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These 2 pugs seem way too friendly toward each other. :-X
Pacquiao figures to win this fight fairly easily, but it should be entertaining.
same as the cotto mayweather fight this is another one i'm really looking forward to and it is his first showing since the poor performance (loss) against Marquez... so should give us a good indication if he still has what it takes.
Hard to believe Manny won his first title at Flyweight... a living Legend that might not be fully appreciated until he has gone. :cool:
Saddo it wasn't a bad performance, its just JMM has his number.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
Gotta sell the fight I guess saying things like “Bradley is dangerous…We are nervous for signing a fight with Bradley…We don’t know what can happen…” blah blah blah. Only Pacquiao, his team, and fans, make it seem as if it’s really the biggest threat out there. Really, what threat can a soft puncher bring? :rolleyes:
Pacquiao by KO/TKO.
Not excited about this fight as much as the Cotto v Floyd fight but if it is on over here I may watch it. The fight may go to Sky or Primetime channel.
"I'm just Glad Manny is fighting an undefeated fighter, who is more concerned about winning, than he is about protecting his record";D Freddie Roach
"Well I'm looking at doing it [the Khan fight] maybe the end of the year or probably next year. I still think the fight is too premature."
"A lot of people say it's great money. Man, at the end of the day it's still really risky. At the end of the day, let's say I lose the fight, what happens then? I'm out of the sweepstakes with Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao" Timothy Bradley
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Originally Posted by Chino
Bradley may not be a knockout puncher but he certainly puts the heat on people. He forced Devon Alexander to mentally quit. He was battering Nate Campbell who had to pretend that blood was pouring into his eye in order to get out of the fight on a cut. Hre stopped Casamayor.
Watch his fight highlight with Peterson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enviwZcNgpo
It's ridiculous to think this is an easy fight or that Bradley is not a dangerous fighter. He really is.
I don't think Timothy Bradley is exceptional in any one area, but he is a good all rounder a bit like Evander Holyfield. We've seen Timothy Bradley improve and we've seen many different sides to him.
We've seen him show heart against Kendall Holt, we've seen his boxing skills vs Peterson, Abregu, and we've seen he can get down and dirty when he needs to aka Nate Campbell fight.
I personally don't think he has the tools to beat Manny Pacquiao, but its an interesting fight and i'll be very interested in it.
I think he's a real live threat. I must admit I thought Marquez would be an easy night's work for Manny. This is the first fighter that I really thought might beat him.
I don't think an upset is out of the question here.
For me it's a much more interesting fight than Floyd vs Cotto which to me is a routine 12 win for Floyd, or a late ko if Cotto actually fights to win.
I don't see it Bilbo i don't think he has enough power or speed, he can box but it's not like he's exceptional boxer like Mayweather for example. He probably has enough tricks to last 12 rounds and do himself proud, but i don't see that he does anything that special that he can really threaten Pacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Gotta agree with you here Bilbo. I'm really looking forward to this fight. I think Bradley's movement can be a real pain in the ass for Pacquiao, he has an awkward defensive style with his ducking and head movement. He struggles with JMMs movement akways keeping him off balance so who knows. Pac throws alot of shots and reaches so leaves himself open for the counter if clever ebough. Pac was off balance something terrible in their last fight. Against Bradley for certain he wont be meeting someone who is plodding forward like Margarito, Clottey, Hatton or a dead De La Hoya. Even Cotto boxed well against Manny. It was getting involved that spoilt that for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I say Pacquiao takes this via Split decision with Bradley's stock still rising regardless.
Disagree with the pair of you, Cotto v Floyd is by far the more interesting fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMacMagicianGotta agree with you here Bilbo. I'm really looking forward to this fight. I think Bradley's movement can be a real pain in the ass for Pacquiao, he has an awkward defensive style with his ducking and head movement. He struggles with JMMs movement akways keeping him off balance so who knows. Pac throws alot of shots and reaches so leaves himself open for the counter if clever ebough. Pac was off balance something terrible in their last fight. Against Bradley for certain he wont be meeting someone who is plodding forward like Margarito, Clottey, Hatton or a dead De La Hoya. Even Cotto boxed well against Manny. It was getting involved that spoilt that for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I say Pacquiao takes this via Split decision with Bradley's stock still rising regardless.
Well, i think you've been watching too much porn Master and its warped your brain. I guess we dont have a huge amount of time till we find out. I don't see Cotto's lower output or speed to be anything for floyd to be bothered by. Bradley, on the other hand, while he doesn't have a huge punch, he has the volume, accuracy and defensive skills to cause Manny problems. Just sayin.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterDisagree with the pair of you, Cotto v Floyd is by far the more interesting fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMacMagicianGotta agree with you here Bilbo. I'm really looking forward to this fight. I think Bradley's movement can be a real pain in the ass for Pacquiao, he has an awkward defensive style with his ducking and head movement. He struggles with JMMs movement akways keeping him off balance so who knows. Pac throws alot of shots and reaches so leaves himself open for the counter if clever ebough. Pac was off balance something terrible in their last fight. Against Bradley for certain he wont be meeting someone who is plodding forward like Margarito, Clottey, Hatton or a dead De La Hoya. Even Cotto boxed well against Manny. It was getting involved that spoilt that for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I say Pacquiao takes this via Split decision with Bradley's stock still rising regardless.
