Is there ANYBODY here that likes both Pac AND Floyd?

Seems so predictable to me. If you like Pac... you hate and dis Floyd. If you're a Floyd fan... you got no use for Pac. Is there anyone out there that is willing to objectively give each fighter their due? Really... it gets old to hear the same hashed over arguments from the fanatics on both sides. Can't they both be good and worthy? I admire both as fighters. A fight between them would've been something to see.... had it happened eons ago when it was supposed to. But years of waiting and hearing all of their bullshit has eroded most of the interest I ever had in the fight, and now it looks like it'll never happen.

And while I admire both as fighters, I also feel the need to criticize different things in each. For instance, Floyd hasn't been busy enough. If he fought as much as he talks... and carries on with ridiculous shit like fighting "Big Show" and Dancing with the Stars... he'd be better liked and have more fans. And he HAS had his share of cherry-picking, like when he fought Juan Manuel Marquez at a weight that was at least two divisions over what JMM should have any business fighting. But I'll give him credit for taking on Miguel Cotto, in a fight where obviously he'll be favored, but should still be a tough fight.

With Pac, I have to criticize the fact that he could've honestly done more to make himself available to Floyd back when the controversy over the blood testing came up. Hey dude... just get yourself stuck with a needle and be done with it. Otherwise, it just looks suspicious. But I do give him credit for keeping busy and taking on many of the big names. DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Margarito... quite an impressive list.

But anyway... I shouldn't throw stones when I live in a glass house. After all... I've got NOTHING good to say about the likes of Margarito.

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I have a ton of respect for both guys. Outside of the ring Pacquiao seems like the nicer, more genuine person, but no one is a saint.

Yep.
I also like being out in the pissing rain and in the full sun;both make the other seem better, yet they wont meet.

Two saddo'ers I know are pretty objective.
But I bet the thread ends up being shorter rather than longer.

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Love or hate, you cant deny the skill and excitement they have both bought to the sport in different ways.

I like en both . Pacs a better fighter floyds a better boxer is all

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Love or hate, you cant deny the skill and excitement they have both bought to the sport in different ways.

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There also destroying the sport by avoiding each other. What other sport out there has two top players or teams that dont play/fight each other. I cant think of any bar boxing.

Yeah I like them both. Love to hate Floyd's out of the ring antics, but feel very happy to have witnessed most of both of their careers.

I can not understand how anyone can respect Floyd, never mind like the man.

Disregarding him going to jail thrice, 1,2,3 times for beating women.
His posing and smack talk outside of the ring.

Just judging him as a boxer.

He has dodged a lot of fights, his unbeaten record means nothing to me.

Floyd was offered 50million usd, to fight Pac, he declined, his "record" means nothing to me.

Yes he can box, but as a boxer is a joke, his unbeaten record is a joke and as a person I have zero respect for the thug.


The only thing he is good at is running his mouth and running away from competitive fights.

How can you not like Pac, very genuine person and one of the best boxers P4P for a number of years.
Although his best years are behind him.

Oddly enough I am beginning to respect Floyd more and liking Pac Man less. :-\

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Love or hate, you cant deny the skill and excitement they have both bought to the sport in different ways.

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There also destroying the sport by avoiding each other. What other sport out there has two top players or teams that dont play/fight each other. I cant think of any bar boxing.

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They are destroying what could be a big part of this era and a huge part of one of their own legacies but the sport is way bigger than both of them.

It could be both of their problems one day dieing without knowing.

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Love or hate, you cant deny the skill and excitement they have both bought to the sport in different ways.

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There also destroying the sport by avoiding each other. What other sport out there has two top players or teams that dont play/fight each other. I cant think of any bar boxing.

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They are destroying what could be a big part of this era and a huge part of one of their own legacies but the sport is way bigger than both of them.

It could be both of their problems one day dieing without knowing.

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Nothing less than I expect from Floyd Fair-Weather

Got to protect that unbeaten record ;)

As I stated he got offer 50million usd with a guarantee of 50% of profits.

Floyd ducking fights is nothing new.

I have no hate I am simply stating the facts.

I like both guys in the ring but I couldn't care less about what they do in their personal life's.

Both are amazing fighters and boxing will be a duller place without them... but as people outside of the ring I can not stand floyd he comes across as a classless scumbag and would love to seem him get sparked in a round by Cotto ;D

oh and great Rain Sun analogy @Andre :cool:

I'm a fan of both fighters. When people ask me who my favorite fighters are in real life, they think I'm crazy when I name both.

Haha TitoFan, I knew your question even though benign in nature would end up as a mudslinging show.

