Paul Williams vs. Nobuhiro Ishida - Saturday night fight thread

Yup, the same Ishida who knocked out Kirkland. I don't know why Cloud's IBF light heavyweight title fight isn't the main event..

At Corpus Christi, Texas (Showtime): Paul Williams vs. Nobuhiro Ishida, 12 rounds, junior middleweights; Tavoris Cloud vs. Gabriel Campillo, 12 rounds, for Cloud's IBF light heavyweight title; Cristobal Arreola vs. Eric Molina, 12 rounds, heavyweights; Malik Scott vs. Kendrick Releford, rematch, 8 rounds, heavyweights.

I figure Williams clowns Ishida, but who knows. Cloud shouldn't have much of a problem with Campillo.

Who you bitches got?

This is a good match up. Both fighters need this win to progress. Ishida is still classified under "perfect timing", with his win against Kirkland. And Williams is classified as "what could have been", after his ko lose and close decision win ove Lora. The winner of this fight should fight K9 and be right back in the title hunt.

Williams is fearless and just takes on the best, you have got to admire that.

I think Ishida- Williams has the potential to be a good fight. Will be interesting to see if boxnation or Sky pick it up over here in the UK.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

I think Ishida- Williams has the potential to be a good fight. Will be interesting to see if boxnation or Sky pick it up over here in the UK.

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Too bad that so many good fights get aired live in the AM in the UK because of the time difference.
Vitali vs. Chisora is an afternoon fight here in North America Saturday, so it should be shown at about 9:00 or 10:00 PM your time.

cheers

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

I think Ishida- Williams has the potential to be a good fight. Will be interesting to see if boxnation or Sky pick it up over here in the UK.

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Too bad that so many good fights get aired live in the AM in the UK because of the time difference.
Vitali vs. Chisora is an afternoon fight here in North America Saturday, so it should be shown at about 9:00 or 10:00 PM your time.

cheers

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Thanks Mars, there is a big day of buildup programs on boxnation for the Chisora-Klitschko fight. Biographies of Heavyweights, then then Magee- Markussen from Denmark before going over to Munich for Del boy v Vitali. No sign of anyone covering the Ishida-Williams,Cloud etc bill but you can't have everything I suppose.

Unfortunetely we miss out on some fights.

Sky will be showing Macklin, Wlad, Morales and Kell Brook but I do not have it so will miss out.

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Originally Posted by Master

Williams is fearless and just takes on the best, you have got to admire that.

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This is an awfully odd context in which to make that comment. He should be giving Lara a rematch from that robbery. I'm rooting against him because of that, though I'm firmly in the "Kirkland fight was a total fluke" camp and think Williams probably wins easily on his usual semi-sloppy volume punching.

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Williams is fearless and just takes on the best, you have got to admire that.

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This is an awfully odd context in which to make that comment. He should be giving Lara a rematch from that robbery. I'm rooting against him because of that, though I'm firmly in the "Kirkland fight was a total fluke" camp and think Williams probably wins easily on his usual semi-sloppy volume punching.

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I'm a big Tall Paul fan, but I agree, it's not like Ishida is the avoided type of fighter that Williams has fought in the past.

Hey, maybe Golden Boy will put Canelo in with Williams next. Hah!

Williams is trying to take the backdoor and convince everyone he's back in devistating fashion here, thinking Ishida is hitting him with nerd ball punches. With his limited exposure and considering how Kirkland has rebounded to drive a truck over undefeated Angulo it's really a semi everything to lose, very little reward for him. Is it a title elimination fight??? Even if it goes rounds which I think it will Williams catches shots ugly and often now. I'm picking Ishida to beat him.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Williams is trying to take the backdoor and convince everyone he's back in devistating fashion here, thinking Ishida is hitting him with nerd ball punches. With his limited exposure and considering how Kirkland has rebounded to drive a truck over undefeated Angulo it's really a semi everything to lose, very little reward for him. Is it a title elimination fight??? Even if it goes rounds which I think it will Williams catches shots ugly and often now. I'm picking Ishida to beat him.

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Wow. Big statement, Spicoli. You don't feel strong enough about that to sig bet, do you? Is it a title eliminator? For what belt?

Nice to see Williams is back, now lets see what he has left but he should win this fight with out much problem.

Spicoli, I guess you may be right. Williams is ranked #3 and Ishida is ranked #2. Mundine is the international champ and is ranked #1. Trout holds the WBA belt at 154. Cotto is the super champion until Mayweather beats him. I guess that means the winner here is the mandatory for Austin Trout or Miguel Cotto?http://wbanews.com/artman/uploads/1/...ERO_2012_1.pdf

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Originally Posted by Master

Williams is fearless and just takes on the best, you have got to admire that.