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Originally Posted by TheMacMagicianGotta agree with you here Bilbo. I'm really looking forward to this fight. I think Bradley's movement can be a real pain in the ass for Pacquiao, he has an awkward defensive style with his ducking and head movement. He struggles with JMMs movement akways keeping him off balance so who knows. Pac throws alot of shots and reaches so leaves himself open for the counter if clever ebough. Pac was off balance something terrible in their last fight. Against Bradley for certain he wont be meeting someone who is plodding forward like Margarito, Clottey, Hatton or a dead De La Hoya. Even Cotto boxed well against Manny. It was getting involved that spoilt that for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I say Pacquiao takes this via Split decision with Bradley's stock still rising regardless.
Yeah I really think Bradley has the tools to spring the upset. He's in his prime. Never been beat, fights every fight like it's his destiny to win it. He really believes in himself and despite people saying he has no power I think he actually fights with a vicious style. He knows how to fight rough, to use his head, and take advantage of every trick.
It's a really tough fight for Pacquio imo close to a 50/50 fight.
I can't see Manny stopping him, and I think Manny is slowing down. I'll see what the odds are before the fight and well may have a flutter on Bradley to do it.
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Originally Posted by Chino
Bradley may not be a knockout puncher but he certainly puts the heat on people. He forced Devon Alexander to mentally quit. He was battering Nate Campbell who had to pretend that blood was pouring into his eye in order to get out of the fight on a cut. He stopped Casamayor.
Watch his fight highlight with Peterson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enviwZcNgpo
It's ridiculous to think this is an easy fight or that Bradley is not a dangerous fighter. He really is.
Hhhhmm I am not so sure about Bradley. He’s no journeyman of course but, Iiiiiiii dunno. I find it interesting how Pac, his team, and Arum don’t praise Mayweather as much when talks about their fight comes up but when it comes to facing lesser challenges they talk about how great they are and all the great qualities they have, how big of a threat the fight is, and so on. If Pacquiao faces a guy that can’t punch I can see Pacquiao having no problem receiving one or two punches to penetrate his defense and land his power shots to KO/TKO Bradley.
Bro, is this a subtle way of discrediting PAC if indeed he stops the UNDEFEATED, YOUNG, PRIME Bradley?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
Being young and undefeated doesn't make someone great. If so, are you going to tell me JC Chavez Jr. is great? I root for JC Chavez Jr. but deep inside me I know he still has a lot to prove and not quite ready to be up there with the big names regardless of the belt he has on his shoulder.Quote:
Originally Posted by PavlikBro, is this a subtle way of discrediting PAC if indeed he stops the UNDEFEATED, YOUNG, PRIME Bradley?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
Not being subtle, I am being straight. I am discrediting Pacquiao and his team already for picking a soft punching guy from a lower weight division. Not sure we can say Bradley's resume is up there comparable to Pacquiao's. I feel bad for Bradley already.
If Bradley wins it would probably be by a headbutt:p.
He has been at the top of his devision for a while and has defeated the majority of the best fighters there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinoBeing young and undefeated doesn't make someone great. If so, are you going to tell me JC Chavez Jr. is great? I root for JC Chavez Jr. but deep inside me I know he still has a lot to prove and not quite ready to be up there with the big names regardless of the belt he has on his shoulder.Quote:
Originally Posted by PavlikBro, is this a subtle way of discrediting PAC if indeed he stops the UNDEFEATED, YOUNG, PRIME Bradley?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
Not being subtle, I am being straight. I am discrediting Pacquiao and his team already for picking a soft punching guy from a lower weight division. Not sure we can say Bradley's resume is up there comparable to Pacquiao's. I feel bad for Bradley already.
If Bradley wins it would probably be by a headbutt:p.
He has not really come close to losing a fight defeating most of his opponents without much trouble. Imo he is probable the best fight other than mayweather or possibly Martinez for Pac. The guy has never lost and we dont know how far he will push himself to win if in trouble. Im with Bilbo and think he has a chance. Will still pick Pac to win but on a split decision.
"He says God doesn't want him to hurt people," Roach said. "That bothers me a little bit, but Manny has always been a compassionate person."