They are definitely two of the most important AND most polarizing figures in the sport today, that being said I believe both have accomplished amazing things in their careers and have benefited the sport. I also believe neither one has their heart in the game anymore and haven't for a while now. I really don't care to debate what I've just said as it's my opinion. It's time for both to retire and for some new faces to step in.

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Seems so predictable to me. If you like Pac... you hate and dis Floyd. If you're a Floyd fan... you got no use for Pac. Is there anyone out there that is willing to objectively give each fighter their due? Really... it gets old to hear the same hashed over arguments from the fanatics on both sides. Can't they both be good and worthy? I admire both as fighters. A fight between them would've been something to see.... had it happened eons ago when it was supposed to. But years of waiting and hearing all of their bullshit has eroded most of the interest I ever had in the fight, and now it looks like it'll never happen.

And while I admire both as fighters, I also feel the need to criticize different things in each. For instance, Floyd hasn't been busy enough. If he fought as much as he talks... and carries on with ridiculous shit like fighting "Big Show" and Dancing with the Stars... he'd be better liked and have more fans. And he HAS had his share of cherry-picking, like when he fought Juan Manuel Marquez at a weight that was at least two divisions over what JMM should have any business fighting. But I'll give him credit for taking on Miguel Cotto, in a fight where obviously he'll be favored, but should still be a tough fight.

With Pac, I have to criticize the fact that he could've honestly done more to make himself available to Floyd back when the controversy over the blood testing came up. Hey dude... just get yourself stuck with a needle and be done with it. Otherwise, it just looks suspicious. But I do give him credit for keeping busy and taking on many of the big names. DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Margarito... quite an impressive list.

But anyway... I shouldn't throw stones when I live in a glass house. After all... I've got NOTHING good to say about the likes of Margarito.

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The short of it is, I've just never been a fan of Mayweather, and never will be.

Pacquiao on the other hand is one of my favorite fighters, so my answer is no, but that's just me.

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Haha TitoFan, I knew your question even though benign in nature would end up as a mudslinging show.

They are definitely two of the most important AND most polarizing figures in the sport today, that being said I believe both have accomplished amazing things in their careers and have benefited the sport. I also believe neither one has their heart in the game anymore and haven't for a while now. I really don't care to debate what I've just said as it's my opinion. It's time for both to retire and for some new faces to step in.

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I think that is especially true about Mayweather. He has seemed pretty disgusted with the sport for a long time and has been talking about only caring about the money for at least half a decade. If he wanted to, he could have cemented his legacy as one of the best fighters ever, but he just seems to lack a certain passion. I don't really blame him for it, it's an absurd sport in a lot of ways.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Haha TitoFan, I knew your question even though benign in nature would end up as a mudslinging show.

They are definitely two of the most important AND most polarizing figures in the sport today, that being said I believe both have accomplished amazing things in their careers and have benefited the sport. I also believe neither one has their heart in the game anymore and haven't for a while now. I really don't care to debate what I've just said as it's my opinion. It's time for both to retire and for some new faces to step in.

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Shhhhh..... just trying to stir the pot a little here. ;D


Seriously tho, I give both fighters their just due. It's just that Floyd has done more to alienate a certain fan base than Pacquaio has. No hate... no fanboyism. Just plain ol' opinion. Doesn't mean I don't respect what both have done in the ring. And it doesn't mean I think of either of being without fault.

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Haha TitoFan, I knew your question even though benign in nature would end up as a mudslinging show.

They are definitely two of the most important AND most polarizing figures in the sport today, that being said I believe both have accomplished amazing things in their careers and have benefited the sport. I also believe neither one has their heart in the game anymore and haven't for a while now. I really don't care to debate what I've just said as it's my opinion. It's time for both to retire and for some new faces to step in.

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I think that is especially true about Mayweather. He has seemed pretty disgusted with the sport for a long time and has been talking about only caring about the money for at least half a decade. If he wanted to, he could have cemented his legacy as one of the best fighters ever, but he just seems to lack a certain passion. I don't really blame him for it, it's an absurd sport in a lot of ways.

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I think it's just as true about Pacquiao, he has seemed uninterested in his fights since becoming a senator or mayor or whatever he is. True he has fought more often, but "I'm just doing my job" is what he says after his fights.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Haha TitoFan, I knew your question even though benign in nature would end up as a mudslinging show.

They are definitely two of the most important AND most polarizing figures in the sport today, that being said I believe both have accomplished amazing things in their careers and have benefited the sport. I also believe neither one has their heart in the game anymore and haven't for a while now. I really don't care to debate what I've just said as it's my opinion. It's time for both to retire and for some new faces to step in.

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I think that is especially true about Mayweather. He has seemed pretty disgusted with the sport for a long time and has been talking about only caring about the money for at least half a decade. If he wanted to, he could have cemented his legacy as one of the best fighters ever, but he just seems to lack a certain passion. I don't really blame him for it, it's an absurd sport in a lot of ways.

