Drugs in boxing

With in a space of a week two fighters have proven positive for PHDs's , what makes it worse they were
fighters at the top of there game one current World champion and one former one.
I find it very hard for theses fighters to believe that pleading total ignorantness's, justified there the result
of a positive test.
When I watch boxing I want to see to fit natural boxer's fight, not Sted head induced fuck in idiots there
is a positive to boxers being tested if you cheat you will be caught.
I no I will upset a lot of you but the taking PHD's is rife in MMA, you only have to look at body mass there are many tell-tail signs, I don't want boxing to go the same way, Boxing is called the noble art let's hope it can be noble not full of cheat's.

You're wishing for a clean sport but will you like the results? A lot of your favourite athletes probably wouldn't have been as good without PED's and that's the harsh reality of it when you get to the elite level. The million dollar paydays or becoming fodder for the big boys? Which do you choose?

I mean look at the huge list of elite fighters that have been caught...

James Toney
Roy Jones Jr
Fernando Vargas
Andre Berto
Lamont Peterson
Shane Mosley
Evander Holyfield

the list goes on and on. Are we seriously still burying our head in the sand and expecting that MOST fighters are clean? It's crazy.

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Originally Posted by Althugz

You're wishing for a clean sport but will you like the results? A lot of your favourite athletes probably wouldn't have been as good without PED's and that's the harsh reality of it when you get to the elite level. The million dollar paydays or becoming fodder for the big boys? Which do you choose?

I mean look at the huge list of elite fighters that have been caught...

James Toney
Roy Jones Jr
Fernando Vargas
Andre Berto
Lamont Peterson
Shane Mosley
Evander Holyfield

the list goes on and on. Are we seriously still burying our head in the sand and expecting that MOST fighters are clean? It's crazy.

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You're 100% correct.

Add to that list Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and Omar Nino Romero. Boxing needs to be honest with itself and take the forefront with testing.

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Originally Posted by Althugz

You're wishing for a clean sport but will you like the results? A lot of your favourite athletes probably wouldn't have been as good without PED's and that's the harsh reality of it when you get to the elite level. The million dollar paydays or becoming fodder for the big boys? Which do you choose?

I mean look at the huge list of elite fighters that have been caught...

James Toney
Roy Jones Jr
Fernando Vargas
Andre Berto
Lamont Peterson
Shane Mosley
Evander Holyfield

the list goes on and on. Are we seriously still burying our head in the sand and expecting that MOST fighters are clean? It's crazy.

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I don't live in La La land , but if these's tests are finding the cheats good I and other people don't want boxing to become sted head heaven. I never look at the World through rose tinted glasses, when
you see 350 pound monsters walking round and they tell you they are natural bollocks.
I know lot's of pro athletes Rugby players boxers wrestlers etc I'm under no illusions there is a saying
you can't bullshit a bullshitter my friend. When you get caught using Ped's your just cheating your self
and your fan's to boot, I no it's going on but I don't have to agree with it.:(

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Originally Posted by Dia bando

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Originally Posted by Althugz

You're wishing for a clean sport but will you like the results? A lot of your favourite athletes probably wouldn't have been as good without PED's and that's the harsh reality of it when you get to the elite level. The million dollar paydays or becoming fodder for the big boys? Which do you choose?

I mean look at the huge list of elite fighters that have been caught...

James Toney
Roy Jones Jr
Fernando Vargas
Andre Berto
Lamont Peterson
Shane Mosley
Evander Holyfield

the list goes on and on. Are we seriously still burying our head in the sand and expecting that MOST fighters are clean? It's crazy.

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I don't live in La La land , but if these's tests are finding the cheats good I and other people don't want boxing to become sted head heaven. I never look at the World through rose tinted glasses, when
you see 350 pound monsters walking round and they tell you they are natural bollocks.
I know lot's of pro athletes Rugby players boxers wrestlers etc I'm under no illusions there is a saying
you can't bullshit a bullshitter my friend. When you get caught using PHD's your just cheating your self
and your fan's to boot, I no it's going on but I don't have to agree with it.:(

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I know, I'm not saying you or anyone else has to like it or that anybody is wrong - In fact, most people don't like it obviously judging from the responses.

I'm just wondering whether you or anyone else would ACTUALLY like the sport cleaned up? I think you like the idea of it cleaned up like everybody does, but would that reduce the pace of fights? Would it reduce punching power? Would it mean fighters fight EVEN LESS often?? (Because you better believe that PED's help recovery) Would it mean your favourite fighters run out of gas early? Would it mean your favourite fighter would have never even existed and fallen short at world level?

