All I'm seeing on google is bute wants froch with or without a tv deal?
Does he think froch is old and finished now??
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All I'm seeing on google is bute wants froch with or without a tv deal?
Does he think froch is old and finished now??
Well, if he fought GJ who lost to Froch, along with being older than him, then that can't possibly be his reasoning.
Win or lose Froch will take Bute to hell and back!!!
Job biscuit (hope this happens)!!!
eh eh!!!
All I can see Froch being out boxed Again, yes he get's beat for a 3rd time o yes I forgot I told you so.;D
:mad: Froch wins this, but it doesn't look like the fight will happen. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
You lot think I am being harsh on your man, but I am not over the many year's I have watched and been
involved with boxing.Froch is no great champion you only have to be that little bit faster than him, and you beat him, he's been beaten twice and Bute will beat him as well.
Sorry just a one trick pony.!;D
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Originally Posted by Dia bando
Up yours dickweed...Froch is the business...win or lose Bute will wish he never asked to fight The Cobra...Bute is overrated and has never fought anyone in Froch's class....Everyone knows Bute will win a dodgy home decision
job biscuit (moron)!!!
eh eh!!!
Hmm personally, I don't think Froch will win this fight. He have trouble with a lot of his latest opponent and except maybe Ward, none of those can beat Bute. His defense is lacking and Bute efficient long-range boxing style will crush in in the middles rounds.
On the other hand, sure Bute will be a lot easier to hit than Ward, but it's not like he'll fall after one or two big shot. Bute faced many good hitter before but they all get crushed when they found out they took 5-10 big shot only to place a good one (Except maybe Andrade in their first fight).
I like Froch , he is dedicated,strong as hell,a huge will to win,and also been in some really entertaining fights,but he cant beat Bute,Froch just has not got what you need to beat the top top guys,and believe me , Bute is top draw,Froch,s downfall is obvious to any boxing fan, slow hands, slower feet , and he gets hit way to much,but what i think is his worse trait is his inside fighting which is where he loses hands down against Bute.
Before the Ward fight I thought Froch vs Bute was a future 50/50 match win or lose against Ward, but the Ward fight showed Froch to look slow, no plan b. His style is catching up with him along with the demanding schedule and tough fights. I'm a big Froch fan, he ducks no one but that style of his was never going to bring longevity, even at domestic level the disadvantages to having his hands so low were glaringly obvious.
He is too old to change his style now and his reflexes and speed is diminishing.
Froch has a chance of beating Bute of course but I say Bute starts favourite. Froch has been in the trenches and come out on top, that could be his last saving grace.
Bute does what Ward and Kessler couldn't, he stops Froch before the 10th
That's pretty much now it,ll unfold.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Beside, the match is hard ot make because:
1) Ward said Bute doesn't deserve him and wants no piece of him at all.
2) Showtime wants an american opponent for Bute BUT Ward is not interested. Who does remain? Dirrell who did lost against Froch? Hopkins who fights at 175?
Words here are that with or without showtimes, Bute wants Froch and did agree to a revenge in Nottingham would Froch lose against him (which is quite fair IMO).
I some how dont think Bute would stand a chance against Ward. Ward is quite an impressive boxer. Good speed and stamina. He has a reasonably good jaw. Even at his age he has faced much better opposition than Bute.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessThat's pretty much now it,ll unfold.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Beside, the match is hard ot make because:
1) Ward said Bute doesn't deserve him and wants no piece of him at all.
2) Showtime wants an american opponent for Bute BUT Ward is not interested. Who does remain? Dirrell who did lost against Froch? Hopkins who fights at 175?
Words here are that with or without showtimes, Bute wants Froch and did agree to a revenge in Nottingham would Froch lose against him (which is quite fair IMO).
As far a Direll losing against Froch. I think Froch was lucky to go away with the win. Hopkins would be a challenge for any one.
I think Froch gives Bute a helluva fight. Froch will give anyone a tough fight, especially a untested fighter like Bute. If it goes to decision there is no way he gets a decision on Canada. I'm not completely sold on Bute yet. He has looked good but hasn't fought any of the top tier guys yet so I will wait til he does to see how he really is.
I'm on record as liking Froch. I like him against just about anyone but Ward. He beats Bute........FACT
I agree with you on your point's, I do feel some that worship at the alter of Froch, can't take any criticise em about there man.I am afraid you are like Froch, predictable a one trick pony.;DQuote:
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Jackass;DQuote:
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Froch ,:allhail: JackassQuote:
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Nut sackQuote:
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Ask your mother to clean your x box little boy.Quote:
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Boxing fan's in general ,have there favourite fighter's which is fine but 1 or2 Froch fan's seem to think
there fighter should not have any criticise em. Fact's your fighter never won the super six, he was and never will be Undefeated as he has lost on 2 occasion's. On many occasion I have said he is a limited
fighter,in truth he is tough SOB entertaining yes.
Is he a great fighter no a good one yes get the rose tinted glasses off lads.!;)
Are you still here!!
