I haven't seen the fight although from all the reports I read, he was robbed. Still, to lose against Hope after beating Sylvester? What happened in the fight? Can someone give me a recap?
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I haven't seen the fight although from all the reports I read, he was robbed. Still, to lose against Hope after beating Sylvester? What happened in the fight? Can someone give me a recap?
he definately wasnt robbed
he had a good start maybe winning 3 out of the first 4 and then hope had some good middle rounds and then proska came on at the end
Hope was winning the majority of each round, proska had a good 30 seconds in each and landed some eye catching punches but a round is 3 minutes long
i thought it was a close fight but i think hope deserved it on work rate
there was a point in the 11th (i think) where proska was looking for a way out
Wasnt a robbery but I did have Proksa winning 7-5 (115-112 cos Hope had a pt deducted for rubbing his head into Proksas cut after the bell). I dont have a problem with 6-6 (so a 1pt Proksa win) or 7-5 the other way though (which would be a 1pt Hope win). The early cut on the eye from a headclash really bothered Proksa and it bled throughout the contest. Plus he ran out of gas around the halfway point. To me it looked like he hadnt trained for a long fight, probably underestimating Hope and thinking he would KO him early.
For me though Proksa still gutted out the victory by taking the last 2 rounds (where Hope finally looked tired also). I had Proksa ahead the whole way because he started well like you would expect. He definitely won the first 2 rounds. This makes the 8-4 Hope card a bad one imo, cos you have to give Hope all rounds 3 through 10. Hope was the forward mover throughout and also certainly threw more, I guess the judges liked that style. There were times when Proksa looked totally knackered and battered (though the battered part was because of all the blood from the cut) and would stay on the ropes for way way too long.
Hopefully a rematch can be made. Proksa would win.
Wow. That is huge to hear. I'm somewhat shocked.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Did you think Proksa just underestimated him? Or do you think Proksa is/was overrated? To beat Sebastian Sylvester, a perennial top ten middleweight, in the way Proksa did, even if he was on the the slide, was super impressive. Geale beat him, but it took Geale 12 rounds, and Geale is a world titlist. To then lose to Kerry Hope is suprising to say the least. It has to be the biggest upset in British boxing in a while. I bet it will be the biggest upset this year in British boxing.
That's more in line with what I have read. You favor Proksa in the rematch? Was it a fluke?Quote:
Originally Posted by J_C
It wasnt a fluke, Hope worked hard and believed but it would be different next time. But events did conspire against Proska somewhat.
The bad cut early clearly disorientated Proska. He had to fight 9 entire rounds with blood in and around the eye. If that cut didnt happen, Hope wouldnt have been anywhere near as effective. Proksa would win more rounds next time without a cut. If instead Hope had come off with the cut from the headclash, ive no doubt Proska would have knocked him out.
I find it hard to believe Proksa trained properly stamina wise for this fight. I cant see why he is so tired halfway through if he did. Next time obviously he very likely would train better. Proksa wins more rounds next time down the stretch. An awful lot of Hopes success was down to Proksa's weariness.
Not to mention the fact most fans believed Proska DID win enough rounds this time anyway. Definitely not a robbery at all but I do believe Hope was a little lucky to get the decision, especially taking into account the point deduction.
Im not sure if proska underestimated him, I think kerry hope is a lot better than his record suggests and proska doesnt throw enough punchesQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWow. That is huge to hear. I'm somewhat shocked.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Did you think Proksa just underestimated him? Or do you think Proksa is/was overrated? To beat Sebastian Sylvester, a perennial top ten middleweight, in the way Proksa did, even if he was on the the slide, was super impressive. Geale beat him, but it took Geale 12 rounds, and Geale is a world titlist. To then lose to Kerry Hope is suprising to say the least. It has to be the biggest upset in British boxing in a while. I bet it will be the biggest upset this year in British boxing.
he is very accurate and hits hard but didnt throw even nearly as much as hope
Proksa said he didn't see anything because of the cut and that his regular coach wasn't there. In some interviews prior to the fight there were some vague hints of him being ill followed by the typical "everything is all right now".
I definitely wouldn't risk putting my money on Hope in a rematch.
Was defo not a robbery. Best man on the night won.
Had never seen Hope before, but he looked very sharp, I would not have thought he was the challenger from watching it.
Hope was caught cold early, but soon warmed and pretty much dominated.
maybe the point hope was deducted was justified but 2 rounds later proksa hit him twice after the bell which i thought was worse than what hope did
did anyone else think proksa was looking for a way out in the 11th?
Yeah me and my mate did.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
But then suprisingly came out and fought until the final bell in the 12th
I had Hope winning it - Proska was awful!
I thought Proksa won but it definitely wasn't a robbery. I agree with virtually every single thing J_C said in this thread.
No way that was the same fighter from previous fights. He was knackered far too early as well as being rubbish. That was meant to be a gimme (he just resigned a deal with Matchroom). They clearly took the piss in training. He wins the rematch.
You have overrated Proska from the start. It is nowhere near the biggest upset in British boxing, because as has been said by many, Proska while fighting in Britain, is not British, has no wish to be British, and has very few British fans. Other than Sylvester who of note has Proska beaten ? :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWow. That is huge to hear. I'm somewhat shocked.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Did you think Proksa just underestimated him? Or do you think Proksa is/was overrated? To beat Sebastian Sylvester, a perennial top ten middleweight, in the way Proksa did, even if he was on the the slide, was super impressive. Geale beat him, but it took Geale 12 rounds, and Geale is a world titlist. To then lose to Kerry Hope is suprising to say the least. It has to be the biggest upset in British boxing in a while. I bet it will be the biggest upset this year in British boxing.