Cleaning up the sport could be the very thing that goes ahead and kills it.

I'm not saying you're wrong or right..I don't even really know how I feel about the matter but it is definitely food for thought.

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Originally Posted by Althugz

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Originally Posted by Dia bando

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Originally Posted by Althugz

You're wishing for a clean sport but will you like the results? A lot of your favourite athletes probably wouldn't have been as good without PED's and that's the harsh reality of it when you get to the elite level. The million dollar paydays or becoming fodder for the big boys? Which do you choose?

I mean look at the huge list of elite fighters that have been caught...

James Toney
Roy Jones Jr
Fernando Vargas
Andre Berto
Lamont Peterson
Shane Mosley
Evander Holyfield

the list goes on and on. Are we seriously still burying our head in the sand and expecting that MOST fighters are clean? It's crazy.

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I don't live in La La land , but if these's tests are finding the cheats good I and other people don't want boxing to become sted head heaven. I never look at the World through rose tinted glasses, when
you see 350 pound monsters walking round and they tell you they are natural bollocks.
I know lot's of pro athletes Rugby players boxers wrestlers etc I'm under no illusions there is a saying
you can't bullshit a bullshitter my friend. When you get caught using PHD's your just cheating your self
and your fan's to boot, I no it's going on but I don't have to agree with it.:(

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I know, I'm not saying you or anyone else has to like it or that anybody is wrong - In fact, most people don't like it obviously judging from the responses.

I'm just wondering whether you or anyone else would ACTUALLY like the sport cleaned up? I think you like the idea of it cleaned up like everybody does, but would that reduce the pace of fights? Would it reduce punching power? Would it mean fighters fight EVEN LESS often?? (Because you better believe that PED's help recovery) Would it mean your favourite fighters run out of gas early? Would it mean your favourite fighter would have never even existed and fallen short at world level?

Cleaning up the sport could be the very thing that goes ahead and kills it.

I'm not saying you're wrong or right..I don't even really know how I feel about the matter but it is definitely food for thought.

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I get your point, the thing is taking Ped's you would still not have a level playing field, because you would have one man able to have ever Phd's available, that suit's his needs and the other not having
all Ped's.So what it come's down to fitness out of a bottle ok for some but not for me.

PEDs Dia :)

Short for - Performance Enhancing Drugs

They're rampant in all sports and easy to hide from boxing's extremely weak testing.

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

PEDs Dia :)

Short for - Performance Enhancing Drugs

They're rampant in all sports and easy to hide from boxing's extremely weak testing.

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Brains not working;D

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Originally Posted by Dia bando

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

PEDs Dia :)

Short for - Performance Enhancing Drugs

They're rampant in all sports and easy to hide from boxing's extremely weak testing.

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Brains not working;D

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Well at least we know someone isnt using a PHD;D

I always thought it was crazy how the Klitschkos got away with it while other fighters never finished high school.

In seriousness, I think Althugz is bang on here. I'd even go as far as to say fighters should be able to put it into the contracts that they can use whatever they please and just say to hell with the comissions. It's essentially safer than what occurs anyways; if two fighters agree to face each other knowing damn well they won't get caught for using something, where is the incentive to be clean? The idea of one person not using drugs in preparing to fight someone who clearly is but won't have to answer for it is ridiculous.
As paying customers we are now entitled to see the best athletes which science can produce! Viva la revolution!!!

The more receptor sites an athlete has, the more they will excell from a ped. You don't know who on drugs or aren't. So just beacause joe blow takes it doesn't mean he will be a champion. You still have to train. The training still hurts. With the ped, the training doesn't stay in your system. You recover so you can go though the pain again.


Once you get to that level your lively hood depends on performance. Either perform or get da fuc out.


People don't wanna see slow track meets, pop flies, and 12 round boring fights. They want speed, big hits and koes.

Some top fighters are clean. Not all boxers use PED's. That's like saying all ballplayers use PED's. It's not true, although it may seem like it.

That is all.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Some top fighters are clean. Not all boxers use PED's. That's like saying all ballplayers use PED's. It's not true, although it may seem like it.

That is all.

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I can't prove my statement any more than you can prove yours.

MOST elite guys have a strength conditioning coach these days..any of these worth their salt will have knowledge of PED's..

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Some top fighters are clean. Not all boxers use PED's. That's like saying all ballplayers use PED's. It's not true, although it may seem like it.

That is all.

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I can't prove my statement any more than you can prove yours.

