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Froch with a stoppage late in the fight.
I've had to go with my head and say Bute. But Bute has not been in the big fights that Froch has, even the Biggest Bute fan must admit that. Froch also has very good footwork, Ward smothered Froch every chance he got and used his speed to stop Froch bringing that into play.
It's going to be close, I think if Froch takes Bute into unknown territory and Bute shows heart, then all the better for him. What I don't want to see is that Froch is on the decline and the fight becomes a walk over.
Bute must put the hurt on to Froch's body early on becaue Bute does tend to tire out as his fighting style is very draining. In all Honestly I think the fight will be decided in the first four rounds. Not due to a KO but because by then you'll see who came in the ring with a better plan.
That said and done I think Bute will do exactly that and slow froch to a crawl where he's reduced to pop shotting and counter punching.
Froch will fight as he normally doe's, and gets out boxed again he could get lucky and ko Bute but its
a big ask, Froch will always have trouble with slick boxers and Bute will be far to slick for him.;)
People talk about Bute's power , but i think he hits alot harder than Jermain Taylor , so he could hurt Froch , it will likely be on points but Bute could stop the wide open Froch for my money.
I do admire Froch , he really is a throw back to an era when fighting the best out there mattered more than keeping an unbeaten rocord.
Froch by stoppage late on probolly behaind on points.
Problem with that call is that once Bute gets comfortable, he coasts. Just see his fight with Glen Johnson. It's a very tough fight for me to call. I don't believe it's a coincidence that I'm excited about it. Bute has speed and speed has been Froch's downfall before. Froch is a cagey veteran though. I'm just up in the air. I voted Bute by KO, but it's not too hard to imagine an upset for Froch to resurrect his career. I'd be surprised, and impressed, if Bute completely walked through Froch. I actually don't even think that is possible, a dominant decision for Bute, perhaps, but not like a 5 round knockout, not over someone as wiley as Froch.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
I agree with that. I picked Bute to take it on points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
I changed my vote to Bute.
I hope Froch points.
I like Froch he is a top lad who will fight anyone, but i cant see him beating Bute
who i think is a class act .
You can't coast with a pressure fighter as aggressive as froch, from is smarter than Andrade and doesn't march into punches.look at how awkward froch is against dirrell and Magee and they are great southpaws, frochs uppercut in close could be more devastating to bute than butes uppercuts. If froch gets close to bute he will take everything he learned from ward with him.
If froch is on form then he wins but if he loses it's cos he didnt turn up.
After reading the comments on this thread who is even the favorate in this fight?
I always thought Froch was but it seems a 50/50 fight in most people eyes.
This is not a 50-50 fight.. Bute wins easy
Bute by late stoppage, Froch is too slow and his defense ain't good enough to deal with Bute's speed and power on a southpaw stance.
Actually, Bute never tired in a 12 rounds fight except against Andrade in the very last round because he tried to play the bulldozer in order to please the crowd. bank on it: He won't lack any energy during the whole fight and as Froch doesn't have Andrade bull's jaw and style, he won't drain him down in the last third.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavilaJones
Butes fight vs magee he was very sharp (3 kd's) but I couldn't get the feeling out of my head that he was very drained as the rounds went on even though he wasnt in a fast paced fight.
That being said I still think Bute wins it.
I totally agree with that. In that respect he puts a lot of top boxers to shame. No matter what with Froch you know he will do everything he can to win and even if he can hardly stand, he wont give up. He is like a real Rocky. Unfortunately he takes as many punches in the face as Rocky did in his fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Froch stoppage!
Your favorite SMW disagrees: Dirrell Says Froch Beats Bute, Talks Andre Ward, More - Boxing NewsQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Dirrell is bound to say that Froch beats Bute beacuse Froch beat him. I think Bute is far too quick for Froch and is definitely the better boxer. Froch hasn't KO'd anybody at world level unless you count Taylor who just didn't have the stamina to finish twelve rounds -- while he was operating at full speed he easily outboxed Froch and put him down. I think Bute could even stop Froch, Froch looked slow in his last fight and Bute has more power than Taylor.
Froch matched dirrells Roy jones speed with amazing timing. Bute fights to a pattern that he can't change on and off!! Froch will naturally time him as he began timing ward, dirrell has twice the speed of bute and with equal power. Froch and his Ben grim chin will stop bute.
That will be the key to Froch winning, timing his shots. Most of the top fighters know Froch is slow and think they can out box him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
i think froch has got it in him to pull out perhaps one last top level performance
people seem to think bute has some thunderous power
wheres the evidence of this? is it coz he has knock out a bunch of second tier fighters who have all been knocked out before? and quicker?
one result that wont happen in Bute KO
the most likely results are froch KO and Bute on points
Bute UD unless Froch gets a hometown decision like he did against Dirrell. Bute will be more offensive than Dirrell was though, so it will be harder to justify a BS points decision for Froch.
Zero chance of Froch KO'ing Bute. As someone above pointed out, Froch does not have KO power against top-level guys. It remains to be seen whether Bute does -- but even if he does, Froch has about as good a chin as anyone.
I think Bute stops him,,,,,Froch leaves himself wide open and Bute has becoma master at beating the body and his uppercut is one of if the the best in the game today....He will need a stoppage to get the win
would Froch have won the Dirrell fight if it was located elsewhere? I find it not to be a particularly eggregious decision considering Dirrell often toes the line between boxing and plain running (and did so in that fight).Quote:
Originally Posted by shza
It isn't as if Froch hasn't been on the other end of a similar decision. Froch vs Kessler was a fight where Kessler is going to get the close rounds at home and if it was in the UK, Froch would have gotten them.
