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Yep he is as much about building history (his story) as about the sport.
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He is a quality fighter, no doubt. Still hate the wanker but he is brilliant. He is so well conditioned, superb boxing skills and has confidence in the ring like no other fighter today. Only fighter at middleweight and age can beat him.
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He is a quality fighter, no doubt. Still hate the wanker but he is brilliant. He is so well conditioned, superb boxing skills and has confidence in the ring like no other fighter today. Only fighter at middleweight and age can beat him.
I can go with your views, to some people he's like Marmite covered sprouts.;D
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Agreed, he put on a hell of a performance in there, I really do hope he carrys on his career. I had such a good night with all of my mates that night , i finally ordered boxnation and had all my mates over watching the FA cup final and then the Mayweather fight was such a good day.
I hope he keeps fighting, I would love to see him fight either Pacquiao (bullshit aside, it's the fight we need to see) , Martinez at 154 or as a British fight fan in not too far future maybe Khan at 147? I feel bad for Khan after what has happened with Peterson, shocked is the only word that comes to mind really. What is Khan going to do now stay at 140 for one more fight and then move up to 147? Who is Khan going to fight in June? Interesting times really, I would be so pissed if i was Khan, I bet he worked hard for this rematch and has been completley shit on. Maybe Mayweather-Khan should maybe one day happen. I wouldnt mind Khan - Alexander at 147 either.
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In the ring he's a genius and there is no argument is possible there. Problem is his politics his arrogance and his personality. It's great that he's FINALLY fought Cotto but due to politics (and the ego's of himself and Arum) that fight is arguably 4 years too late (despite Cotto probably being a better fighter now than he was circa 2008).
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Nothing but respect for Mayweathers boxing ability, will go down as an ATG. Will be interesting to see where he is ranked in 20 years time.
Great chin, great footwork, great offence, great boxing brain. He knows the perfect strategy for each opponent. He has shown in tough fights if he has to dig deep then he will. He has been hit hard, took it well and come back and closed the show.
I can't think of anything missing from his repertoire.
I thought Cotto had a chance of winning but he was clearly beaten although he fought hard and well.I have picked against Mayweather a few times - not because I'm not a fan or even that I want him to lose it's sort of like a morbid curiosity wondering what it will take to beat him.
I agree with what's been said the only thing that beats Mayweather is complacency, father time or going one step too far and fighting someone who has a ridiculous size/weight advantage.
Skill wise no one can touch Mayweather. I think he will turn Pac on his head and stop him if he fights offensively and attacks mercilessly with bad intentions. That would put him top 3 GOAT.
Just my opinion. Good opening post.
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I agree with the beans. While he is a dirtbag outside of the ring, he is also a good clean fighter in the ring.
I'm one of those guys that despises Floyd Mayweather Jr. As a fighter, he is good, although he's been taking a few breaks and, in my opinion, shouldn't have even fought Ortiz. But as a person, Mayweather is trash. The guy has no respect at all. Burning money, flashing money all over the place, acting like he's better than everybody else, like he's God's gift to the world.
Why does Floyd need to act like that to be a star? Joe Louis was the perfect gentleman, and nothing Mayweather can ever do will ever amount to Louis's accomplishments and popularity in his day.
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I agree with the beans. While he is a dirtbag outside of the ring, he is also a good clean fighter in the ring.
I'm one of those guys that despises Floyd Mayweather Jr. As a fighter, he is good, although he's been taking a few breaks and, in my opinion, shouldn't have even fought Ortiz. But as a person, Mayweather is trash. The guy has no respect at all. Burning money, flashing money all over the place, acting like he's better than everybody else, like he's God's gift to the world.
Why does Floyd need to act like that to be a star? Joe Louis was the perfect gentleman, and nothing Mayweather can ever do will ever amount to Louis's accomplishments and popularity in his day.
Have to agree, he is an arsehole outside of the ring. Too much money and too many people kissing his arse have a lot to do with it. I reckon a lot of it is for show but still....
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He's neither all good nor all bad. I hate the attitude he feels he has to portray, but this is a guy who paid for Joe Frazier's funeral and he gave Miguel Cotto nothing but high praise. His idea of being "the bad guy" hasn't hurt PPV sales or ticket sales and it has made him plenty of cash. He's been a great champion, he's supremely talented, I'm not nor have I ever been a fan of his, but I can honestly say I appreciate what he's done in the sport more now than at any other point in his career.
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Nothing but respect for Mayweathers boxing ability, will go down as an ATG. Will be interesting to see where he is ranked in 20 years time.
Great chin, great footwork, great offence, great boxing brain. He knows the perfect strategy for each opponent. He has shown in tough fights if he has to dig deep then he will. He has been hit hard, took it well and come back and closed the show.
I can't think of anything missing from his repertoire.
I thought Cotto had a chance of winning but he was clearly beaten although he fought hard and well.I have picked against Mayweather a few times - not because I'm not a fan or even that I want him to lose it's sort of like a morbid curiosity wondering what it will take to beat him.
I agree with what's been said the only thing that beats Mayweather is complacency, father time or going one step too far and fighting someone who has a ridiculous size/weight advantage.
Skill wise no one can touch Mayweather. I think he will turn Pac on his head and stop him if he fights offensively and attacks mercilessly with bad intentions. That would put him top 3 GOAT.
Just my opinion. Good opening post.
Well, if the guy never fights Pac, it will hurt his P4P standings in the future, probably. I think, seeing the way Miguel Cotto was able to give Floyd trouble, that Pac has as good a chance as anybody of giving Floyd hell.
But the fight will likely never happen. We could dream.
