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Much better choice IMO. I'll pay to watch this. Cotto vs PAC will be a next day dl for me
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Bradley is best bet on the line | Sun.Star
Much better choice IMO. I'll pay to watch this. Cotto vs PAC will be a next day dl for me
Roach also wants the Floyd fight but that isn't happening. If its not Mayweather then I'm not buying it, even if it is I'm still not buying it anymore.
I think the pac vs may is a power struggle. PAC wants to control the date and venue while Floyd is also trying to do the same. I think it is a mind game. What a waste.
Pacquio Bradley is a decent matchup.
I see no point whatsoever in Cotto Manny 2. The first fight was as one sided as a championship fight can be so why a rematch I have no idea.
I'd rather Manny fought Victor Ortiz than Cotto, at least it would be something we hadn't seen.
If he fights Cotto it sends out the message that he feels he's gone as far as he can in the sport now and just wants a couple more safe fights to make some money before he goes into politics.
There are so many interesting matchups out there, Bradley, Ortiz, Berto, Rios, Guerrero that would all be more interesting fights than Cotto.
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Originally Posted by Manos de Piedra
It seriously doesnt look like Roach wants Floyd. Where did you see evidence of that?
I wouldn't buy Pac vs Bradley, but i'd like to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de Piedra
Pac should fight the winner of Ortiz vs Berto II
First they want Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012
Now they want Bradly.
Meanwhile we are discussing Pac fighting the Ortiz vs Berto II winner...., etc
Are there or where there even negotiations underway for Pac vs Floyd?
What happened? Why is there no news about that Pac fighting X, Y, and Z like some kind of consolation prize?
If there is no Mayweather fight then I would like to see this fight. You can never turn down a fight between two undefeated fighters. Bradley has some good names under his belt and is no push over. And with the way Pac has been in his last few fights who knows. Saying that Bradley didnt look that great in his last fight. I giong to say points win for Pac.
i think the reason they want Bradly would be because Mayweather just fought a young fighter in or nearing his prime. So it makes sense that Team Pacquiao would like to talk on a younger hungrier opponent in their next fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3First they want Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012
Now they want Bradly.
Meanwhile we are discussing Pac fighting the Ortiz vs Berto II winner...., etc
Are there or where there even negotiations underway for Pac vs Floyd?
What happened? Why is there no news about that Pac fighting X, Y, and Z like some kind of consolation prize?
I hope you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012i think the reason they want Bradly would be because Mayweather just fought a young fighter in or nearing his prime. So it makes sense that Team Pacquiao would like to talk on a younger hungrier opponent in their next fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3First they want Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012
Now they want Bradly.
Meanwhile we are discussing Pac fighting the Ortiz vs Berto II winner...., etc
Are there or where there even negotiations underway for Pac vs Floyd?
What happened? Why is there no news about that Pac fighting X, Y, and Z like some kind of consolation prize?
Me too. I wouldn't want to see Pacquiao vs Cotto 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by PavlikI hope you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012i think the reason they want Bradly would be because Mayweather just fought a young fighter in or nearing his prime. So it makes sense that Team Pacquiao would like to talk on a younger hungrier opponent in their next fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3First they want Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012
Now they want Bradly.
Meanwhile we are discussing Pac fighting the Ortiz vs Berto II winner...., etc
Are there or where there even negotiations underway for Pac vs Floyd?
What happened? Why is there no news about that Pac fighting X, Y, and Z like some kind of consolation prize?
It'll be a dark day for me regardless of the winner if ever it happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012Me too. I wouldn't want to see Pacquiao vs Cotto 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by PavlikI hope you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012i think the reason they want Bradly would be because Mayweather just fought a young fighter in or nearing his prime. So it makes sense that Team Pacquiao would like to talk on a younger hungrier opponent in their next fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3First they want Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012
Now they want Bradly.
Meanwhile we are discussing Pac fighting the Ortiz vs Berto II winner...., etc
Are there or where there even negotiations underway for Pac vs Floyd?
What happened? Why is there no news about that Pac fighting X, Y, and Z like some kind of consolation prize?
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Originally Posted by Leighton
Pac is not undefeated.
Anyway on ESPN, Freddie Roach today said that Lamont Peterson is his number 1 choice, then Bradley???
IMO people are underselling Cotto big time, IMO if he's given another shot he's going to surprise a hell of a lot of people, IMO the two front runners for the fight should be Marquez and Cotto, obviously Mayweather should be a priority but we know that's not gonna happen
Anyway on ESPN, Freddie Roach today said that Lamont Peterson is his number 1 choice, then Bradley???[/QUOTE]
For Pacquiao? Where did you read that?
Freddie Roach pushing hard for Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather fight - ESPNQuote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de Piedra
It seriously doesnt look like Roach wants Floyd. Where did you see evidence of that?
Bradley will get massacred.
I completely disagree. I like Pacquiao in the fight, but Bradley is undefeated and matches Pacquiao in charisma and energy. He isn't defensive boxer like Marquez, but he is rough and ambushes well.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
GO on espn... Or type in his name on google.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de Piedra
It seriously doesnt look like Roach wants Floyd. Where did you see evidence of that?