Sadly that is how boxing is judged now. It used to be you could count on a judge to reward aggression in the close rounds. Not that I like aggression that much but it is better than the current rules.
Now, you can just use the following rules:
1-hometown fighter-give him the close rounds
2-if fight is not in anyone's hometown-give the "bigger name fighter" the close rounds.
Devon Alexander getting questionable decisions in St. Louis. Cloud getting decision over Campillo. PW getting decision over Lara.
And it isn't just whether the right winner was selected by the judges. How many fights do you see now where the "hometown" or "bigger name" fighter wins 118-110, 118-110, and 118-110(10 rounds to 2 ). And every person watching and scoring online (fans or boxing writers), score it 114-114 up to 116-112. Freaking judges get the right winner if you aren't going to score it a draw, but they have it as a wide fight and they are fucking wrong.
So tired of the 3 judges being the only ones on Earth that score a fight the way that they score it.
if there is one fight i have watched in the last 30 years where i feel a fighter has truely deserved to lose a the decision it is dirrell when he fought froch
that wasnt a home towm decision and i hope judges take precedent and if there is ever another fight where a fighter runs to that extreme he is disqualified before we get to the scores
Good call. His two highest level opponents, Johnson and Bika, Bute beat on points. The next level down in opposition, Bute has knocked out, Berrio, Andrade, Magee, Miranda etc. Froch definitely is in the first group.Quote:
Originally Posted by shza
On the same note, Froch's chin and power are a bit overrated. Froch has been shook before, in the Dirrell and Taylor fights, and like Bute, Froch hasn't scored a knockout over elite competition, unless you count Taylor. Also, other than in his amateur fight with Gennady Golovkin, Bute has never been visibly shook by a single punch and he has never been down from a single punch. I give full credit to Andrade for hurting Bute, but it was obvious to me that it was a result of Bute's fatigue and a barrage of punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Consequently, I see a few different outcomes. Bute could knock out Froch if he catches him when Froch doesn't see the punch, due to its speed, like in the Dirrell and Taylor fights. Bute could outbox Froch and win on points, like he did against Glen Johnson and Sakio Bika. Alternatively, Froch could win a narrow decision in his hometown, like he did in the Dirrell fight, or Froch could wear Bute down, like Andrade did.
Every opponent Froch faces gives him credit as a tough man. I just think styles make fights and Froch has trouble with slick, fast fighters. I thought Dirrell fought a horrible fight against Froch. I somewhat attribute this to his immaturity at the time, but it may also just be a flaw of Dirrell's. For whatever natural fighting ability he possesses, he may lack a champion's heart and desire. It's yet to be seen. In that fight, Froch was the man, Dirrell the teenager. Back to the point, there were moments in that fight, when Dirrell wasn't holding or running, that he completely outboxed and Froch didn't have an answer to his hand speed. Ward's speed also gave Froch problems, as did Taylor's. I see this playing out like the Taylor fight, and the question will be can (1) Bute finish Froch when he catches him unexpectedly like Taylor did and (2) will Bute wilt down the stretch like Taylor did.
yep those other outcomes could happen but unlikelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Id say froch wasnt at any point near being knocked out against taylor, yep he went down to a couple of good punches
the only time i have seen him shook up was against dirrell and froch was chasing him down and it was a punch plus frochs forward momentum
What i think about this fight is bute hasnt been tested at anywhere near the level froch is at, he might be as good as everyone is saying but currently he is overrated
froch is underated, people have him down as a plodder but in reality he has lost 2 fights at the very highest level one of which was a debateable decision
my one bet is going on a froch late stoppage, bute will burn more energy than normal in the first 3 quarters of the fight as he is away from home in his first elite level fight and froch will get stronger and stronger
he did ruin Andrade who nobody else has ever been able to shake off seriously, that should already say something.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
If Bute wins, which is no foregone conclusion, given that Ward's best wins are over Froch and Kessler, and Kessler has left the division, can Bute do anything to claim #1 in the division, other than fight Ward? Does Bute climb into the bottom half of the top ten p4p rankings with a win? Assuming again that Bute wins, Ward is in there facing the same level of competition, other than Kessler.
I agree that fights was awful simply because Dirrell would not fight and stank the place out. It would have been awful for boxing if Dirrell got the decision. Froch physically forced that fight and I was so glad he got the deserved decision. Bute is bigger and better than Dirrell and I expect he will bring it to Froch.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Anybody who saw the Froch Dirrell presser knows Dirrell was absolutely shitting himself. Search for the thread on this board and you'll probably find a youtube of the head to head when Dirrell completely lost it and was pulled away by his own promoter. Dirrell was a young prospect who did not fancy fighting Froch in his hometown and it showed in the fight. Bute actually volunteered to have the fight in England. He owns the belt and has the biggest commercial pull so could have easily made Froch fight in Montreal but actually wanted to fight in Froch's back yard. That's a confident prime fighter fighting a guy who is on the slide. The only way Bute loses is if he gets robbed by the judges.
Who do you guys think the winner should fight? Bute vs Ward seems like the next logical step for both fighters, one has excellent poise and craft, the other brings in the $$$. However if Froch wins do you gents think that a rematch would be in order?