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Big fight this weekend and it has the makings of FOY. So does Diaz's smothering punches overwhelm Condit or does Condit's power crack Nick's iron jaw? Ought to be interesting to see if Carlos looks for the TD considering Nick has had issues with wrestlers in the past. Both have pretty good subs but I think Nick gets the nod for better BJJ. Really looking forward to this one.
Yea really looking forward to this, my bets with a buddy at work are im going for Diaz, Nelson and Jorgensen. The other fights we couldnt split and went for the same fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
As for Diaz fight, it will be interesting to see if Condit's power is as good when he's moving backwards cos ya can be sure that Diaz will push the pace and be moving forward throwing plenty. Diaz can, and will get caught, BJ done well enough !
If it does go to the ground I can see Diaz having the upper hand here. Being a Gracie BJJ diciple he will nothing to fear on the ground from Condit. Diaz is more than versed in BJJ and submissions, and fighting off his back wont be to much of a problem.
Im hoping for Diaz win so he can get that shot at GSP, I see Diaz as really the only man to push GSP at this time.
I want Condit to win, but Diaz will probably take it.
He has a way of negating the offense and power of most of his opponents.
Hope Condit lands one on him like the one he put on Hardy though.
My thoughts are the exact opposite of Hulk lol.
I really want Diaz to win but I can see him getting stopped on cuts.
Is this a 5 round main event fight?
As far as im aware it is a 5rd fight, with it being for the interim title also, this would lend to the fact it's a 5rd fight ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
who wins?
gotta be condit.
diaz is a one dimensional bitch.
condit's gonna get destroyed by gsp.
It was close but I had it 3 rounds to 2 for Condit. The first round was pretty tight but I gave it to Carlos for the leg kicks. I thought Nick landed the better shots in 2 and 3. Condit started putting really good combos together in 4. I had Condit ahead in the last round. The take down by Nick made it interesting but it was a little too late. I give big props to Carlos. He showed some great foot work and mixed up the striking. Nick never could really get in a rythm. I'd still lean towards GSP to win but Condit showed he can adapt and come with a good gameplan. Hopefully Nick doesn't quit. There are still some good fights for him at 170 and with a couple more wins he coul rematch Condit or fight GSP.
I had to 5-0 for Condit. Nick Diaz was only landing minimal punches and was missing head kicks and basically just trying to piss condit off enough to brawl with him which didnt happen. Walking forward and calling a guy on doesnt get points from me, effective agression and movement does.
It was a very subjective fight, the is plenty giving the fight to Diaz, but personally I had Condit as the clear winner. He done what I expected Cerrone would of done against Nate Diaz. He used the leg kicks to keep the distance between them, and ya could see the frustration in Diaz. Although Nick kept moving forward and did had limited success with his striking it wasnt enough for me to win any of the rounds conclusivley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
I was also suprised that he didnt go for more takedowns. He showed in the last minute of the last round that he had that better ground game, almost getting the submission.
How good is Roy Nelson's chin by the way? that bloke has a head made of granite!
I think he should shed a few more pounds and make a run at the LHW division. He would make a greater impact there than the HW's IMO.
Did anyone see any of the prelim fights? The was a kid, well he's 27, called Stephen 'Wonderboy' Thompson making his UFC debut, If ya havent seen anything about him check him out!
Finished his opponent with a wicked punch kick combo! Apparently he hasnt lost a fight since he was 10yr old :o His kickboxing record is 57-0, Karate record of 64-0 and his MMA record 6-0, he's touted as the most accomplished striker in MMA today! Has a decorated Kickboxing record and held world titles. In 2006 Stephen was the #1 ranked fighter in Chuck Norris’ World Combat League. Check him out !
I saw the prelims and I saw the wonderboy land that spectacular head kick. The other guy never saw it coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanIt was a very subjective fight, the is plenty giving the fight to Diaz, but personally I had Condit as the clear winner. He done what I expected Cerrone would of done against Nate Diaz. He used the leg kicks to keep the distance between them, and ya could see the frustration in Diaz. Although Nick kept moving forward and did had limited success with his striking it wasnt enough for me to win any of the rounds conclusivley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
I was also suprised that he didnt go for more takedowns. He showed in the last minute of the last round that he had that better ground game, almost getting the submission.
How good is Roy Nelson's chin by the way? that bloke has a head made of granite!
I think he should shed a few more pounds and make a run at the LHW division. He would make a greater impact there than the HW's IMO.
Did anyone see any of the prelim fights? The was a kid, well he's 27, called Stephen 'Wonderboy' Thompson making his UFC debut, If ya havent seen anything about him check him out!
Finished his opponent with a wicked punch kick combo! Apparently he hasnt lost a fight since he was 10yr old :o His kickboxing record is 57-0, Karate record of 64-0 and his MMA record 6-0, he's touted as the most accomplished striker in MMA today! Has a decorated Kickboxing record and held world titles. In 2006 Stephen was the #1 ranked fighter in Chuck Norris’ World Combat League. Check him out !
Wonderboy keeps his hands very low due to his karate stance. Its a wonder someone doesn't close the distance on him and step in with a good left hook right hand combo. That'd be my strategy. But easier said then done.
His opponent just stood outside and got picked apart til the KO occurred.
Condit won with a great game plan, Diaz could not figure out how to deal with him. And now that he got busted for using I can see why. Dude is an idiot for getting stoned before walking in to fight someone like Condit.
You don't honestly think he was stoned before the fight do you? You do realize that THT stays in the body for up to 30 days and that he also tested positive for THT after defeating Gomi when he was the #1 LW in the world?
What Im finding very amusing is that boxing fans who have become boxing/mma fans (like myself) all have no trouble scoring this fight for Condit because of effective counter punching and movement. But DIEHARD MMA fans who want boxing to die all expected condit to stand there and go punch for punch and coz that didnt happen they say diaz won. Just something ive noticed.
Snakey,
I fall in this category " boxing fans who have become boxing/mma fans " but thought it was a close fight. I had it 3 rounds to 2. I didn't expect Condit to stand and slug but in the 2nd and 3rd rounds he was not being effective moving backwards.
I disagree. Diaz seemed to do more posturing than anything else. Condit was being active, Diaz was walking forward and that doesnt win fights in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
Nick does do a fair amount of clowning but was landing the better shots for those two rounds. Condit didn't really start putting punches together until the 4th. I gave him the first based on the leg kicks. If you are going to win moving backwards or from the bottom in MMA you have to demonstrably out work and strike your opponent.
Probably not but then again I dont think like a thug so not real sure. And I did not know that about pot but will remember that information in case I ever decide to give it a try.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
IMO thats what Condit did. He mixed it up the WHOLE fight...Nick chased him all night throwing sloppy lookin punches and throwing kicks to the air. Diaz didnt cut of the ring so to me that loses him points, Diaz clowned (wasting time), Diaz wasnt very active...to me this loses him the fight. Walking forward and taking 3 and landing 2 while mouthing off just doesnt justify a win for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
Just a boxing example...Mayweather went backwards most of the time against Hatton but he still was winning that fight on the cards before the stoppage.
Outside of the kicks in the first round I didn't see Condit landing very many meaningful punches in rounds 1-3. He kept going for the spinning back fist that never landed cleanly and most of his punches were parried or dodged. I think Nick clearly landed the better punches in rounds 2 and 3, not that either of them landed a whole lot. Not sure what you are getting at with the Mayweather example. You can win moving backwards in MMA especially if you land like PBF did against Hatton. Scoring is different in MMA though. If you are going to fight from the bottom or moving backward you need to obviously out strike your opponent. Pretty sure I already said that.