Re: Pac vs cotto 2 - june 9
The first fight was one sided and I don't think Cotto has done all that much since the Pac loss. I don't think he deserves a rematch and Cotto has been fighting at JMW since and I can't see Manny accommodating him and moving up. I don't see the point.
Re: Pac vs cotto 2 - june 9
- You certainly can't call this a good fight on paper, but it's not crap either. Imo aside from Mayweather or Marquez, Cotto is the only fighter with the tools to beat Manny or even give him much of a scrap. It's a matter of whether he can really apply anything differently this time and avoid getting tagged early, and I do think he can draw confidence from Pacquiaos scrape against Marquez. Physically at least, I don't think JMM has an edge over Cotto aside from his jaw, and with the right game plan Cotto could potentially run this really close.
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Why does he need 6 months to get ready for a fight against a guy he's already dominated?!
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I guess this will be further proof for some people here that Mayweather is ducking Pac ;D
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I highly doubt this fight will happen.
Re: Pac vs cotto 2 - june 9
One thing that really annoys me about this.
In the other threads tracking the adventures of Floyd and Pac, there were certain people claiming that Floyd didn't really want the fight and that him calling out Pac was just a bluff. I find it interesting to briefly summarize the most recent events leading to this thread here.
-After a less than impressive "victory" over Marquez, Pac's team does not seem to be even thinking about Floyd as the next match. Instead they are considering a 4th fight with Marquez
-correct me if I'm wrong but I think Floyd was showing interest at this point in fighting Pac, but then as we all know, Floyd was sentenced to a prison term. There was much speculation about whether Floyd could serve the time and still prepare to fight Pac.
-Meanwhile, Team Pac was looking for a fight in May, correct?
-Floyd's prison term is pushed back, likely so that the fight can take place
-Pac's team says a cut will keep Pac from fighting in May
-Floyd calls out Pac over twitter. Certain people here claimed that it was invalid and that Floyd did not really want the fight
-Pac "accepts" Floyds demands but the articals released blame Floyd for being the one who doesnt have everything lined up and ready to go... then some excuses are thrown around the the fight Venue is too small.
-And that bring us to this thread here: Pac fighting Cotto. WTF???
Does anyone have anything at all to say about this? Whether or not the fight would be interesting is sort of irrelevant. Why are they even making this fight?
If it was Pac's intent to fight in June all along then they could have stated that a long time ago and Floyd very likely could have taken the fight had his prison term not been pushed back.
This is pure BS if this fight happens. :mad:
Re: Pac vs cotto 2 - june 9
Hey, some would argue Manny looked aged and that he lost his last fight...maybe it's him who needs the 'soft' touch of a rebound fight. Though regardless of first meet I don't think Cotto is ever a soft touch or a safe bet. Who's optional? Khan, nah he just lost and has unfinished business with um Peterson. Bradley would be ideal no doubt, he's taking major flack from critics on all fronts and all he's done is win & win and been a professional. I see he and Pac more and more as somewhat of a crossroads fight as Manny is not exactly fresh off the teet at this stage. Marquez deserves and is probally burning up for yet another match but jeezus, I'm pretty certain I've already watched him beat Pac twice in my own opinion and I almost think he just needs to leave that chapter and end on a defining note. Thought of him having any doubt go to Manny again kills, he'll always have linger of Manny but fans know what they saw. Maybe I'm off but just not clamoring for a forth. Actually I'd much rather see he and Bradley go at
it. Style wise that is a fantastic fight. Mayweather just needs to go to jail. This fight/non fight will be hashed out for decades. IF it should come off great, but I think we've all wasted too much time on it. Blame Manny and Arum for dollar and centing it to death, blame Floyd for ducking out of sport for so long and getting into nonsense with law after knocking out his soft touch in Ortiz. Lots of blame to go around.
Re: Pac vs cotto 2 - june 9
More bullshit match making from Bob sucking the life out of boxing Arum, there is no way we will see any difference in the outcome of this fight from the first.Pac man needs to leave Arum if he wants to fight pretty boy Floyd, otherwise it could be Margarito 11 next :rolleyes:
Re: Pac vs cotto 2 - june 9
If this fight happens, I can say with complete certainty that I will not be tuning in.
Bah humbug.
Re: Pac vs cotto 2 - june 9
Pac needs to grow some balls and tell his dad Arum to make the Floyd fight. This is some BS.
No disrespect to Cotto he's a good fighter and is in it for the money. He's not the one to beat Pac, the style is all wrong.
Re: Pac vs cotto 2 - june 9
Horrible, meaningless fight.
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ninjaspy, logic leaves people when they are blinded by either too much hate for a fighter or too much love. Floyd's in a no-win..he has many haters and Pac has too many nuthuggers. 90% of the boxing world will put blame on Floyd no matter what for these exact reasons.