Christ your like an enoying fly
Hush your self
It appears Froch wants a homecoming fight before facing Bute. WBN - World Boxing News: Froch: Bute won’t be next - UK fight first, then world title assault
I feel bad for Bute, he just can't land a big fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
He might have to fight Dirrell and, IMO, that is the worst style match-up for him out of everyone in the Super 6 barring Ward.
Ibf stands for "I be fake"
He doesnt really deserve a good fighter and in Canada.
People seem to like him because the way he moves and cox he has a neat haircut.
To be honest I don't think he's really proven.
Bute wants Froch because he don't want any parts of NEO.
Dirrell needs to see Andre Ward. That's it. He can lay claims to wanting a fight with any of the other big names, but the way their S6 fight suspiciously fell through left a bitter distaste in a lot of people's mouths. because it appeared he avoided a tough match. Maybe this is when Bute steps up and fights Jean Pascal at a catchweight while he waits for Carl Froch?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ant Live
I get bored of threads about froch
you get one side of people who realise how good he is and how much he has done in the sport and for the sport over the last few years
and the other side who only ever go on about how limited he is and how easy to hit is
honestly people, i wish i was that limited to fight 5 or 6 world class fights on the run on the road and only lose 2, one of them being a very very close contentious decision in Denmark, and his opponents home town
and bute is desperate for froch because he thinks he will go to canada and that its his chance to fight a big name in his home town in front of his fans
he wont be so excited about the fight if froch demands it in england
That was the whole point of the two-fight deal: to give each guy a chance to win in their hometown. If Bute really wants a Froch fight, he should consider doing the first fight in Nottingham and the second fight in Montreal.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Erics, do you think Groves is ready for Bute or Froch?
exactly, and it wont happen, i cant see even if they sign a 2 fight deal they will have 2 fightsQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThat was the whole point of the two-fight deal: to give each guy a chance to win in their hometown. If Bute really wants a Froch fight, he should consider doing the first fight in Nottingham and the second fight in Montreal.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Erics, do you think Groves is ready for Bute or Froch?
perhaps i am too pessimistic :)
I dont think groves is ready do you? he's only had 13 fights or whatever it is, i think at the minute both would probably stop him, in 5 or 6 fights time tho you never know
Maybe he needs a little more seasoning but Groves has come to the US and sparred with Andre Dirrell etc. and Andre Dirrell said he was very good. I guess there are a good amount of options at the domestic level in the UK to keep him busy for now?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44exactly, and it wont happen, i cant see even if they sign a 2 fight deal they will have 2 fightsQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThat was the whole point of the two-fight deal: to give each guy a chance to win in their hometown. If Bute really wants a Froch fight, he should consider doing the first fight in Nottingham and the second fight in Montreal.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Erics, do you think Groves is ready for Bute or Froch?
perhaps i am too pessimistic :)
I dont think groves is ready do you? he's only had 13 fights or whatever it is, i think at the minute both would probably stop him, in 5 or 6 fights time tho you never know
Bute is in between a rock and a hard place here. Who does he fight? If Froch wants an easier fight in his Nottingham now and Ward also wants to take an easier fight for the time being, Dirrell may be the only option even though the main fight he should be in is against Ward. There aren't any other available top ten guys and I don't see why Bute should leave 168 when he can still safely make weight.
i think groves is almost running out of options in the UK, assuming he beats anderson (which i think is a really hard fight) who is there?Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratMaybe he needs a little more seasoning but Groves has come to the US and sparred with Andre Dirrell etc. and Andre Dirrell said he was very good. I guess there are a good amount of options at the domestic level in the UK to keep him busy for now?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44exactly, and it wont happen, i cant see even if they sign a 2 fight deal they will have 2 fightsQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThat was the whole point of the two-fight deal: to give each guy a chance to win in their hometown. If Bute really wants a Froch fight, he should consider doing the first fight in Nottingham and the second fight in Montreal.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Erics, do you think Groves is ready for Bute or Froch?
perhaps i am too pessimistic :)
I dont think groves is ready do you? he's only had 13 fights or whatever it is, i think at the minute both would probably stop him, in 5 or 6 fights time tho you never know
Bute is in between a rock and a hard place here. Who does he fight? If Froch wants an easier fight in his Nottingham now and Ward also wants to take an easier fight for the time being, Dirrell may be the only option even though the main fight he should be in is against Ward. There aren't any other available top ten guys and I don't see why Bute should leave 168 when he can still safely make weight.
is tony jeffries still at super middle? Brian Magee maybe although i wouldnt have thought there would be much chance he would want groves, there is a good chance he would lose and that would be him right back out of title contention
I dont think theres any harm in him stepping back for a couple of fights, maybe figting rocky fielding maybe
obviously theres degale too but i cant see that happening any time soon
The problem Bute has is he always fights in canada, I wouldnt have thought dirrell would fight him there, probably the best he can hope for is the kind of second tier of fighters willing to travel
I think thats why he is so keen on froch
I don't understand why you'd be disappointed with a Bute/Dirrell fight. To me, it's a 50/50 fight. I might even slightly favor Dirrell. I think it's crap that Showtime wouldn't pay for Bute/Froch but honestly, Dirrell is a bigger challenge than Froch anyway and it would be a very intriguing match-up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I know you don't mean it this way, but functionally, what you're saying amounts to saying that Dirrell needs to fight Ward in order to earn a Bute fight -- which seems exactly backward. I guarantee we get Ward/Dirrell if Dirrell beats Bute. And we probably get Dirrell/Froch 2 either way.
