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The HW division has been dominated by Klit, brother's for a few year's now people keep on telling us
all how good they are. Am I missing something I don't no about you but they are boring, is it just me but I feel they are killing the HW division.
Excitement is a word I never use in any of there fight's, I no the division is not bristling with talent but
would you not like to see both of them retired, I would.
They're alright.. I guess. They wouldn't all that, if they were in Tyson-Holyfield era.
That's it they are all right, I can see they don't generate much interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
I think they are better than most people would like to admit
Theyd have lived with the best hws of any era, their style is extremely dull and frustraiting, but very effective
And yes i hope they are beaten or retire soon, we wont have a decent hw division until they do
can't blame them for being better than everyone else.
Not blaming them for being good at what they do effective but dull as dish water.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
The Klitschkos arent killingthe divison. They are just betterbthan whats around currently. Are we supposed to hope that they retire rather than continue beating people?
Its a lack of promotion and keeping a flow of young fighters coming in. Boxing is a hard sport and the best fighters are only going to come from the poorer countires where it is a relatively easier way to make money and get themselves out of poverty. Unfortunately for the heavyweight division, the poor countries that produce boxers are generally small men. Unless someone goes and scouts somewhere like Nigeria for a big man that can fight (that would probably be bonkers as they are from Nigeria), then things wont change much.
The division would only get worse if the Klitschkos left.
The big headline of this year would likely be Holyfield vs. Povetkin. And I wish that was an exaggeration.
I go with your answers but come on any one get excited watching them fight, I don't I watch as a
boxing fan and that's about it.
there not exciting because everyone they fight sucks, not their fault, if someone can give them a challenge it would be a great fight to watch...remember klitchko lewis?
They are talented, I like watching them fight. The problem is that yeh the division may be weak and you've 'gone through' most but Wlad only adds fuel to already existing scrutiny with a garbage fight like that. It was 100% pointless and more about padding a milestone 50 ko mark. Why validate what is already strong criticism by insulting the fans. I do think the Vitali fight was solid action and needed. When its good its good but you have to keep it on the level.
You may feel I am over critical of them, but I like to be entertained sorry they are not for me.
To be fair, I was in complete awe at the handywork of Vitali when he took care of Adamek.
That style of defense was literally perfect for Adamek.
They earn alot of it...hey the Ibragimov fencing competition that Wlad had made me want to stab my eyes out with a rusty fork.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
But no one has said they are exciting, never here any body rave about there fight's that's the
point very dull. Bit like Steve Davies the snooker player good but dull.
I find Wlad hard to watch he is so boring and fights scared and carnt fight on the inside just grabs and holds.. Prime Vitali would give any1 a hard fight in any era he is just so awkward and has a very gud chin. I feel Wlads chin would of let him down if he was fighting some of the fighters from the past. He would be a problem for any1 he has a very good jab and a gud powerfull right hand but he doesnt throw it enough. But when he gets hit flush by a decent puncher thats when it will start to fall apart from him imo.
yes they're dull bot not their fault - ring walks are best thing about them.
there's no opposition for them lets face it. But yes Wlad is scared of fighting in close and his leaning pisses me off
But you fight to your strengths I guess and if it more or less guarantees the win what do you do :-\
Good points genetics is moving we are going soft with no hunger.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
In regards Wald its also a bit of a reflection on the skill levels of HW's these days that none can work him out.
Still good luck to them both, minimalism is an art too.
They are a bit like sprouts, they are good for you but you don't have to like them.;D
They are both terrible. Bad for boxing and completely pulling the wool over peoples eyes. "Oh you wait Wlad is gonna knock Haye out after dissing him" didn't happen
"Oh you wait Vitali is gonna murder Chisora" didn't happen
They treat their opponents like a joke using all kinds of gamesmanship as though being about a foot taller and two or three stones heavier wasn't enough. They then fight at home in Germany taking 85% of the money and being allowed to push down, wrestle and poke their opponents in the face all night. Wlad is so safety oriented that you would think he was a bantamweight in with a cruiserweight and Vitali while being more aggressive is hardly busy with his punches.
They are deathly dull, robotic and killing the excitement in the shop front division. How people can defend Wlad fighting Mormeck and then go on and on about Haye being a fraud and then point to Vitali and make excuses for him avoiding Valuev is beyond me. Anyone remotely near their size with a half decent punch and average technical ability would expose them.