Manny Pacquiao, Freddie Roach rip Floyd Mayweather Jr., back Timothy Bradley Jr. - ESPN Los Angeles
Bradley didn't even look that good against a Casamayor stoned out of his mind. Nate Campbell was a lightweight and past his prime. I don't buy this fight as being all that hard for Pacquiao honestly. At worst we'll get one or two headbutts. But I don't see this as being a hard fight for Pacquiao. Bradley was ALWAYS gonna fight Pacquiao next ever since he signed with Top Rank.
Also Roach can take digs at Mayweather all he wants, May 5th was the date, Pacquiao and his promoter turned to every excuse not to fight him then so I dunno why they still ride this "Mayweather doesn't wanna fight us" stuff. Couldn't they find something stronger to sell Pacquiao on now? Why is it all these Top Rank fighters from Margarito to Pacquiao ride this whole "The guy Mayweather doesn't wanna fight" wave? It gets old.
Maj, If Tim is not affiliated with Top Rank and fought PAC would you feel the same way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Affiliated with Top Rank or not, it still doesn't look like the biggest threat/challenge out there. Just can't see it for reasons already mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by PavlikMaj, If Tim is not affiliated with Top Rank and fought PAC would you feel the same way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Without going above 147, who is a bigger challenge?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinoAffiliated with Top Rank or not, it still doesn't look like the biggest threat/challenge out there. Just can't see it for reasons already mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by PavlikMaj, If Tim is not affiliated with Top Rank and fought PAC would you feel the same way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Andre Berto, Victor Ortiz, and the one and only Floyd Mayweather Jr:rolleyes:.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWithout going above 147, who is a bigger challenge?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinoAffiliated with Top Rank or not, it still doesn't look like the biggest threat/challenge out there. Just can't see it for reasons already mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by PavlikMaj, If Tim is not affiliated with Top Rank and fought PAC would you feel the same way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Clearly, Floyd is a better challenge and Pacquiao is a better challenge for him than Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinoAndre Berto, Victor Ortiz, and the one and only Floyd Mayweather Jr:rolleyes:.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWithout going above 147, who is a bigger challenge?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinoAffiliated with Top Rank or not, it still doesn't look like the biggest threat/challenge out there. Just can't see it for reasons already mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by PavlikMaj, If Tim is not affiliated with Top Rank and fought PAC would you feel the same way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Why would Andre Berto or Victor Ortiz be a better challenge? Both would be good fights for Pacquiao, but they aren't objectively any better of opponents than Bradley. To argue differently, really isn't giving Bradley enough credit. Neither of them places p4p, Bradley does. Both have lost, Bradley hasn't. Bradley schooled Lamont Peterson. Victor Oritz drew with Lamont Peterson. Victor Ortiz quit against Maidana. Floyd knocked Ortiz out in five rounds! Berto may be interesting, but he's too flat-footed for Pacquiao. Bradley is better defensively than Berto. I'll agree there are arguments for each as to why Berto or Ortiz would be good opponents for Pacquiao, but there is no clear front runner, other than Floyd. Bradley is a live body. He's in his prime. He's undefeated. He's better defensively than Berto and Ortiz, which seems to be Pacquiao's weakness.
You're letting your hatred for Pacquiao cloud your judgment. You should be excited Pacquiao is facing someone with a real shot here.
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Why would Andre Berto or Victor Ortiz be a better challenge? Both would be good fights for Pacquiao, but they aren't objectively any better of opponents than Bradley
Both, Berto and Ortiz, at least have KO power to hurt Pac and are natural welterweights whereas Bradley will have to go up in weight to fight Pacquiao. So, not only is he not known for having a KO punch but he is also going up in weight.
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You're letting your hatred for Pacquiao cloud your judgment. You should be excited Pacquiao is facing someone with a real shot here
Not rooting for a guy doesn’t necessarily mean you hate him. I root for Chavez Jr. but that doesn’t mean I blind myself from seeing that regardless of him being young, hungry, undefeated, and with a belt on his shoulder, he just doesn’t belong up there with the top big names just yet. See what I mean?
Sure, both Bradley and Cotto are not what we want for Floyd and Pacquiao but at least Floyd is going up to Cotto’s comfortable weight instead of weight-draining him.
I'm noticing with almost EVERY argument you make, you say things like,Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratYou're letting your hatred for Pacquiao cloud your judgment. You should be excited Pacquiao is facing someone with a real shot here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
"...and anyone who thinks otherwise is really XYZ"
or
"You're clearly saying that because you hate fighter XYZ" (who coincidentally is one of your fave fighters)
You kinda need to stop that..it adds no more weight to your point and in fact, diminishes it.
Yes, it should be stated every once in a while if somebodies argument is overly biased but when you use it to back up every point you make in every post, it sounds like you're clutching at straws..