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This is an awfully odd context in which to make that comment. He should be giving Lara a rematch from that robbery. I'm rooting against him because of that, though I'm firmly in the "Kirkland fight was a total fluke" camp and think Williams probably wins easily on his usual semi-sloppy volume punching.

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I want to point out one minor point on Tall Paul's behalf. He came back from suffering the KO of the year against Martinez to face Lara, who in my opinion is probably the most avoided fighter at 154.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Williams is trying to take the backdoor and convince everyone he's back in devistating fashion here, thinking Ishida is hitting him with nerd ball punches. With his limited exposure and considering how Kirkland has rebounded to drive a truck over undefeated Angulo it's really a semi everything to lose, very little reward for him. Is it a title elimination fight??? Even if it goes rounds which I think it will Williams catches shots ugly and often now. I'm picking Ishida to beat him.

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Wow. Big statement, Spicoli. You don't feel strong enough about that to sig bet, do you? Is it a title eliminator? For what belt?

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Absolutley. Haven't had a sig in a long time, fun stuff. Whatever you like time wise....well I'm just wondering for a 'opponent' HBO turned down previously why pick match now? I don't know where these guys are ranked in the alphabet soup groups?

Edit! Loving this slow azz I phone. Just saw your last post with ranking Rant, thanks bud.

I like Williams over Ishida. I think he'll outwork him over the distance.

In the other fight, I wouldn't sleep on Campillo. He has a style that "could" cause some trouble for Cloud. I still like Tavoris to come away with the W...but Campillo is a live dog IMO.

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Originally Posted by TigerFan

I like Williams over Ishida. I think he'll outwork him over the distance.

In the other fight, I wouldn't sleep on Campillo. He has a style that "could" cause some trouble for Cloud. I still like Tavoris to come away with the W...but Campillo is a live dog IMO.

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Campillo is a Spanish pug, (actually from Spain) other than winning the WBA Light Heavyweight Title from Beibut Shumenov, (and then losing it to the same guy) his record isn't too remarkable. Campillo lacks power, only 8 KO's in 26 Pro fights, which isn't a good thing against a guy like Cloud. Hopefully however, we'll get to see a competitive fight, although I wouldn't mind seeing Tavoris make a statement and flatten this dude. :-X

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I like Williams over Ishida. I think he'll outwork him over the distance.

In the other fight, I wouldn't sleep on Campillo. He has a style that "could" cause some trouble for Cloud. I still like Tavoris to come away with the W...but Campillo is a live dog IMO.

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Campillo is a Spanish pug, (actually from Spain) other than winning the WBA Light Heavyweight Title from Beibut Shumenov, (and then losing it to the same guy) his record isn't too remarkable. Campillo lacks power, only 8 KO's in 26 Pro fights, which isn't a good thing against a guy like Cloud. Hopefully however, we'll get to see a competitive fight, although I wouldn't mind seeing Tavoris make a statement and flatten this dude. :-X

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It should be mentioned that Campillo was robbed against Shumenov in that second fight and robbed in the draw against Murat. His record isn't too remarkable, but either is Cloud's really. This is a good test for Cloud. At least it's as good of a test as anyone on his record besides maybe Glen Johnson. If Cloud smashes through Campillo, he solidifies himself as the wrecking ball in the division.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Williams is trying to take the backdoor and convince everyone he's back in devistating fashion here, thinking Ishida is hitting him with nerd ball punches. With his limited exposure and considering how Kirkland has rebounded to drive a truck over undefeated Angulo it's really a semi everything to lose, very little reward for him. Is it a title elimination fight??? Even if it goes rounds which I think it will Williams catches shots ugly and often now. I'm picking Ishida to beat him.

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lol.. Yea, I dont think Williams is taking a big chance here cuz I dont see Ishida as any kind of threat..

Lightning won't strike twice for the sushiboy and he's going to get wrecked.

Williams needs a real fight..

Bump... this card starts @ 10:00 PM ET here in North America on Showtime Saturday, so that means 3:00 or 4:00 AM across the pond.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Williams is trying to take the backdoor and convince everyone he's back in devistating fashion here, thinking Ishida is hitting him with nerd ball punches. With his limited exposure and considering how Kirkland has rebounded to drive a truck over undefeated Angulo it's really a semi everything to lose, very little reward for him. Is it a title elimination fight??? Even if it goes rounds which I think it will Williams catches shots ugly and often now. I'm picking Ishida to beat him.

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lol.. Yea, I dont think Williams is taking a big chance here cuz I dont see Ishida as any kind of threat..