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I think it's just as true about Pacquiao, he has seemed uninterested in his fights since becoming a senator or mayor or whatever he is. True he has fought more often, but "I'm just doing my job" is what he says after his fights.

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I think he might well feel that way now, it certainly seems that way, but a few years ago when he was moving up in weight and beating the shit out of everyone he sure looked like a guy who had a passion for the sport. Mayweather, to me, has seemed disillusioned for a much longer time.

Not me. I hate Floyd with a passion!!!!!

Moderately like PAcman, quite dislike Floyd here.

I dislike them both. They are both egomaniacs who pick and choose their opponents too carefully for my liking. Thankfully it all went wrong against Marquez last time out for Pac.

Clearly there are plenty of people on here who like both boxers and enjoy watching them fight, it's just you dont see them posting what Manny Pacquiao had for breakfast this morning or how many days Mayweather might spend in jail next month:gay5:. Its the posters with some bizzare emotional investement that you have to wonder about, would one bother to nitpick at these guys the way some posters do if they didn't have wet dreams for the other? The worst part of it all is that both Floyd and Manny are almost as useless out of the ring as they are capable in it, hard to seperate the wheat from the chaff in that little soap opera I'd say.

I admire both for their boxing talent. They are genuine all-time great fighters. People that try and pull apart their records just because they don't like them are pathetic IMO.

I couldn't care less about their actual personalities. I don't know them. I have no desire to know them. They are just ordinary flawed human beings like everyone else. Being extremely talented at boxing doesn't change that fact. Fact.

for a non boxing fan or a bxoing fan outside america its probably not a big deal

i dont really mind

i dont like andre ward due to the love he is getting despite his boring negative tactics

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I couldn't care less about their actual personalities. I don't know them. I have no desire to know them. They are just ordinary flawed human beings like everyone else. Being extremely talented at boxing doesn't change that fact. Fact.

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I think this is the part that most people forget when judging them both, especially Floyd.

It's a shame because yes, I was (and really still am) a fan of both fighters and their styles. Seeing a Floyd Mayweather match got me back into boxing but I also liked watching Pacquiaos fights too.

I think I just ended up finding myself having to defend Floyd more often from the ridiculous comments made by the waves of Pactards on a regular basis.

Most who know nothing of boxing but just want to be patriotic. Fine, but I found myself having to remind them constantly of Pacquios flaws and Floyds positives to balance up the equation.

So I find myself being more negative towards Pacquiao than I would like because of how OTT the Pactards are.

One would have you believe that Floyd is a war criminal whilst Pacquiao is a saint.

This annoys me too. They both have good and bad like most human beings - Floyd "might" have been involved in domestic violence where as Pac "might" have cheated on his wife a few times. Both psycholgically damaging things to put someone through.

Both fighters have excellent resumes but both have cherry picked a fair amount too especially in the latter part of their careers. (I actually think Floyds has got stronger since he returned)

Floyd does charity work on a regular basis, pays for peoples funerals etc

They're both great fighters and can't see how anybody could not respect them both at least inside that squared circle.

You have to have standards on issues like this and that is why I dislike them both. I can respect what they have done, but I don't have to like them. Floyd is a goon and Pac seems to be so as well. It's more fun to polarise and make it us against them and so that is what I do. My levels of dislike go up and down, but I typically remain on one side of the compass.

Floyd has skills, but he is good at making you dislike him and Pac huggers over the years have done much the same. It's all good fun.

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You have to have standards on issues like this and that is why I dislike them both. I can respect what they have done, but I don't have to like them. Floyd is a goon and Pac seems to be so as well. It's more fun to polarise and make it us against them and so that is what I do. My levels of dislike go up and down, but I typically remain on one side of the compass.

Floyd has skills, but he is good at making you dislike him and Pac huggers over the years have done much the same. It's all good fun.

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What's undeniable is how both Pac and Floyd have been great for boxing, if nothing else look at all the interest and money they've generated for the sport.

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You have to have standards on issues like this and that is why I dislike them both. I can respect what they have done, but I don't have to like them. Floyd is a goon and Pac seems to be so as well. It's more fun to polarise and make it us against them and so that is what I do. My levels of dislike go up and down, but I typically remain on one side of the compass.

Floyd has skills, but he is good at making you dislike him and Pac huggers over the years have done much the same. It's all good fun.

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What's undeniable is how both Pac and Floyd have been great for boxing, if nothing else look at all the interest and money they've generated for the sport.

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Money isn't such a big factor to me. Neither is the armchair viewer.

It isn't as though boxing ever respects viewers.