And that's why he will get ktfo Hatton style, or his face will turn to a hamburger like Margo. Those are two main scenarios that l'm expecting in this fight if it does happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI completely disagree. I like Pacquiao in the fight, but Bradley is undefeated and matches Pacquiao in charisma and energy. He isn't defensive boxer like Marquez, but he is rough and ambushes well.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
I think people don't realize how close Pacquiao-Cotto was early on, sure it turned into a land slide, but have Cotto land a few more body shots, and have Pacquiao maybe not quite connect the way he did, especially in the fourth round and it could have been a very different fight. I remember being there and thinking, Manny might be in big trouble, then he got that second knock down and it really changed the fight. IMO Pacquiao has become a better fighter, but a little less wild, and like against Marquez, maybe at little less willing to land those big counters at any expense. Him being smarter has a lot of advantages, but it also has it's draw backs against a guy who really gave him a lot of trouble early tactically. I've heard that Cotto had a lot of problems with his right shoulder, and that they are vastly improved since when he fought Pacquiao, and that was another thing he hardly used, and with very little tenacity. It seems like Cotto has learned a few little tactics based on the second Margarito fight to slow the pace a little bit, and maybe no take punches quite as forcefully as he once did. He knows how to step back a little more efficiently.
Bradley isn't a defensive fighter like Marquez? He is far better defensively than Marquez. Far quicker, and much better instincts and head movement. Watch his fights, he is actually extremely hard to hit cleanly, only Holt did it with any regularity. IMO Bradley is right up there defensively with the best guys in the sport, especially considering how busy he is in there. To the lamen boxing fan, he looks wild and reckless, but watch how he keeps his head always moving and more importantly he always keeps his feet beneath him. That means his head is moving, but also his body is moving so his opponent is trying to connect with two distances moving simultaneously. He's doesn't come through his punches the way Manny does, but he is in better balance and has better technique footwork wise. He doesn't hop in and out the same way. He is in great shape, and considering how much he is constantly moving he has a tremendous output like Pacquiao. Their work rate isn't just in the punches they throw. Its the relentlessness and consistency of everything they do in the ring. Throwing a lot of punches ala Margarito with no head movement and not a whole lot of steam(at least on the outside) on your punches isn't the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI completely disagree. I like Pacquiao in the fight, but Bradley is undefeated and matches Pacquiao in charisma and energy. He isn't defensive boxer like Marquez, but he is rough and ambushes well.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
Marquez is a pretty bad defender, that's different than counter puncher. He is good at letting a guy land a less powerful blow to land a far more telling blow in return, but he moves his head, but with his so low he's easy to hit. Watch his fights against Katsidis or Juan Diaz. As he's gotten older and his legs can't move like they once did, you see he doesn't have defensive nuances. The one thing that made him hard for manny to hit is that he caught on the fact that Manny uses angles, but he always comes right down the middle if you don't follow him stupidly instead of cutting the ring off. Marquez used not so difficult footwork to keep Manny from using his footspeed and angles simply by having a better knowledge of angles. he rotated on one spot while Manny tried running all over the ring to get the right angle to come in. You put Marquez against Lamont Peterson, Holt, etc he may win, but he gets hit a whole lot in the process. It would be a matter of if he could land enough to hurt guys that aren't as tough mentally as him. There is a reason Mayweather landed at 60% against him, he has almost no defense against a smart fighter, but he is sharp and quick which is why Floyd couldn't really step up his offense the way he against Gatti, Ortiz, Mosley etc. Against Bradley, Floyd would have to beat him the same way he did Mosley, but it would require a lot more fluidity on his part, and Bradley would push him in a lot of ways that nobody else would because, Bradley moves more like Mayweather and Hopkins than anyone else in the sport does.