If Chisora who has very little power can give Vitali kittens, and a back Pedalling blownup cruiserweight in Haye is too much for Wlad to finish, how can people delude themsleves into thinking they could hang with the ATG's? Holmes, Foreman, Ali, Frazier, Shavers,Tyson, could all batter the krap out of either of them.
People say the div would be worse without them
Thats bollox though it would be miles better
The division rubbish because they rule it wih their defensive take no chances at all styles and their gready contracts
Ok provetkin clearly isnt amazing but is one of the better contenders but theres abosolutely no point in him fighting either klit
please see above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
Why risk a wild swing from Haye when you can outbox him? He would have looked like a chump & would have been criticised..why risk a points win when you're clearly ahead blah blah blah
I often wonder what would have happened if Tyson was refused entry to the UK as there was talk of him not being allowed in when he came over to fight julius francis... as I remember one of the Klits (not sure which one) was willing to step in and fight him in Germany.
I love watching both of them fight no mater who they are against... they just suffer from the Lennox Lewis syndrome (safety over entertaining risks) Still remember Lennox screaming at the camera "Its a Science" after his snooze fest against Tua...and like Lennox they will not be fully appreciated until they are gone.
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Originally Posted by Saddo
I had more interest in watching Lennox fights than I do Wladimir's. Whether due to lack of credible opponents, Wlad's style.... whatever. Lennox gave us a little bit of everything. From getting careless against Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman, then getting his revenge against each of them.... to looking absolutely dreadful against Tua.... to turning out the lights on an over-the-hill but still dangerous Mike Tyson. I usually stayed awake for Lennox's fights (well... except for Tua's, during which I fell asleep).
At least Lennox liked to finish it if he could, not sail home safe every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
I had more interest in watching Lennox fights than I do Wladimir's. Whether due to lack of credible opponents, Wlad's style.... whatever. Lennox gave us a little bit of everything. From getting careless against Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman, then getting his revenge against each of them.... to looking absolutely dreadful against Tua.... to turning out the lights on an over-the-hill but still dangerous Mike Tyson. I usually stayed awake for Lennox's fights (well... except for Tua's, during which I fell asleep).
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Originally Posted by AndreAt least Lennox liked to finish it if he could, not sail home safe every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
I had more interest in watching Lennox fights than I do Wladimir's. Whether due to lack of credible opponents, Wlad's style.... whatever. Lennox gave us a little bit of everything. From getting careless against Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman, then getting his revenge against each of them.... to looking absolutely dreadful against Tua.... to turning out the lights on an over-the-hill but still dangerous Mike Tyson. I usually stayed awake for Lennox's fights (well... except for Tua's, during which I fell asleep).
Agree 200%.
In some way, I'm exasperated by the lack of a credible opponent who could force Wlad to abandon his "safety first" style. They all talk a load of shit, only to meekly lose either by boring decision or embarrasing TKO. Embarrasing, because it's more their not wanting to be in there, than Wlad wanting to take them out of there. Murphy's Law: The right guy will come along, just in time to hear Wlad announce his retirement.
They say they're killing the division but I beg to differ. I'm not fans of theirs by any stretch of the imagination but the people who are killing the division are these useless fat slobs who think being a heavyweight means that they get a free buffet pass. It's disgraceful. Look at the specimen that were Foreman, Norton, Ali, Frazier and Henry Cooper etc all in great shape. Every ounce of them, functional. Now we have absolute slobs like Tyson Fury, Chisora and Arreola. Or we have Cruisers in good shape but not big enough to contend.
The Klitschkos don't help with fights like Mormeck but at least their application to the sport is admirable. If the Klitschkos are killing the division it's because the rest of the heavies have allowed it. I mean who else is there to be excited about once they're gone?
You can't say they don't draw interest either, at least domestically they seem to pack out football stadiums everytime they fight.
All you comment's I take on board, but they never have or will have that Wow factor there style
is very effective . Don't get me wrong they are good at what they do!, but boxing need's excitement
and as I said before they don't generate that. HW division is in a sorry state at the moment weather
you like it or not, I wait with baited breath for the Wow factor to return.;D
if the klits went now there would be less quality undoubtably in the division
but there would also be a rush for the belts and a lot more ambition
The Klits make most of Lennox's fights look like the bowe-holyfield trilogy in one fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
Too boring, too big, too good.