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Said it before, Floyd's one of the greatest fighters to have ever laced up, we're lucky to have been able to watch him. Bit of a cock, sure, we've all got regrets and it doesn't stop us holding others in high regard.
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armyash
Nothing but respect for Mayweathers boxing ability, will go down as an ATG. Will be interesting to see where he is ranked in 20 years time.
Great chin, great footwork, great offence, great boxing brain. He knows the perfect strategy for each opponent. He has shown in tough fights if he has to dig deep then he will. He has been hit hard, took it well and come back and closed the show.
I can't think of anything missing from his repertoire.
I thought Cotto had a chance of winning but he was clearly beaten although he fought hard and well.I have picked against Mayweather a few times - not because I'm not a fan or even that I want him to lose it's sort of like a morbid curiosity wondering what it will take to beat him.
I agree with what's been said the only thing that beats Mayweather is complacency, father time or going one step too far and fighting someone who has a ridiculous size/weight advantage.
Skill wise no one can touch Mayweather. I think he will turn Pac on his head and stop him if he fights offensively and attacks mercilessly with bad intentions. That would put him top 3 GOAT.
Just my opinion. Good opening post.
Well, if the guy never fights Pac, it will hurt his P4P standings in the future, probably. I think, seeing the way Miguel Cotto was able to give Floyd trouble, that Pac has as good a chance as anybody of giving Floyd hell.
But the fight will likely never happen. We could dream.
Agree, I don't see it happening anytime soon. In another 12 months time (18 max) it will be another fight that happened too late. Some reports are already saying that they are both starting to enter a decline (speed, reflexes) whether or not that is true, it will be a valid point if they don't get it on sooner rather than later.
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Well, if the guy never fights Pac, it will hurt his P4P standings in the future, probably. I think, seeing the way Miguel Cotto was able to give Floyd trouble, that Pac has as good a chance as anybody of giving Floyd hell.
But the fight will likely never happen. We could dream.
If Pacquiao fought THAT Cotto then Pacquiao would have been stopped. Cotto had a legit trainer, fought at a natural weight, and of course he did better. Look at Pacquiao-Marquez and Floyd-Marquez, I think that's probably just as skewed because Floyd got JMM to jump up in weight to where he wasn't comfortable but then again Pac fought him again and it was razor thin the difference between those guys.
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Well, if the guy never fights Pac, it will hurt his P4P standings in the future, probably. I think, seeing the way Miguel Cotto was able to give Floyd trouble, that Pac has as good a chance as anybody of giving Floyd hell.
But the fight will likely never happen. We could dream.
If Pacquiao fought THAT Cotto then Pacquiao would have been stopped. Cotto had a legit trainer, fought at a natural weight, and of course he did better. Look at Pacquiao-Marquez and Floyd-Marquez, I think that's probably just as skewed because Floyd got JMM to jump up in weight to where he wasn't comfortable but then again Pac fought him again and it was razor thin the difference between those guys.
I had a debate with my workmate over the weekend on fbook and I said the same as you almost word for word. He thinks Pac destroys Mayweather and he used the Cotto fight as a comparison. Cotto was dead at the weight. This lad is a good fighter and usually knows his stuff. I respect people thinking Pac might win although I disagree but no way does Pac steamroll him.
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Floyd is a oddity outside the ring, I feel it's just a smoke screen remember the media say lot's of things
about the guy he uses them on his part.
Remember one week Pretty Boy next week Money Mayweather, image change, he walks round talking
trash throwing money around don't you just hate the guy.
When Floyd fight's in that ring you get to see a master in the art of boxing, if you are honest he did
let Cotto into the fight because he changed tactics.
Cotto is a excellent fighter himself I like Cotto, a honest good champion and a credit to the sport to
me he seem to be getting better the older he gets.;)
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You can't take any notice of a celebrity's persona or image. Most of them have an army of PR people to manage it. Look at the difference between Sugar ray Leonard's image and the truth (as he admitted in his autobiography). Look at Mike Tyson's early image while he was on his way up.
None of us has the slightest idea whay Floyd is really like, so all we do is speculate and reaffirm our already held beliefs.
The only 'truth' is what they guy does in the ring, in front of us...... and there is no question that he is the best fighter we've seen for quite some time. I can't see a big flaw in him to be honest.
After he has retired, we will be talking about him as an all time great, up there with anyone who has stepped in the ring at those weights.
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You can't take any notice of a celebrity's persona or image. Most of them have an army of PR people to manage it. Look at the difference between Sugar ray Leonard's image and the truth (as he admitted in his autobiography). Look at Mike Tyson's early image while he was on his way up.
None of us has the slightest idea whay Floyd is really like, so all we do is speculate and reaffirm our already held beliefs.
The only 'truth' is what they guy does in the ring, in front of us...... and there is no question that he is the best fighter we've seen for quite some time. I can't see a big flaw in him to be honest.
After he has retired, we will be talking about him as an all time great, up there with anyone who has stepped in the ring at those weights.
We must remember boxer's at World level, make large sum's of money and Floyd is top of the shit pile. There is a good living to be made Floyd milks his image of a bad guy, you could call him a entertainer you have the good guy and the bad one.Us as fan's have our preference and so do the general public the good guy yes he must win, he loves little animals and children.the bad guy he worships the devil and eat's little children.;D Image it seem's is everything to sum people if you have
the personality of a plank, but your a good fighter will you get far into today's World of superstars I
don't really no.!
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i think that pac is the only one who has a chance of beatting floyd
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There is difference Floyd has never tasted defeat Pac has, one common opponent JMM Floyd
simple took him to school were Pac simple struggled to beat him.
I no styles make fight but I feel Floyd will win this one.
