Pac and Martinez to beat Floyd?
pac beats floyd? you honestly think pac can absorb punishment the way cotto can? pac is a pressure fighter who's defense is his offence. cotto is used to being in wars where he gives as good as he gets. he's like a tank, he'll roll thru anything to get a chance to connect. pac throws punches to avoid getting hit by punches. mayweather would counter the lunging and off balance pac all night and pac would wilt over the middle rounds. he'd throw fewer and fewer punches until mayweather stalked him and took him out.
remember if they were to fight, there would be no doubt pac would not be on steroids.
as for martinez, you think he has the defense to take floyd? you think floyd's going to give him a chance to throw that giant arching left hook everyone has a hard on for? floyd would be on the other side of the ring by the time that thing came even close to it's intended target. floyd would probably only agree to fight him at a ridiculous catch weight of 152lbs or so... ensuring that martinez was weight drained and lacked stamina. a weight drained martinez is slower and weaker, can't absorb the laser like punches of mayweather and gets taken out in the late rounds.
i have to remind you, martinez, like pac wouyld not be on steroids if he fought mayweather... just something to consider.
the outcomes are easy to predict.
Re: Pac and Martinez to beat Floyd?
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armin
Dude some of your posts are inane, loopin right of martinez, wtf you be smokin???
what? who said looping right? you need to practice your reading skills.
Re: Pac and Martinez to beat Floyd?
The winner of a fight is never predetermined I have Floyd favourite other both though.
Re: Pac and Martinez to beat Floyd?
I think Floyd beats both if he sticks to boxing and doesn't try to fight the way he did against Cotto But Martinez is a very risky and tough fight which I wouldn't put my money on.
Re: Pac and Martinez to beat Floyd?
If you were watching Floyd made the fight a bit competitive, by standing toe to toe with Cotto Floyd
was punch perfect for the first 6 rounds. Then he just changed tactics he won the fight well I feel
he could have made it a lot easy er. Floyd can made extremely good fighters look ordainer that's what
he done with Cotto. Floyd defence is second to none you got to hit him to beat him, he has way to much
for Pac and Martinez.!
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ruthless rocco
pac beats floyd? you honestly think pac can absorb punishment the way cotto can? pac is a pressure fighter who's defense is his offence. cotto is used to being in wars where he gives as good as he gets. he's like a tank, he'll roll thru anything to get a chance to connect. pac throws punches to avoid getting hit by punches. mayweather would counter the lunging and off balance pac all night and pac would wilt over the middle rounds. he'd throw fewer and fewer punches until mayweather stalked him and took him out.
remember if they were to fight, there would be no doubt pac would not be on steroids.
as for martinez, you think he has the defense to take floyd? you think floyd's going to give him a chance to throw that giant arching left hook everyone has a hard on for? floyd would be on the other side of the ring by the time that thing came even close to it's intended target. floyd would probably only agree to fight him at a ridiculous catch weight of 152lbs or so... ensuring that martinez was weight drained and lacked stamina. a weight drained martinez is slower and weaker, can't absorb the laser like punches of mayweather and gets taken out in the late rounds.
i have to remind you, martinez, like pac wouyld not be on steroids if he fought mayweather... just something to consider.
the outcomes are easy to predict.
Are you trying to say that Martinez is on steroids? Do you have any evidence to back this up?
Re: Pac and Martinez to beat Floyd?
Martinez - First fight against Pw, he used right hook to the body and head to great effect. He varied the left as well, often throwing a very short sneaky lead left.
Martinez is much more than just a left hand.
Martinez has more speed and power than Floyd.
Martinez vs Floyd-martinez slight favorite
Re: Pac and Martinez to beat Floyd?
If Mayweather fights Pacquiao the way he fights Cotto, then I see it as a more competitive fight.
If Mayweather fights Pacquiao the way Marquez fought Pacquiao, then he will dominate the match.
But my above assessment can change depending on the Pacquiao-Bradley fight. It will give me an idea as to how much slippage Manny has gone through.
Below 154, Martinez is no match for Mayweather. Above that Floyd is toast.
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ruthless rocco
pac beats floyd? you honestly think pac can absorb punishment the way cotto can? pac is a pressure fighter who's defense is his offence. cotto is used to being in wars where he gives as good as he gets. he's like a tank, he'll roll thru anything to get a chance to connect. pac throws punches to avoid getting hit by punches. mayweather would counter the lunging and off balance pac all night and pac would wilt over the middle rounds. he'd throw fewer and fewer punches until mayweather stalked him and took him out.
remember if they were to fight, there would be no doubt pac would not be on steroids.
as for martinez, you think he has the defense to take floyd? you think floyd's going to give him a chance to throw that giant arching left hook everyone has a hard on for? floyd would be on the other side of the ring by the time that thing came even close to it's intended target. floyd would probably only agree to fight him at a ridiculous catch weight of 152lbs or so... ensuring that martinez was weight drained and lacked stamina. a weight drained martinez is slower and weaker, can't absorb the laser like punches of mayweather and gets taken out in the late rounds.
i have to remind you, martinez, like pac wouyld not be on steroids if he fought mayweather... just something to consider.
the outcomes are easy to predict.