I also think that if B-Hop somehow beat Dawson (or maybe even if he doesn't), we'll see him pushing bigtime to fight Bute.
Bute should fight Froch next and just see what happens, if it is close and exciting then they should do the rematch in England. If it is not close then no need to demand a rematch.
Groves has said that he is not ready for Froch and it would be an insult for Groves to even request a fight with Froch yet.
I wouldn't be disappointed in a Bute v. Dirrell fight and I'm not saying that Dirrell needs to see Ward in order to fight Bute. It just irks me that Dirrell would get a huge pay day against Bute when he arguably ducked Ward. Dirrell's behavior will be rewarded when it should be really be discouraged.Quote:
Originally Posted by shzaI don't understand why you'd be disappointed with a Bute/Dirrell fight. To me, it's a 50/50 fight. I might even slightly favor Dirrell. I think it's crap that Showtime wouldn't pay for Bute/Froch but honestly, Dirrell is a bigger challenge than Froch anyway and it would be a very intriguing match-up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I know you don't mean it this way, but functionally, what you're saying amounts to saying that Dirrell needs to fight Ward in order to earn a Bute fight -- which seems exactly backward. I guarantee we get Ward/Dirrell if Dirrell beats Bute. And we probably get Dirrell/Froch 2 either way.
I also think that if B-Hop somehow beat Dawson (or maybe even if he doesn't), we'll see him pushing bigtime to fight Bute.
It's similar to the Bradley/Khan situation if Bradley lands the Pacquiao fight because in effect Bradley will be rewarded for ducking Khan. Bradley versus Pacquiao is a competitive fight too. However, at least there, it's not Bradley's fault Khan lost to Peterson.
Also, considering the history, I don't know how you can guarantee we'll get Ward/Dirrell if Dirrell beats Bute. (1) Dirrell quit the S6 when he was set to face Ward and (2) since then, Dirrell has called Bute out on numerous occasions, yet not called out Ward. He has no history with Bute either. Frankly, Dirrell has never given any true indication that he ever wants to face Ward. Ward's mandatory is Anthony Dirrell. Let's see if he takes it.
As for how I saw the division playing out in a perfect world, Ward stated he wouldn't face Bute until Bute beat better competition. To get to that point, it made sense to me that Bute face the guys Ward beat to "earn" a fight with Ward (Not that I wouldn't prefer Ward vs. Bute now of course, but I mean given that is Ward's stance). While Bute was challenging Froch and Kessler, Anthony Dirrell would face Andre Ward, which would help build a fight between Andre Dirrell and Andre Ward and then the winner would face the winner of the Bute/Froch/Kessler fights.
Brian Magee is the exact type of fight Groves should be angling for in the near future. It may be too early in his career now, but sometime soon that is the perfect type of developmental fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i think groves is almost running out of options in the UK, assuming he beats anderson (which i think is a really hard fight) who is there?Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratMaybe he needs a little more seasoning but Groves has come to the US and sparred with Andre Dirrell etc. and Andre Dirrell said he was very good. I guess there are a good amount of options at the domestic level in the UK to keep him busy for now?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44exactly, and it wont happen, i cant see even if they sign a 2 fight deal they will have 2 fightsQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThat was the whole point of the two-fight deal: to give each guy a chance to win in their hometown. If Bute really wants a Froch fight, he should consider doing the first fight in Nottingham and the second fight in Montreal.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Erics, do you think Groves is ready for Bute or Froch?
perhaps i am too pessimistic :)
I dont think groves is ready do you? he's only had 13 fights or whatever it is, i think at the minute both would probably stop him, in 5 or 6 fights time tho you never know
Bute is in between a rock and a hard place here. Who does he fight? If Froch wants an easier fight in his Nottingham now and Ward also wants to take an easier fight for the time being, Dirrell may be the only option even though the main fight he should be in is against Ward. There aren't any other available top ten guys and I don't see why Bute should leave 168 when he can still safely make weight.
is tony jeffries still at super middle? Brian Magee maybe although i wouldnt have thought there would be much chance he would want groves, there is a good chance he would lose and that would be him right back out of title contention
I dont think theres any harm in him stepping back for a couple of fights, maybe figting rocky fielding maybe
obviously theres degale too but i cant see that happening any time soon
The problem Bute has is he always fights in canada, I wouldnt have thought dirrell would fight him there, probably the best he can hope for is the kind of second tier of fighters willing to travel
I think thats why he is so keen on froch