Scoring Cotto-Mayweather a week later

Just watched and rewatched the fight on HBO (thanks to DVR was able to see some close rounds several times). This is how I saw it:

Round 1: Cotto - (Cotto was the aggresor. Floyd did not land much of anything.)

Round 2: Floyd - (Floyd was more effective with his punches, particularly the right hand.)

Round 3: EVEN - (Decided to come back to this later.)

Round 4: Floyd - (Scored well with right hands. Widest margin in a round so far.)

Round 5: Cotto - (Commentators were ignoring Cotto's shots. Cotto going well to the body. Floyd not connecting effectively. Big Cotto left hooks toward end of round. Lederman also gave round to Cotto).

Round 6: Cotto - (Cotto outjabbing Floyd, who's not being that effective with his own punches.)

Round 7: EVEN - (Will rewatch it later also.)

Round 8: Cotto - (Best action so far. "Floyd coasting" MY ASS!! Nosebleed tells different story.)

Round 9: Floyd - (Cotto pressed but didn't connect much. Floyd more accurate and effective.)

Round 10: Floyd - (Had to watch it twice right away. Floyd won 1st minute of round, other two minutes were even... so Floyd wins the round.)

Round 11: Floyd - (Cotto tiring a bit... missing more. Floyd didn't land that much, but was more effective.)

Round 12: Floyd - (Cotto won the 1st minute of the round, but got staggered halfway through, and lost the round.)

Went back to watch rounds 3 and 7.

Round 3: Cotto - (Cotto wins 1st minute of round, with jabs and left hooks. Cotto wins the 2nd minute as well. Last minute is even. Cotto wins the round.)

Round 7: Floyd - (Floyd wins 1st minute of round. 2nd minute is even, with slight edge to Floyd. Last minute is even. Floyd wins the round.)

So my final score is:

Round 1: Cotto
Round 2: Floyd
Round 3: Cotto
Round 4: Floyd
Round 5: Cotto
Round 6: Cotto
Round 7: Floyd
Round 8: Cotto
Round 9: Floyd
Round 10: Floyd
Round 11: Floyd
Round 12: Floyd

7-5: Floyd

"Floyd was coasting" MY ASS. Only blind Floyd fans and Cotto haters, as well as people who hang on HBO commentators every word... believe that is was an easy night for Floyd... and that Floyd could've "turned it on" or ended it whenever he wanted to.

That assessment is an insult to Cotto's effort, and an injustice to the fight itself. At least Floyd himself knows the kind of fight he was in.

I had to mute the sound not long after the fight started, it was apparent that Cotto wasn't going to get any credit for what he was doing. I do believe that Floyd won the fight, but more along the lines of how you scored it. Floyd 7-5.

The problem that Miguel had with Floyd was typical, he's so fucking hard to catch with clean hard shots, but Cotto was obviously landing some decent punches, Floyd's nose bled much of the fight, and he had a cut lip.

Cotto gave Mayweather the toughest test of his career, except for maybe the 1st Castillo fight, he's got nothing to hang his head about, he gave it his all.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

I had to mute the sound not long after the fight started, it was apparent that Cotto wasn't going to get any credit for what he was doing. I do believe that Floyd won the fight, but more along the lines of how you scored it. Floyd 7-5.

The problem that Miguel had with Floyd was typical, he's so fucking hard to catch with clean hard shots, but Cotto was obviously landing some decent punches, Floyd's nose bled much of the fight, and he had a cut lip.

Cotto gave Mayweather the toughest test of his career, except for maybe the 1st Castillo fight, he's got nothing to hang his head about, he gave it his all.

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Yeah bro... it's not like anybody's claming that Miguel won. But it irritates me to read some supposedly knowledgeable posters making it seem like it was a cakewalk. If you watch the fight objectively, without getting swayed by the commentators, you'll see that the fight was reasonably close. Not all of Cotto's punches were missing... just like not all of Floyd's punches were landing. But when you've got your mind made up as to who's gonna win the fight... you're not going to give the other guy a fair shake.

Let's say I would've scored the fight 8-4 instead of 7-5. That still means that those last 4 rounds (which I scored for Floyd) were inmensely important for Mayweather. To see claims that Mayweather was "coasting" is utterly ridiculous, and does a disservice to the fight and to both boxers as well. Yes... it does a disservice to Floyd, because it takes away the element of "rising to the challenge" that Floyd had to show that night. Personally, I think the fact that Mayweather was seriously challenged actually served to raise his stock in the boxing world even more than it already was.