I didn't mean to imply that he isn't as good of a defensive fighter as Marquez just that he is different than Marquez. Bradley is one of my favorite fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethBradley isn't a defensive fighter like Marquez? He is far better defensively than Marquez. Far quicker, and much better instincts and head movement. Watch his fights, he is actually extremely hard to hit cleanly, only Holt did it with any regularity. IMO Bradley is right up there defensively with the best guys in the sport, especially considering how busy he is in there. To the lamen boxing fan, he looks wild and reckless, but watch how he keeps his head always moving and more importantly he always keeps his feet beneath him. That means his head is moving, but also his body is moving so his opponent is trying to connect with two distances moving simultaneously. He's doesn't come through his punches the way Manny does, but he is in better balance and has better technique footwork wise. He doesn't hop in and out the same way. He is in great shape, and considering how much he is constantly moving he has a tremendous output like Pacquiao. Their work rate isn't just in the punches they throw. Its the relentlessness and consistency of everything they do in the ring. Throwing a lot of punches ala Margarito with no head movement and not a whole lot of steam(at least on the outside) on your punches isn't the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI completely disagree. I like Pacquiao in the fight, but Bradley is undefeated and matches Pacquiao in charisma and energy. He isn't defensive boxer like Marquez, but he is rough and ambushes well.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
Marquez is a pretty bad defender, that's different than counter puncher. He is good at letting a guy land a less powerful blow to land a far more telling blow in return, but he moves his head, but with his so low he's easy to hit. Watch his fights against Katsidis or Juan Diaz. As he's gotten older and his legs can't move like they once did, you see he doesn't have defensive nuances. The one thing that made him hard for manny to hit is that he caught on the fact that Manny uses angles, but he always comes right down the middle if you don't follow him stupidly instead of cutting the ring off. Marquez used not so difficult footwork to keep Manny from using his footspeed and angles simply by having a better knowledge of angles. he rotated on one spot while Manny tried running all over the ring to get the right angle to come in. You put Marquez against Lamont Peterson, Holt, etc he may win, but he gets hit a whole lot in the process. It would be a matter of if he could land enough to hurt guys that aren't as tough mentally as him. There is a reason Mayweather landed at 60% against him, he has almost no defense against a smart fighter, but he is sharp and quick which is why Floyd couldn't really step up his offense the way he against Gatti, Ortiz, Mosley etc. Against Bradley, Floyd would have to beat him the same way he did Mosley, but it would require a lot more fluidity on his part, and Bradley would push him in a lot of ways that nobody else would because, Bradley moves more like Mayweather and Hopkins than anyone else in the sport does.
Pacquiao v. Bradley - who wins?
Pacquiao wins via KO or TKO 8Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI didn't mean to imply that he isn't as good of a defensive fighter as Marquez just that he is different than Marquez. Bradley is one of my favorite fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethBradley isn't a defensive fighter like Marquez? He is far better defensively than Marquez. Far quicker, and much better instincts and head movement. Watch his fights, he is actually extremely hard to hit cleanly, only Holt did it with any regularity. IMO Bradley is right up there defensively with the best guys in the sport, especially considering how busy he is in there. To the lamen boxing fan, he looks wild and reckless, but watch how he keeps his head always moving and more importantly he always keeps his feet beneath him. That means his head is moving, but also his body is moving so his opponent is trying to connect with two distances moving simultaneously. He's doesn't come through his punches the way Manny does, but he is in better balance and has better technique footwork wise. He doesn't hop in and out the same way. He is in great shape, and considering how much he is constantly moving he has a tremendous output like Pacquiao. Their work rate isn't just in the punches they throw. Its the relentlessness and consistency of everything they do in the ring. Throwing a lot of punches ala Margarito with no head movement and not a whole lot of steam(at least on the outside) on your punches isn't the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI completely disagree. I like Pacquiao in the fight, but Bradley is undefeated and matches Pacquiao in charisma and energy. He isn't defensive boxer like Marquez, but he is rough and ambushes well.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
Marquez is a pretty bad defender, that's different than counter puncher. He is good at letting a guy land a less powerful blow to land a far more telling blow in return, but he moves his head, but with his so low he's easy to hit. Watch his fights against Katsidis or Juan Diaz. As he's gotten older and his legs can't move like they once did, you see he doesn't have defensive nuances. The one thing that made him hard for manny to hit is that he caught on the fact that Manny uses angles, but he always comes right down the middle if you don't follow him stupidly instead of cutting the ring off. Marquez used not so difficult footwork to keep Manny from using his footspeed and angles simply by having a better knowledge of angles. he rotated on one spot while Manny tried running all over the ring to get the right angle to come in. You put Marquez against Lamont Peterson, Holt, etc he may win, but he gets hit a whole lot in the process. It would be a matter of if he could land enough to hurt guys that aren't as tough mentally as him. There is a reason Mayweather landed at 60% against him, he has almost no defense against a smart fighter, but he is sharp and quick which is why Floyd couldn't really step up his offense the way he against Gatti, Ortiz, Mosley etc. Against Bradley, Floyd would have to beat him the same way he did Mosley, but it would require a lot more fluidity on his part, and Bradley would push him in a lot of ways that nobody else would because, Bradley moves more like Mayweather and Hopkins than anyone else in the sport does.
Pacquiao v. Bradley - who wins?
I think it's silly to think Manny would catch Bradley with something that would stop him. I honestly think Bradley at least finishes seeing how hard it is to hit him cleanly, and he has a good chin. I know he got hurt against Holt, but look at that combination he hit Bradley with, there aren't a whole lot of guys that would survive that combinations, Bradley on that rare occasion was hit blind. Pacquiao being southpaw, and a different build/style than Holt wouldn't get those kind of opportunities.
I felt Pacquiao beat Marquez, it was a competitive fight, but in terms of rounds IMO he landed more and harder shots even if Marquez landed shots where PAcquiao was more out of position. Manny transfers so much energy into his punches that nobody is likely to out hit him, and I think Bradley could easily give Manny the same difficulties MArquez did, but even harder to hit, that being said he doesn't hit as hard as Marquez nor is he as offensively skilled, so I think he could lose a fight where his punches aren't as dynamic as Manny's. But I could also see him outboxing Manny(less likely).