What Proska is very predictable loading up with big punches, Hope did take quite a few big punchesQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzYou have overrated Proska from the start. It is nowhere near the biggest upset in British boxing, because as has been said by many, Proska while fighting in Britain, is not British, has no wish to be British, and has very few British fans. Other than Sylvester who of note has Proska beaten ? :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWow. That is huge to hear. I'm somewhat shocked.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Did you think Proksa just underestimated him? Or do you think Proksa is/was overrated? To beat Sebastian Sylvester, a perennial top ten middleweight, in the way Proksa did, even if he was on the the slide, was super impressive. Geale beat him, but it took Geale 12 rounds, and Geale is a world titlist. To then lose to Kerry Hope is suprising to say the least. It has to be the biggest upset in British boxing in a while. I bet it will be the biggest upset this year in British boxing.
and he did fight out of his skin. Kerry may not hold the title for long but good luck to him.
Proska was lucky Hope was not a puncher, if he had have been he would not have seen round 12 some fighters are overrated Proska is one for sure.
Agree. He was never as good as the hype he was gettingQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzYou have overrated Proska from the start. It is nowhere near the biggest upset in British boxing, because as has been said by many, Proska while fighting in Britain, is not British, has no wish to be British, and has very few British fans. Other than Sylvester who of note has Proska beaten ? :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWow. That is huge to hear. I'm somewhat shocked.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Did you think Proksa just underestimated him? Or do you think Proksa is/was overrated? To beat Sebastian Sylvester, a perennial top ten middleweight, in the way Proksa did, even if he was on the the slide, was super impressive. Geale beat him, but it took Geale 12 rounds, and Geale is a world titlist. To then lose to Kerry Hope is suprising to say the least. It has to be the biggest upset in British boxing in a while. I bet it will be the biggest upset this year in British boxing.
Clearly, I have overrated Proksa. I'll eat crow. I didn't think he had a huge upside because he's a small middleweight, but I thought he would do well on the domestic level, mostly because of his win over Sylvester. He shocked me by knocking out Sylvester in vicious fashion. That is the only real name on his record, but when they made that fight, I thought they were putting him in too deep, too fast. Hope is no Sylvester, which is why I thought his was a stay-busy fight to lead into a fight with Murray, Barker, Macklin etc. I'm pretty sure Hope was a 10-1 underdog (or more) for this fight.
It is the biggest upset involving two fighters based out of Britain, and one British this year. Better?
You know, on the night I thought Hope looked a fair bit bigger and Proksa maybe looked a division smaller. Strange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Having seen Proksa a few times before, he may be overrated, but there was defo something amiss against Hope. Hope almost had him out of there a couple of times I thought and Hopes record of one KO tells it all.
Anyway, It was a great great fight and one of my favs of the year. Hope fought a great fight and didn't let up and stayed focused, he deserved the shout for me.
I actually think there will be a rematch and order will be restored. Proksa stops him second time round.
Not that i've been on here much lately, but I haven't seen Mick around for a while. He waas real high on Proksa and has been for some considerable time. Anyone know whether he's commented since the Hope loss??
I haven't seen Mick on in a bit either. He hasn't commented on this loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMacMagicianYou know, on the night I thought Hope looked a fair bit bigger and Proksa maybe looked a division smaller. Strange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Having seen Proksa a few times before, he may be overrated, but there was defo something amiss against Hope. Hope almost had him out of there a couple of times I thought and Hopes record of one KO tells it all.
Anyway, It was a great great fight and one of my favs of the year. Hope fought a great fight and didn't let up and stayed focused, he deserved the shout for me.
I actually think there will be a rematch and order will be restored. Proksa stops him second time round.
Not that i've been on here much lately, but I haven't seen Mick around for a while. He waas real high on Proksa and has been for some considerable time. Anyone know whether he's commented since the Hope loss??
So who do people think is the second-best fighter at middleweight?
The Ring has Geale as next after Martinez (followed by Sturm, whom I don't think anyone thinks is truly the third-best MW in the world).. I confess I've never seen Geale fight but Sylvester is the *only* name I recognize on his resume. It's a super-thin division, huh?
It depends on how you look at it. If we are talking strictly talent, not factoring records into it etc., in my estimation, Sergio Martinez sits atop the division with Pirog and Golovkin, or vice versa, behind him. Geale follows them up. Then comes Sturm, but I don't see the current Sturm as a real entity in the division because he won't fight anyone worth a damn (like the current Chris John at featherweight), trailing behind Sturm is Macklin. After that, Darren Barker, Andy Lee, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and Peter Quillin, not necessarily in the correct order. I'm leaving out Hasan N'Jikam because I'm not too familiar with him, although I know he has a decent pedigree, as he was an Olympian. I'm not sure where Kelly Pavlik and Arthur Abraham would fit into the mix if they can to get back to 160. Mundine is also at middleweight now.Quote:
Originally Posted by shza
As far as Sergio's next opponent, assuming it isn't Chavez Jr., I like Geale or Lee. Geale has stated he wants to invade the US Market and Lee has earned a title shot.
I say GolovkinQuote:
Originally Posted by shza