I watched some of the rounds several times... and tried to score each of the three minutes individually, in rounds that I thought were initially too close to call.

Bottom line: It was a great championship fight... Floyd deservedly won the decision... but was also tested for one of the very few times in his career. Cotto took the world's best p4p fighter... one of the all-time greats... through 12 tough, close, competitive rounds. Not many others can say that.

Agree with both of you. 7-5 is also what I had it. 8-4 even is acceptable, there were a few very close rounds.

9-3 and 10-2 especially are utter nonsense and totally unrepresentative of the great fight Cotto fought.

Its frustrating when the judges, HBO, most of press row and some fans don't want to give Cotto his just due.

The crazy bastard actually believed he could win ! And he fought like it too.

floyd could have KO'd him anytime he wanted...in the last 45 seconds of the 12th.

He rocked him. Doesn't mean he could've KO'ed him. The announcers said it best. Floyd felt he had the decision. He wasn't going to risk getting KO'ed himself by going for the knockout.

I also watched the fight yesterday and i dont know how anyone can say floys didnt win the first 5 rounds, he was playing about with cotto, hitting him when he wanted and cotto just missed with most of what he threw. I found it again 10-2 for floyd

see my fightcollector blog below in the signature.

i also had it 115-113 Floyd , the most common scores i collected were 115-113 , 116-112 , 117-111 - basically a 2 round switch for floyd.

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I had to mute the sound not long after the fight started, it was apparent that Cotto wasn't going to get any credit for what he was doing. I do believe that Floyd won the fight, but more along the lines of how you scored it. Floyd 7-5.

The problem that Miguel had with Floyd was typical, he's so fucking hard to catch with clean hard shots, but Cotto was obviously landing some decent punches, Floyd's nose bled much of the fight, and he had a cut lip.

Cotto gave Mayweather the toughest test of his career, except for maybe the 1st Castillo fight, he's got nothing to hang his head about, he gave it his all.

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Yeah bro... it's not like anybody's claming that Miguel won. But it irritates me to read some supposedly knowledgeable posters making it seem like it was a cakewalk. If you watch the fight objectively, without getting swayed by the commentators, you'll see that the fight was reasonably close. Not all of Cotto's punches were missing... just like not all of Floyd's punches were landing. But when you've got your mind made up as to who's gonna win the fight... you're not going to give the other guy a fair shake.

Let's say I would've scored the fight 8-4 instead of 7-5. That still means that those last 4 rounds (which I scored for Floyd) were inmensely important for Mayweather. To see claims that Mayweather was "coasting" is utterly ridiculous, and does a disservice to the fight and to both boxers as well. Yes... it does a disservice to Floyd, because it takes away the element of "rising to the challenge" that Floyd had to show that night. Personally, I think the fact that Mayweather was seriously challenged actually served to raise his stock in the boxing world even more than it already was.

I watched some of the rounds several times... and tried to score each of the three minutes individually, in rounds that I thought were initially too close to call.

Bottom line: It was a great championship fight... Floyd deservedly won the decision... but was also tested for one of the very few times in his career. Cotto took the world's best p4p fighter... one of the all-time greats... through 12 tough, close, competitive rounds. Not many others can say that.

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The problem was where there punches landed. Its alright being the agressor but if you are hitting the opponents arms and hands they dont count. Mayweather may have not thrown many punches but the majority of them landed. I dont think Cotto done as well as many of you think he did. I was impressed with his fitness though.

Cotto fought a great fight.
The scores were 8-4 floyd after watching it again with no sound.
The fight was not as easier as it could have been because floyd stayed on the ropes rather than box all night.
But cotto has great defense and is a true warrior.

I had it 8-4 for Floyd upon a rewatch. I think the rounds Cotto won were quite obvious, he won yhe clearly which is hard to say against Floyd! I don't think it can be any close than 8-4 but fair do's we all score fights differently and prefer different styles. The bottom line is that it was a tough fight and there are no arguments about the victor. So it's all kool

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He rocked him. Doesn't mean he could've KO'ed him. The announcers said it best. Floyd felt he had the decision. He wasn't going to risk getting KO'ed himself by going for the knockout.