Lightning won't strike twice for the sushiboy and he's going to get wrecked.

Williams needs a real fight..

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This is the right kind of fight for Williams. His confidence has no doubt been jolted and he needs a decent win. I think he will get it, but I really feel this is the right kind of opponent at this stage.

I like Williams a lot, but his recent fights have seen him become unraveled. He just needs to get a win and see how he feels.

Williams will destroy this guy. A couple of losses doesn't take away how people wouldn't even fight the guy yesterday, just like one win doesn't make ishida crap. Ishida will get sparked quick

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Originally Posted by Mar

Williams will destroy this guy. A couple of losses doesn't take away how people wouldn't even fight the guy yesterday, just like one win doesn't make ishida crap. Ishida will get sparked quick

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Normally i'd agree, but Williams has looked like shit in his last couple fights, so we shall see grasshopper. :pimp2:

I want to see how Williams reacts to getting hit again...guys who get blasted out cold don't usually regain their ability to take a punch.

Tavoris Cloud will smash through this Campillo dude...Cloud will press the action, land the harder cleaner shots, and eventually he'll stop him. After this fight Cloud-Pascal or Cloud-Dawson/Hopkins needs to happen! The only guy I see that could give Cloud big issues is Ismial Syllakh who is a very quality fighter and will get his chance at some belts soon as well.

Never was a fan of Williams. I think he was overhyped because of his size in the division, and his ability to throw a lot of punches. With that said, I think this is an easy fight for him. Ishida was in the right place at the right time to beat an out of shape Kirkland, and I don't see him winning.

As a reminder to those of you who are watching the fights on Showtime. The main card with Williams/Ishida & Cloud/Campillo fights are on regular Showtime, and the network is starting something new by showing some of the other undercard fights on Showtime Extreme. So the Arreola/Molina fight, and another fight will be on Showtime Extreme starting at 8:00 ET.

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I want to see how Williams reacts to getting hit again...guys who get blasted out cold don't usually regain their ability to take a punch.

Tavoris Cloud will smash through this Campillo dude...Cloud will press the action, land the harder cleaner shots, and eventually he'll stop him. After this fight Cloud-Pascal or Cloud-Dawson/Hopkins needs to happen! The only guy I see that could give Cloud big issues is Ismial Syllakh who is a very quality fighter and will get his chance at some belts soon as well.

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Eh, I think Dawson and Hopkins both beat Cloud by pretty wide scores. Cloud/Pascal would be a very good fight though.

I can't root for Williams after his constant "what has Lara done to 'earn' a rematch with me?" crap. I'm not terribly interested in this fight but I'm glad to see Ishida get some reward for the Kirkland result, fluke though it may be.

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Williams will destroy this guy. A couple of losses doesn't take away how people wouldn't even fight the guy yesterday, just like one win doesn't make ishida crap. Ishida will get sparked quick

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Normally i'd agree, but Williams has looked like shit in his last couple fights, so we shall see grasshopper. :pimp2:

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Let's be fair, the guy was knocked out by Sergio Martinez, and in his next fight, took on a tough competitor in Erislandy Lara. Lara may be the most avoided guy in that division right now. Also, it wasn't like the fight with Lara wasn't a fun fight to watch. Frankly, when has Williams not been in an entertaining fight?

With regard to Cloud, I believe he can be outboxed. On that note, Campillo can box. The problem is that Campillo has negative power. With his lack of power, will Campillo be able to keep Cloud off of him for a full fight? I actually thought Mack did a decent job for the first few rounds, outboxing Cloud, and keep the fight at a distance, but Cloud's relentless pressure, and power punching, eventually took over. I predict the same sort of thing on Saturday. It's a good fight, however.

How good is the guy Cris Arreola is facing, Eric Molina?

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Originally Posted by shza

Eh, I think Dawson and Hopkins both beat Cloud by pretty wide scores. Cloud/Pascal would be a very good fight though.

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I'm not so certain Cloud would get beaten badly by Dawson or Hopkins. #1 Bernard is always getting older and a Prime pressure fighter that has solid power in both hands could make him age quickly #2 Dawson lacks a killer instinct and routinely gives up any kind of height and reach advantage...it hasn't caught up with him too much yet, but it will.

Cloud is a hard worker and just a strong fella....I think he'll do extremely well given the state of this division......providing he can land a big fight

I think Ishida is being seriously slept on here, on the same scale that people think that the damage and drain done to Williams will just vanish against a capable guy who know what it's like to be brought in as a soft touch and not freeze after being rushed and I think Williams has seriously slipped, his heart is stedfast but he gets hit clean at a ugly rate. All things considered this is a good crossroads match and while you gotta be careful not to root for the underdog for the sake of doing so, I will not be shocked at all to see Ishida pepper the hell out of a one step behind Williams for that 12 round win.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Bump... this card starts @ 10:00 PM ET here in North America on Showtime Saturday, so that means 3:00 or 4:00 AM across the pond.