Today talking to one of the lad's in work about my post, he is a casual fan this is what he said,
the Klit's are boring and the HW in general as well, bar Tyson exciting fast and he said the man
had a presents in and out side the ring. I no it's only one person opinion but I got a bit of feed back,
off the casual fan.;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjuXgo8icuE
There ya go pal....that's one of the last top notch heavyweight fights there has been.
Wladimir and Vitali are dominant and to some people domination is boring. There are no style matchups for them, there's no solid competition. Wlad could fight until he's 40 and probably not lose a fight.....the guys are just too good for their competition end of discussion.
The one thing you cant argue with the Klit brothers is that they are always
in tip top condition, which cant be said about most Heavys these days .
Yes, they take the BUSINESS of boxing very seriously....true professionalsQuote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
nope i disagreeQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
people dont find them boring coz they are dominant, they find them boring coz they are boring inside and outside the ring
their take no-risks-at-all styles, and boring behaviour make them boring
if tyson ruled for as long as the klits have, people would have got excited about his fights for as long as it all lasted
Tyson didn't have the style or dedication to last as long as the Klitschko's have no matter the oppositionQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44nope i disagreeQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
people dont find them boring coz they are dominant, they find them boring coz they are boring inside and outside the ring
their take no-risks-at-all styles, and boring behaviour make them boring
if tyson ruled for as long as the klits have, people would have got excited about his fights for as long as it all lasted
thats abosolutely trueQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongTyson didn't have the style or dedication to last as long as the Klitschko's have no matter the oppositionQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44nope i disagreeQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
people dont find them boring coz they are dominant, they find them boring coz they are boring inside and outside the ring
their take no-risks-at-all styles, and boring behaviour make them boring
if tyson ruled for as long as the klits have, people would have got excited about his fights for as long as it all lasted
not really related to the discussion we were having tho
OK, how's this...people got hella bored of paying $50 for a 1 round fight just like they get bored of the Klitschko's, they got bored of Lennox Lewis, and guess what, they'll get bored of the next guy in line too!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Where ever there is a Champion there are people that want to see them lose....the Klitschko's aren't going to lose anytime soon (unless it's a total shocker) so it sucks the drama out of the fights. It doesn't help it that the guys they fight don't show up, the Klitschko's give them rounds to get started....they want some competition as much as the fans want them tested...they can't manufacture competition they're stuck in this era.
I see were you are coming from Lyle, Dull Dull Lyle up to now not one person has said hell they areQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongOK, how's this...people got hella bored of paying $50 for a 1 round fight just like they get bored of the Klitschko's, they got bored of Lennox Lewis, and guess what, they'll get bored of the next guy in line too!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Where ever there is a Champion there are people that want to see them lose....the Klitschko's aren't going to lose anytime soon (unless it's a total shocker) so it sucks the drama out of the fights. It doesn't help it that the guys they fight don't show up, the Klitschko's give them rounds to get started....they want some competition as much as the fans want them tested...they can't manufacture competition they're stuck in this era.
exciting to watch, come on that's the point a bit of action that's all I ask.;D
You guys only see one side of it....look big picture. What's Ray Leonard without Duran and Hearns? What's Ali without Frazier and Foreman? COMPETITION makes the fights fun to watch...I admire the Klitschko's because they are so far ahead of anyone in the division, it's exciting to me to see that, but I've been on the bandwagon for years so I'm invested in their doing well. The simple FACT is that in the last 5 or so years the Klitschko's haven't had much adversity in the ring at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
They choose to box what people say is "safety first"....it's not safety, it's that they choose to BOX and they were taught properly and have adhered to the rules they have set for themselves that makes their attributes most effective.
If there were guys of the same size that could take the punishment the Klitschko's dish out, or small enough to out manuver the bigger Klitschko's then we would have some adversity, some challenge....but right now all they get is a workout....if they are lucky. As a fan I've got nothing bad to say about the Klitschko's, plenty bad to say about their opponents who should have learned a thing or two by now. It seems no heavyweight wants to be taken seriously anymore, and that's because the Klitschko's are so dominant.....sorry, it's domination homes!!!
All this being said, eventually the Klitschko's will retire, and the skill level of the heavyweights will plummet! We may get some decent fights out of it, maybe some fan favorites, but there will be no dominant force in the division for quite some time!