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floyd could have KO'd him anytime he wanted...in the last 45 seconds of the 12th.

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He rocked him. Doesn't mean he could've KO'ed him. The announcers said it best. Floyd felt he had the decision. He wasn't going to risk getting KO'ed himself by going for the knockout.

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floyd could have KO'd him anytime he wanted...in the last 45 seconds of the 12th.

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I'm sorry.... did you just COPY/PASTE your earlier post?

I'm beginning to get more insight into your thought processes.

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floyd could have KO'd him anytime he wanted...in the last 45 seconds of the 12th.

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He had him hurt, more due to tiredness but anyone who thinks Floyd let Cotto off the hook is crazy. If Floyd could have stopped him he would have, but he could not do it.

I had it a draw, Cotto was 4-2 up at half way point.

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He rocked him. Doesn't mean he could've KO'ed him. The announcers said it best. Floyd felt he had the decision. He wasn't going to risk getting KO'ed himself by going for the knockout.

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floyd could have KO'd him anytime he wanted...in the last 45 seconds of the 12th.

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I'm sorry.... did you just COPY/PASTE your earlier post?

I'm beginning to get more insight into your thought processes.

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floyd could have KO'd him anytime he wanted...in the last 45 seconds of the 12th.

no i typed it fresh each time....

Well I guess I'm one of the idiots some of you speak of. I'm a huge Cotto fan but that fight was not remotely close.

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He rocked him. Doesn't mean he could've KO'ed him. The announcers said it best. Floyd felt he had the decision. He wasn't going to risk getting KO'ed himself by going for the knockout.

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floyd could have KO'd him anytime he wanted...in the last 45 seconds of the 12th.

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I'm sorry.... did you just COPY/PASTE your earlier post?

I'm beginning to get more insight into your thought processes.

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floyd could have KO'd him anytime he wanted...in the last 45 seconds of the 12th.

no i typed it fresh each time....

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Try not to hurt yourself, ace. "Brain sprain" is an uncommon, but serious issue.

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He rocked him. Doesn't mean he could've KO'ed him. The announcers said it best. Floyd felt he had the decision. He wasn't going to risk getting KO'ed himself by going for the knockout.

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floyd could have KO'd him anytime he wanted...in the last 45 seconds of the 12th.

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I'm sorry.... did you just COPY/PASTE your earlier post?

I'm beginning to get more insight into your thought processes.

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floyd could have KO'd him anytime he wanted...in the last 45 seconds of the 12th.

no i typed it fresh each time....

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Try not to hurt yourself, ace. "Brain sprain" is an uncommon, but serious issue.

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you know cheatofan.... you're a sore loser.

when someone has a difference of opinion from you, you insult them and then you neg rep them.... all cause they don't agree with your ideas and aren't giving in to your bullying and insults.

poor sport.

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He rocked him. Doesn't mean he could've KO'ed him. The announcers said it best. Floyd felt he had the decision. He wasn't going to risk getting KO'ed himself by going for the knockout.

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floyd could have KO'd him anytime he wanted...in the last 45 seconds of the 12th.

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I'm sorry.... did you just COPY/PASTE your earlier post?

I'm beginning to get more insight into your thought processes.

:11fb8:

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floyd could have KO'd him anytime he wanted...in the last 45 seconds of the 12th.

no i typed it fresh each time....

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Try not to hurt yourself, ace. "Brain sprain" is an uncommon, but serious issue.

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you know cheatofan.... you're a sore loser.

when someone has a difference of opinion from you, you insult them and then you neg rep them.... all cause they don't agree with your ideas and aren't giving in to your bullying and insults.

poor sport.

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Awww... you hurt my feelings, kid. Just for the hell of it... look a few posts above this one. Someone else had a different opinion about the fight than me. Did I insult and/or bully him? It's not what you say... it's how you say it. When you make yourself sound biased, ignorant, and disrespectful of the sport while stating an opinion, as you normally do, I'll typically treat you that way.

floyd could have KO'd him anytime he wanted...in the last 45 seconds of the 12th.