95% of the boxing world blame floyd because its easy too.
Floyd agreed to bob and pacs pathethic terms of 10 million penalty for every pound over welterweight limit. Pac didnt agree for both fighters to be tested to clean up the sport.
Now he finally agrees bob dont want the fight and never has!
Cotto is a good fighter but these is yet another punk move that the pacturds will love cause they know nothing about boxing but just want to ensure the purity of a beaten fighter with many losses and a corrupt promoter.
Mannys not only ducking floyd... Hes ducking the true mexican warrior p4p no.2 mr. marquez
The drug test crap was a way for floyd to avoid Pac and the 10 million penalty crap was a way for Pac to avoid him. They both did not want the fight. When Mayweather saw Pacs performance against Marquez his balls grew considerably and does not think he will lose. Why else would he suddenly just give up on the extra tests. The only other reason would be his prison sentence. But he has waited three years for a fight with Pac, what is another three months.
As far as Pac goes. I dont get how he can avoid this call out by Mayweather. He should agree to a fight but on a date they both choose.
He looks now like he is avoiding him with this pointless Cotto rematch. Cotto will do better this time around but will still lose.
As far as Marquez goes. He won that last fight against Pac. Would rather see him against Mayweather again and see if he does better now he has been at the weight for a while.
Re: Pac vs cotto 2 - june 9
i like this fight
depending on the weight they are fighting at
i havent read all the shit, what weight are they fighting at?
Re: Pac vs cotto 2 - june 9
IMO Cotto and Marquez are the most deserving outside of Mayweather, Bradley hasn't really done too much to get the shot and Peterson much less, IMO Cotto would surprise a lot of people on here in a rematch, he's in a good place mentally, actually has a corner now (and a damn good one at that) and he's boxing more now than he has in a long time, he hasn't really taken punishment since the Pacquiao fight and the fight would be at 154, hell even Rafael was picking Cotto as the best choice of the 4 (only barring Marquez cause although he was robbed in all 3 what's the point anymore?)
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Boxing scene already confirmed pac will not fight cotto above 147.
Arum is not risking pac having anither performance like the marquez one.
Manny will avoid mayweather and marquez like bad breath.
To hell with it. Im going to say it since no one else will. :cool:
Pac is ducking Floyd! Ha!
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I highly doubt this fight will happen.
Ditto, and since I really like both pugs and see no need for a rematch, i'd rather they fight someone else.
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i placed more blame on Floyd than Pac and Arum previously for this fight not taking place. This time I'm blaming Arum and Pac. Floyd got around to pushing for the fight (or at the least posturing for it) and Arum's responses have all been see through excuses. He doesn't even want to try to make the fight.
If Arum tried to make the fight and it didn't work out I wouldn't begrudge him, but I have a hard time believing a guy with so many excuses is willing to even make a good faith effort. Screw Arum.
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i placed more blame on Floyd than Pac and Arum previously for this fight not taking place. This time I'm blaming Arum and Pac. Floyd got around to pushing for the fight (or at the least posturing for it) and Arum's responses have all been see through excuses. He doesn't even want to try to make the fight.
If Arum tried to make the fight and it didn't work out I wouldn't begrudge him, but I have a hard time believing a guy with so many excuses is willing to even make a good faith effort. Screw Arum.
Fucking Lawyers, can't trust 'um. :rolleyes:
Re: Pac vs cotto 2 - june 9
Call me crazy but I think at 150 or above Cotto outboxes Manny to a decision.
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ninjaspy, logic leaves people when they are blinded by either too much hate for a fighter or too much love. Floyd's in a no-win..he has many haters and Pac has too many nuthuggers. 90% of the boxing world will put blame on Floyd no matter what for these exact reasons.
95% of the boxing world blame floyd because its easy too.
Floyd agreed to bob and pacs pathethic terms of 10 million penalty for every pound over welterweight limit. Pac didnt agree for both fighters to be tested to clean up the sport.
Now he finally agrees bob dont want the fight and never has!
Cotto is a good fighter but these is yet another punk move that the pacturds will love cause they know nothing about boxing but just want to ensure the purity of a beaten fighter with many losses and a corrupt promoter.
Mannys not only ducking floyd... Hes ducking the true mexican warrior p4p no.2 mr. marquez
Alt & Imp - are you two crazy? I believe you two live in your own universe. The boxing world is easily pro-Floyd; the casual boxing world is pro-Floyd too. Think about it. It's been well-documented that Floyd is a racist. Not only to Asians and white people, but to his own people. He has more than once called Emmanual Stewart an Uncle Tom. It is also well-documented that he has beat a woman in front of his son! The man publicly burned money right smack in the middle of the worst recession the US has had since the Great Depression. Additionally, he's a confirmed homophobe and called his father a "faggot" on national television. This is a guy who has given the public has ever reason to boycott. He's up there with the worst role models of all professional sports. So, it's frankly unebelievable that Pretty Boy is as popular as he is. The boxing world - ask Andre Dirrell, Steve Cunningham, Andre Ward, Peter Quillin, Bernard Hopkins, Tavoris Cloud or other highly ranked american boxers who they side with when it comes to Pacquiao-Mayweather. It's unanimous - Mayweather.