Are you trying to say that Martinez is on steroids? Do you have any evidence to back this up?
not at all. i'm saying he won't be on steroids if he fights mayweather.
Re: Pac and Martinez to beat Floyd?
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InTheNeutralCorner
If Mayweather fights Pacquiao the way he fights Cotto, then I see it as a more competitive fight.
If Mayweather fights Pacquiao the way Marquez fought Pacquiao, then he will dominate the match.
But my above assessment can change depending on the Pacquiao-Bradley fight. It will give me an idea as to how much slippage Manny has gone through.
Below 154, Martinez is no match for Mayweather. Above that Floyd is toast.
If floyd would agree to 154, Martinez would take it in a second. He is still a 154 pounder fighting at 160. And Martinezc could make 154. Martinez weighed 165 pounds against barker int he ring. Last night- mosley-164, canelo-167.
Re: Pac and Martinez to beat Floyd?
Neither Pac or Martinez will beat Floyd if the fight takes place this year. PBF is 35 and needs the Pac fight in 2012 not next year. Pacman is looking battle weary and it will be very interesting to see how he comes up against Bradley. Floyd has 1 maybe 2 fights left in him, but he sure knows how to beat these predictable fighters, Cotto fought well, but Floyd was never really in jeopardy throughout the fight. Pacman is unpredictable so that might cause him some concern, but Floyd is so good defensively i just can't see Pacman hitting the target enough to win.
Martinez is not in the same class and at 154 loses a wide UD to Floyd.
Re: Pac and Martinez to beat Floyd?
I think Martinez gets destroyed. He hangs back too much giving Floyd plenty of chance to pick him off. However if he lands with one of his super punches who knows. I think Pac has a better chance as he is a pressure fighter and would be on top of Floyd all night. Floyd does not like pressure.
Re: Pac and Martinez to beat Floyd?
I've always favored Floyd over Martinez and Pacquiao. With Martinez, the weight would come into play, the higher the weight, the more likely Martinez has the chance of pulling the upset. I still may favor Floyd, even at 160, but its a closer fight than if it were at 150. Floyd doesn't believe in catch weights, at least that is what he stated prior to the Cotto fight, so it would be at 154.
The fight to make now is Cotto versus Martinez. Who do you like in that one?
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I just don't see Floyd fighting Martinez. The guy is too big for him. I mean what weight is this fight supposed to be at?
If Berto beats Ortiz in their rematch, I bet that's the next likely fight for Floyd.
Re: Pac and Martinez to beat Floyd?
as much as pac struggled with marquez the counter puncher. it's the same way pbf struggles a left hand linear punch not necessarily a jab. i believe pac has a good chance this time. pac has a left hand lead faster and more powerful than cotto i believe.
Re: Pac and Martinez to beat Floyd?
Every boxer has that one guy that he has, or could have, all the trouble in the world against. For Pac, it's marquez...and he stepped in the ring with the guy 3 times, good for him. I can definitely see Pac being that guy for Floyd, especially now. Hes a southpaw and he doesn't stop coming, and he has a slight slight age advantage. In the past, when I watched Floyd, as soon as his back touched those ropes, he moved, got back to open space. His last 5 fights or so he hasn't been doing that, he stays their and gets roughed up a bit. He even got it a little against Ortiz. It's these moments where I see Pacman doing alot of damage to Floyd because unlike Ortiz and Cotto, Pac won't let him out of there without paying a hefty toll. And that will start from Round 1. If Cotto can do that kind of damage to floyd, I think pac can increase it by 30% to 40%. And I think it would force Floyd into a slugfest in the later rounds, which is why I think the fight would be epic. As far as Martinez is concerned, I don't know how excited I could get for that fight. They're both counter punchers and would be waiting on eachother all night. The rumor is that Martinez has floated an offer to Mayweather where Mayweather would take 80% of the purse. But it's just a rumor.
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15rounder
Every boxer has that one guy that he has, or could have, all the trouble in the world against. For Pac, it's marquez...and he stepped in the ring with the guy 3 times, good for him. I can definitely see Pac being that guy for Floyd, especially now. Hes a southpaw and he doesn't stop coming, and he has a slight slight age advantage. In the past, when I watched Floyd, as soon as his back touched those ropes, he moved, got back to open space. His last 5 fights or so he hasn't been doing that, he stays their and gets roughed up a bit. He even got it a little against Ortiz. It's these moments where I see Pacman doing alot of damage to Floyd because unlike Ortiz and Cotto, Pac won't let him out of there without paying a hefty toll. And that will start from Round 1. If Cotto can do that kind of damage to floyd, I think pac can increase it by 30% to 40%. And I think it would force Floyd into a slugfest in the later rounds, which is why I think the fight would be epic. As far as Martinez is concerned, I don't know how excited I could get for that fight. They're both counter punchers and would be waiting on eachother all night. The rumor is that Martinez has floated an offer to Mayweather where Mayweather would take 80% of the purse. But it's just a rumor.
After the Marquez fight I thought PAC haszero chances after last saturday I can now say Pac is the better puncher/slugger. Make this a fight and PAC will hurt this guy.