9 rounds to 3, PBF

I've watched it 3 times now and in the words of John McEnroe "You cannot be serious"

I gave Cotto rounds 6, 8 and 9 with 10 possibly even. (I hate scoring even rounds), but in a close round i gave it to Floyd. How you could have Cotto winning the fight at the end of round 6 is staggering! I still had it 117-111 at the finish with a concession that it could've been 116-112. Cotto just didn't land enough.

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I've watched it 3 times now and in the words of John McEnroe "You cannot be serious"

I gave Cotto rounds 6, 8 and 9 with 10 possibly even. (I hate scoring even rounds), but in a close round i gave it to Floyd. How you could have Cotto winning the fight at the end of round 6 is staggering! I still had it 117-111 at the finish with a concession that it could've been 116-112. Cotto just didn't land enough.

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I had it 117-111 as well. Cotto was competitive and gave a good account of himself. It wasn't an easy fight for Floyd. But his win was pretty clear-cut

And I have no desire to see a rematch

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floyd could have KO'd him anytime he wanted...in the last 45 seconds of the 12th.

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He had him hurt, more due to tiredness but anyone who thinks Floyd let Cotto off the hook is crazy. If Floyd could have stopped him he would have, but he could not do it.

I had it a draw, Cotto was 4-2 up at half way point.

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Agree with the KO point. Floyd is a safety first anything to win fighter. It is not in him to disregard safety and go for a KO (much like a Klitchko). If that was the case he would have been hit alot more in this and other fights. I cant agree with the draw. Most of Cottos work was blocked. Has anyone seen the punch stats for this fight. What did they say.

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floyd could have KO'd him anytime he wanted...in the last 45 seconds of the 12th.

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He had him hurt, more due to tiredness but anyone who thinks Floyd let Cotto off the hook is crazy. If Floyd could have stopped him he would have, but he could not do it.

I had it a draw, Cotto was 4-2 up at half way point.

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The punch landed flush. He catches him with the same punch in 1st or 2nd round Cotto would still stagger. And a draw is just ridiculous.

Interesting how different people scored the fight. It ranges all the way from 10-2 Floyd (which I find absurdly ridiculous)... to one poster who had it a draw. Personally, I saw it as 7-5 Floyd, although with the closeness of some of the rounds, it could've been 8-4 Floyd. I agree that Floyd won the fight.

I think one point of disagreement is the very first round. I gave it to Cotto... whereas I'm sure many others gave it to Floyd. But I watched it several times. Neither fighter connected effectively. And I gave Cotto the edge because he was the aggresor. With everything else equal, and Cotto being the aggresor, I gave the round to Cotto.

Upon seeing the fight again, I had two rounds even: 3 and 7. I went back to each of those two rounds, and ended up giving Round 3 to Cotto and Round 7 to Floyd. Again, they were close as hell.

As I've maintained throughout... Cotto didn't miss everything he threw (regardless of what Floyd fans would like to believe), and Floyd didn't connect everything HE threw (many punches looked nice, but were blocked.... and defense DOES count for something).

But no complaints. Cotto did a hell of a lot better than most people expected... and there's a lot of fight left in him. I still think the change to Pedro Diaz as his trainer did him a world of good, said so by Cotto himself. Finally somebody to whom Cotto can look up to and respect... and a proven entity in the world of boxing.

I'm really looking forward to Cotto's next fights.

Cotto vs Canello anyone? That would make a great fight.

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Interesting how different people scored the fight. It ranges all the way from 10-2 Floyd (which I find absurdly ridiculous)... to one poster who had it a draw. Personally, I saw it as 7-5 Floyd, although with the closeness of some of the rounds, it could've been 8-4 Floyd. I agree that Floyd won the fight.

I think one point of disagreement is the very first round. I gave it to Cotto... whereas I'm sure many others gave it to Floyd. But I watched it several times. Neither fighter connected effectively. And I gave Cotto the edge because he was the aggresor. With everything else equal, and Cotto being the aggresor, I gave the round to Cotto.

Upon seeing the fight again, I had two rounds even: 3 and 7. I went back to each of those two rounds, and ended up giving Round 3 to Cotto and Round 7 to Floyd. Again, they were close as hell.

As I've maintained throughout... Cotto didn't miss everything he threw (regardless of what Floyd fans would like to believe), and Floyd didn't connect everything HE threw (many punches looked nice, but were blocked.... and defense DOES count for something).