Imp - you do realize that Bob Arum was Floyd's promoter until 2007, right? If it's all smoke and mirrors for Manny Pacquiao, what was it for Floyd until 2007? Don't pick and choose. Be fair. Bob Arum has been in the game since before you were born; don't think he suddenly changed styles when he found Manny. Who advises Floyd now? None other than Al Haymon. I'll let that speak for itself. If there a genius with smoke and mirrors, it's Al Haymon.
Imp & Alt, I hate the term, but you and Alt are "haters," plain and simple. It's one thing to be critical of fighters, that's why we are boxing fans, and it's our right, but you two my friends, are "haters."
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Now when it comes to Cotto/Marquez v. Pacquiao, I prefer Bradley or Peterson. Bradley sits atop the throne at 140, so it makes more sense if it was him, but Peterson is suddenly pretty marketable with his win over Khan. It's not that Cotto is a bad fight per se (he is the top ranked junior middleweight) but we've already seen it and I don't see the second fight going any different.
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It really makes me laugh when people say Floyd never wanted any part of Pacquiao..what would he be afraid of? Making the most money he's ever made? Pacquiao in the Marquez fight didn't show Floyd anything that Floyd didn't already know...that a smart counter puncher will give Pacquiao fits.
The whole negotiation saga in 2009 was them both being diva's trying to show the other who is boss with their demands. Nothing more, nothing less. If Pac agreed to the tests we would have had a fight. Do I blame him? Yes and no but my point is neither of these guys are afraid of each other. This fight hasn't happened either because of their ego's or simply Bob Arum. I really don't see how somebody can see it any other way. It's glaringly obvious
Fear of a person is not the problem. Nore is fear of getting hurt. The fear they both have is losing there status. Pacs past three performances have been sh*t where as Mayweathers have been brilliant. Now Pac pretty much looses to a man Floyd beat easily. You dont think this has anything to do with his sudden spout of bravery. It was only a little while ago when Floyd said he did not need to fight Pac. What happened to all that talk.
And why is Pac not accepting this challenge. He is still afraid of losing his status.
The fight would have been alot more competitive a couple of years ago. Im going for mayweather to win an easy decision now.
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If Pac vs Mayweather ever happens it will be around November. Its ridiculous for Mayweather to expect Pacquiao to drop everything and adjust just for him. Let Floyd fight in May and Pac in June. Floyd goes to jail gets out and they fight around November or December.
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Now when it comes to Cotto/Marquez v. Pacquiao, I prefer Bradley or Peterson. Bradley sits atop the throne at 140, so it makes more sense if it was him, but Peterson is suddenly pretty marketable with his win over Khan. It's not that Cotto is a bad fight per se (he is the top ranked junior middleweight) but we've already seen it and I don't see the second fight going any different.
Yeah thats right peterson and pac..cant wait! Lol.
You on the top rank payroll?
You have your opinion. I have mine. Im no hater but i know what i see and the bottom line is manny needs floyd before he retires. I dont care about bob arum and dont assume you know my age and how we should all kiss bobs arse because hes been doing his job before we all were born! (check his past corrupt credentials on goggle)
You must give floyd props for leaving bob and doing his own thing in the prime of his career and still breaking records.
Why do you presume I'm a Manny Pacquiao fan or a Top Rank fan? I'm objective. I've documented my favorite fighters many times on Saddo and Manny Pacquiao does not appear on my list. Check my posts. Manny Pacquiao has done incredible things. He's a sure-shot HOF. Floyd has done incredible things as a boxer and he's a sure-shot HOF. Floyd happens to be a despicable human being outside of boxing so it's tough for me to root for him, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate what he does in the ring. Please understand that the risk/reward concept is nothing new. Both the Floyd team and the Manny team utilize it in choosing opponents. That is all.
Actually, Lamont Peterson and Timothy Bradley aren't bad choices at all for Manny's next fight if Floyd doesn't happen. For the record, I've said all along that Floyd beats Manny and I said it prior to Marquez 3. Styles make fights. I also said that Mayweather would have an easier time with Ortiz than Manny would with Marquez the third time. It's a styles thing.
The main reason I want Floyd/Manny--I don't believe the fight will be very competitive--is that so boxing fans like you who only tune in for the Floyd/Manny dialogue can move on. :o