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This card starts in a little less than 3 hours.

is PW declining? Probably.
But Ishida wasn't known as a puncher prior to the Kirkland fight. And PW's kryptonite has been southpaws: Quintana, Martinez, Lara!!!! Ishida isn't a southpaw.

I think PW has enough left to win this fight, but wouldn't be shocked if he lost.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

I think Ishida is being seriously slept on here, on the same scale that people think that the damage and drain done to Williams will just vanish against a capable guy who know what it's like to be brought in as a soft touch and not freeze after being rushed and I think Williams has seriously slipped, his heart is stedfast but he gets hit clean at a ugly rate. All things considered this is a good crossroads match and while you gotta be careful not to root for the underdog for the sake of doing so, I will not be shocked at all to see Ishida pepper the hell out of a one step behind Williams for that 12 round win.

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That's possible, I noticed at the weigh-in that Ishida is nearly as tall as Williams, so Williams won't have his usual height advantage. The thing is, Ishida's win over Kirkland aside, he doesn't have much power and P-Will has a decent chin, so if Ishida wins it would likely be by decision. After seeing Williams win that shit decision over Lara in his last fight, i'd love to see Ishida find lightening in a bottle again, and knock him out.

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is PW declining? Probably.
But Ishida wasn't known as a puncher prior to the Kirkland fight. And PW's kryptonite has been southpaws: Quintana, Martinez, Lara!!!! Ishida isn't a southpaw.

I think PW has enough left to win this fight, but wouldn't be shocked if he lost.

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Yo Capt, where you been lately bro? Good to see you.
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BTW, I believe Williams wins tonight, but i'll be pulling for the Jap. (I was born there ;) )

I like Cloud, he's a monster. Williams is still getting doubters. I got Williams
in a shutout.

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Originally Posted by Diane

Never was a fan of Williams. I think he was overhyped because of his size in the division, and his ability to throw a lot of punches. With that said, I think this is an easy fight for him. Ishida was in the right place at the right time to beat an out of shape Kirkland, and I don't see him winning.

As a reminder to those of you who are watching the fights on Showtime. The main card with Williams/Ishida & Cloud/Campillo fights are on regular Showtime, and the network is starting something new by showing some of the other undercard fights on Showtime Extreme. So the Arreola/Molina fight, and another fight will be on Showtime Extreme starting at 8:00 ET.

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That's in about 30 minutes, thanks Diane.

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I think Ishida is being seriously slept on here, on the same scale that people think that the damage and drain done to Williams will just vanish against a capable guy who know what it's like to be brought in as a soft touch and not freeze after being rushed and I think Williams has seriously slipped, his heart is stedfast but he gets hit clean at a ugly rate. All things considered this is a good crossroads match and while you gotta be careful not to root for the underdog for the sake of doing so, I will not be shocked at all to see Ishida pepper the hell out of a one step behind Williams for that 12 round win.

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That's possible, I noticed at the weigh-in that Ishida is nearly as tall as Williams, so Williams won't have his usual height advantage. The thing is, Ishida's win over Kirkland aside, he doesn't have much power and P-Will has a decent chin, so if Ishida wins it would likely be by decision. After seeing Williams win that shit decision over Lara in his last fight, i'd love to see Ishida find lightening in a bottle again, and knock him out.

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Yeh thats the only way I see it could go, dec to him. If Williams is off that aggresive step and not pressing with volume ala the Phillips fight (great body work) Ishida has some good hands and shifty in there and might suprise. He is very live. I dont think you really have to hit the last version of Paul hard to beat him...just hit often. I watched his 4 fights prior to Kirkland win and dude is quick, flashy...almost too much at times... and despite low ko percentage he can fight and has some slicing type shots. That Alvarez loss was a bad call to me. It'll be up to Williams to have zero respect for him early on and hope his face holds up while trying to break that body in half. Lots of scenarios and maybe I'll look a total fool, wouldnt be the first time :-X but pulling for the Ishida win, think its def there.

Ok shutting up now ;D

Arreola looks in good shape for him. He lost his back boobs. ;D

Ok is this on time delay for everyone else? I don't want to post spoilers if it is.

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Ok is this on time delay for everyone else? I don't want to post spoilers if it is.

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I don't think it's a problem Diane, nice 1st round KO for Arreola, his man titties seem to be dwindling. :-X

Lopez vs Justin Williams up next. (SHO Extreme)