But no complaints. Cotto did a hell of a lot better than most people expected... and there's a lot of fight left in him. I still think the change to Pedro Diaz as his trainer did him a world of good, said so by Cotto himself. Finally somebody to whom Cotto can look up to and respect... and a proven entity in the world of boxing.

I'm really looking forward to Cotto's next fights.

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I'm not a Floyd fan but know what I saw. The night of the fight I was sober and called it 10/2 and rewatching sober 9/3. Now if that's absurd in your view that's fine with me because 7/5 or a draw is absurd in mine.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Cotto vs Canello anyone? That would make a great fight.

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I reckon Cotto will wreck Canelo, Cotto has a few more fights before the tank is empty and a fight with Canelo is definitely a possibility. If i was handling Canelo and Cotto's people were calling i would lose the connection very quickly. Cotto wins a UD or late stoppage.

If you score the fight by looking at the fighters after the fight, it sure seems like Mayweather won 10-2 or so. Cotto looked horrible and out of it. Mayweather was clowning around and looked like he was getting ready for a 12 round fight rather than somebody who'd just finished a 12 round fight.

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Cotto vs Canello anyone? That would make a great fight.

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I reckon Cotto will wreck Canelo, Cotto has a few more fights before the tank is empty and a fight with Canelo is definitely a possibility. If i was handling Canelo and Cotto's people were calling i would lose the connection very quickly. Cotto wins a UD or late stoppage.

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Its a different fight all together. You can garentee that Cotto will land alot more punches in a fight against Alvarez than aginst mayweather but he will also get hit with plenty more than the floyd fight as well. He seemed to slow in the Margo fight more than the Floyd fight to me. Makes me think hes a fighter that slows more from punches than his own work rate. A bit like Khan.

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Cotto vs Canello anyone? That would make a great fight.

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Canelo wrecks Cotto. Size and power would be the deciding factor in this fight. And they favor Alvarez

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Cotto vs Canello anyone? That would make a great fight.

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Canelo wrecks Cotto. Size and power would be the deciding factor in this fight. And they favor Alvarez

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I think its a done deal. Same card. Pr/Mex rivalry and Oscar frothing at the mouth.

Report on ring mag says Golden Boy is trying to make Albarez-Paul Williams next (Sept). Probably entertaining but I don't think it's competitive at this point. And if they're going to match him with someone else before Cotto, I'd have preferred Kirkland.

I don't think there would be much difference between Williams or Kirkland there aside from the fashion in which they were beaten down. They are both pure foooood for Alvarez at this point and neither of them would be able to make it interesting imo.

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I've watched it 3 times now and in the words of John McEnroe "You cannot be serious"

I gave Cotto rounds 6, 8 and 9 with 10 possibly even. (I hate scoring even rounds), but in a close round i gave it to Floyd. How you could have Cotto winning the fight at the end of round 6 is staggering! I still had it 117-111 at the finish with a concession that it could've been 116-112. Cotto just didn't land enough.

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I've watched it a few times and scored it 117-111 but 116-112 is also a fair score.

If they want to make Cotto-Alvarez... the time is NOW. Giving Alvarez other fights before Cotto just plays into the age advantage. Alvarez is 21, whereas Cotto has already passed his physical peak. If they fight each other next, Cotto schools Alvarez.

Floyd IMO won clearly but he didn't win EASILY, i had it 7-5 then 8-4, either way he had to work all 12 rounds, something he hasn't been forced to do in a long time, it was a great fight and BOTH men deserve credit, Floyd for stepping it up and grinding out the win, and Cotto for showing up and earning his paycheck rather than just collect it and lay down, fuck anyone who thinks it was a cake walk

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Report on ring mag says Golden Boy is trying to make Albarez-Paul Williams next (Sept). Probably entertaining but I don't think it's competitive at this point. And if they're going to match him with someone else before Cotto, I'd have preferred Kirkland.

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Both are good fights and will present different challenges to Canelo. Isn't it funny that it is widely accepted that Molina beat Kirkland and Lara beat Williams, yet, it is Williams and Kirkland, not Lara or Molina, getting the Canelo fight.

after re-watching the 12th round i'd like to change my previous statement.

floyd could have KO'd him anytime he wanted...in the last 67 seconds of the 12th.