Pacquiao had been criticized for fighting Floyd's leftovers. Now, fighting Floyd's leftover or the leftover of his leftover is a bigger challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinoAndre Berto, Victor Ortiz, and the one and only Floyd Mayweather Jr:rolleyes:.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWithout going above 147, who is a bigger challenge?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinoAffiliated with Top Rank or not, it still doesn't look like the biggest threat/challenge out there. Just can't see it for reasons already mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by PavlikMaj, If Tim is not affiliated with Top Rank and fought PAC would you feel the same way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Geeesh, you really can not satisfy some posters in this forum.
How many leftovers have Pacquiao fought from Floyd and vice versa? Sure, I also think it is a bit hypocritical from Floyd to fight Pacquiao's left over but difference is that Floyd is not making Cotto weight-drain or meet at a catchweight. Floyd is going up to Cotto's comfortable weight. When Pacquiao wanted to go for a rematch with Cotto (which seems a bit off after seeing how he beat him), Pacquiao didn't agree to go up to his weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerPacquiao had been criticized for fighting Floyd's leftovers. Now, fighting Floyd's leftover or the leftover of his leftover is a bigger challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinoAndre Berto, Victor Ortiz, and the one and only Floyd Mayweather Jr:rolleyes:.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWithout going above 147, who is a bigger challenge?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinoAffiliated with Top Rank or not, it still doesn't look like the biggest threat/challenge out there. Just can't see it for reasons already mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by PavlikMaj, If Tim is not affiliated with Top Rank and fought PAC would you feel the same way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Geeesh, you really can not satisfy some posters in this forum.
I wasn't even criticizing Floyd's choice of fighting Pac's leftover in that post. It has nothing to do with that. It is about Floyd's leftover and the leftover of his leftover being considered as a bigger challenge for Pacquiao than Bradley.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinoHow many leftovers have Pacquiao fought from Floyd and vice versa? Sure, I also think it is a bit hypocritical from Floyd to fight Pacquiao's left over but difference is that Floyd is not making Cotto weight-drain or meet at a catchweight. Floyd is going up to Cotto's comfortable weight. When Pacquiao wanted to go for a rematch with Cotto (which seems a bit off after seeing how he beat him), Pacquiao didn't agree to go up to his weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerPacquiao had been criticized for fighting Floyd's leftovers. Now, fighting Floyd's leftover or the leftover of his leftover is a bigger challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinoAndre Berto, Victor Ortiz, and the one and only Floyd Mayweather Jr:rolleyes:.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWithout going above 147, who is a bigger challenge?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinoAffiliated with Top Rank or not, it still doesn't look like the biggest threat/challenge out there. Just can't see it for reasons already mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by PavlikMaj, If Tim is not affiliated with Top Rank and fought PAC would you feel the same way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Geeesh, you really can not satisfy some posters in this forum.
Weren't you one of those who criticized him for fighting Floyd's leftover? If not, then disregard that question.
Say what you will about Bradley but he fights old school,tough. Give PAC a thumbs up for courage because should all the pieces of the puzzle fit, this will be a rough fight for PAC and a reason for Floyd to salivate. If PAC loses, Floyd will have a new set of excuses for avoiding Bradley on index cards in his back pocket.
It's a very interesting fight, I think, I finally unexpectedly have a fight to respect pacman a little
Dont be surprised if this fight turns out like PAc-Agapito Sanchez when Pac was on the verge of tears and shit cuz he couldnt handle a rough fight..
Not only can't Pac handle a stiff jab but he also can't handle body punches and rough fighting.. Sanchez nearly had him teary eyed and had him whinning to the referee for sympathy like a pansy..
Yes, Pac today is an improved fighter yada yada but that doesn't mean he can handle a dirty fighter and Bradley has the style and the tools to emulate Agapito Sanchez.. trust me..
Anybody who gambles must put down a little something on Bradley cuz I guarantee, Pac aint going to look good here..
This is the beginning of the end for him and alot of credit must go to Marquez..
Prior to Pac-Marquez 3, Pac's opponents came into the fight with fear in their heart, thinking that pac is some unstoppable monster but now that Marquez exposed him AGAIN, fighters are going to come into a pac fight with alot more confidence, thinking that they can actually win... u know what i mean...
Arum and Pac fucked up by fighting Marquez for the 3rd time... This is what I mean by Arum not caring about his fighters. He only cares about what's good for his company..
Pac's aura of invincibility is gone alllll thanks to Marquez.. haha
pac never had an aura of invincibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Do not confuse a rough fight with a dirty fight. They are not synonymous.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Yeah, where did he get the idea that Pac ever had an aura of invicibility?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlikpac never had an aura of invincibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
lol umm ok... So now that pac looked like shit against Marquez in a fight where he was supposed to " dominate ", ya wanna make it seem like he was always somewhat beatable??Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlikpac never had an aura of invincibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Be true to yourself.. Most people ( non-boxing experts ) felt that pac was UNTOUCHABLE prior to the third Marquez bout...
Anyway, my point is that Bradley is going to make things rough for him..