wonderful chin, I'm not of the opinion that Froch is Un-knockoutable.

It's a good fight.

Althugz, froch lost to ward and to kessler in a very clse fight in kesslers home town in the middle of a run of fighrs against several world class fighters, not really losing everytime he steps up.

If you think ward would still have the same record he has now if he had have fought the same schedule as froch then great, i on the other hand am more realistic

And shza, if you think froch getting to the final of the supersix means the whole of the smw division is rubbish, then thats cool too ;D

Froch doesnt have the punch output to beat Bute, thats the key to the fight. If he could summon up some Calzaghe punch output he would win but he wont (and who could?). With their respective skill sets and speed, Froch is outmatched, theres no way he can win bar the old adage of 'the punchers chance'.

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If you think ward would still have the same record he has now if he had have fought the same schedule as froch then great, i on the other hand am more realistic

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Who that Froch fought would have beaten Ward? Name names. The only options are Jermain Taylor, Glen Johnson, and Andre Dirrell. Ridiculous.

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If you think ward would still have the same record he has now if he had have fought the same schedule as froch then great, i on the other hand am more realistic

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Who that Froch fought would have beaten Ward? Name names. The only options are Jermain Taylor, Glen Johnson, and Andre Dirrell. Ridiculous.

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Ok, ward just had a big fight in his home country, now lets see him go to a champions home town and fight, then take dirrell at home, then to another top cass x champions home town and fight, then another away fight against an x champ, then glen johnson in a foreign country and then a massive fight in another champs home country

If he comes through that undefeated i will hold my hands up

what if either fight wins a one sided fight though or a stoppage? I dont understand this two fight deal thing, seems a bit shit to me. I also think its a bit shit how both of these fights or in the home towns of both fighters, making it more than likely for both fighter to get a win over each other. Which if they are both close fights would set up a third fight, so why dont they agree a three fight contract with the last fight on neutral ground lets say the states to make it properly fair? ;D

Seems a bit odd to me really, however I think it's a great fight that no doubt should happen. I personally would have prefered Bute to face Ward at first, and Froch fight Kessler in the UK. But I cant complain too much with this match up, its good seeing the best fight the best and this is what needs to happen in all weight classes.

Will be a tough close fight for both men. Going off Froch's last performance hes shown he can be outboxed against someone with great speed and ringcraft. However I dont think Bute is as good as Ward and this will make it a closer fight. Bute hasn't been in with a fighter on the level of Froch and that is a good thing for Froch. Froch at the higher level does have a lot more experience than Bute. I just feel Froch needs to start a bit quicker in this fight and I give him a great chance of beating Bute, especially in the second fight In nottingham.

I think Bute will want to engage a lot more than Ward did, I dont see Bute being able to do a lot of the old schools skills Ward did which got Froch off his game. He found it hard to inside because he was constantly being tied up or to give ward a lot of credit he truely did control the inside fighting which was i was quite surprised about to be honest. Bute has also shown that he can tire at the end and that will surely play in Froch's favour. However Bute is a good fighter and no doubt he will have the ability to box Froch and take rounds. I just dont feel he will be as commanding as ward though and this is why it will be a close fight either way.

If Froch can't stop Bute in the first fight then I can see him losing a close points decision and for the second fight if Bute can't stop Froch I can see him losing a close points decision. we will see anyway, good fight to happen though. I hope Froch can put in a big performance on foreign soil like after his first loss to Kessler against Abraham. He will be right up there again if he does.