MOST elite guys have a strength conditioning coach these days..any of these worth their salt will have knowledge of PED's..

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You can't say ever one in boxing is using PED's I no plenty that are not to some people PED's are away of life body building remember one thing my friend in boxing you can be as strong as a bull.
PED's will not make that chin stronger, you get hit right down you go like a sack of shit no PED's on Earth will help you then.;)

Not making this into a cultural or racial issue. But fact is you hardly ever hear of Hispanic fighters being caught using PEDs. One well known exception, Fernando Vargas, you could argue he's not 100% Hispanic. Just an observation... there may be nothing to that.

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Not making this into a cultural or racial issue. But fact is you hardly ever hear of Hispanic fighters being caught using PEDs. One well known exception, Fernando Vargas, you could argue he's not 100% Hispanic. Just an observation... there may be nothing to that.

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Salido
Carrera
Cruz Carbajal
Nino
Guzman

Just sayin;) Oh and one could include Chavez Jr also.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Some top fighters are clean. Not all boxers use PED's. That's like saying all ballplayers use PED's. It's not true, although it may seem like it.

That is all.

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I can't prove my statement any more than you can prove yours.

MOST elite guys have a strength conditioning coach these days..any of these worth their salt will have knowledge of PED's..

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You can't say ever one in boxing is using PED's I no plenty that are not to some people PED's are away of life body building remember one thing my friend in boxing you can be as strong as a bull.
PED's will not make that chin stronger, you get hit right down you go like a sack of shit no PED's on Earth will help you then.;)

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That we can agree on - but you tell somebody that they stand to make potentially millions compared to peanuts if they take PEDs and their concscience can change real fast.

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Originally Posted by Althugz

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Some top fighters are clean. Not all boxers use PED's. That's like saying all ballplayers use PED's. It's not true, although it may seem like it.

That is all.

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I can't prove my statement any more than you can prove yours.

MOST elite guys have a strength conditioning coach these days..any of these worth their salt will have knowledge of PED's..

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You can't say ever one in boxing is using PED's I no plenty that are not to some people PED's are away of life body building remember one thing my friend in boxing you can be as strong as a bull.
PED's will not make that chin stronger, you get hit right down you go like a sack of shit no PED's on Earth will help you then.;)

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That we can agree on - but you tell somebody that they stand to make potentially millions compared to peanuts if they take PEDs and their concscience can change real fast.

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You are right when money come's into it, morality go's out the window.;D

Drugs in boxing is becoming a major issue, at this moment in time is it right, far from it when some
individuals get caught. Should we pity them no we should not as adults we know right from wrong
but if we allow it more fool us. I don't give a shit who you are Champion contender or what ever
if you use PED's you should be banned.:mad:

Body builders are known to use peds.
What is your experience of them personally all thugz? As you seem to have a picture of one(if not yourself) in your signature.
And as for the comment about if we ruin boxing if drug testing is brought in that is crazy!.. And disrespectful to all the young guns in the amateurs and pros doing it clean.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Not making this into a cultural or racial issue. But fact is you hardly ever hear of Hispanic fighters being caught using PEDs. One well known exception, Fernando Vargas, you could argue he's not 100% Hispanic. Just an observation... there may be nothing to that.

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Salido
Carrera
Cruz Carbajal
Nino
Guzman

Just sayin;) Oh and one could include Chavez Jr also.

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As for salido the very next day that his sample came positive, another sample was taken to a neutral agency and it was screened as clean. Drugs don't wear off in a single day. Reason that point stayed was simply because he was up against an up and comer and powers that be...well its the same song and dance.

There have always been cheats in sports,if you are at the top the rewards are great £ $ some people,
would think PED's are the only way to get to the top. New's my friends not ever one is a cheat, regardless
what some people think boxing is not FULL, of drug cheats some may think so but they judge it by there,
own very low standards.
There are lot's of gym's a round my area, that are full of PED induced lunatics body building that is,
as for the 4 local boxing gym's, none what so ever.
Lets just remember not ever body, takes this shit in some peoples gym it may normal,but thank god
it not across the board,right from wrong my friend to me it's very WRONG.

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Originally Posted by imp

Body builders are known to use peds.
What is your experience of them personally all thugz? As you seem to have a picture of one(if not yourself) in your signature.
And as for the comment about if we ruin boxing if drug testing is brought in that is crazy!.. And disrespectful to all the young guns in the amateurs and pros doing it clean.

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Yeah that's me but it was a natural fitness modelling show..They said natural and we were all under the impression that we would be tested but even that didn't happen. To be honest it would have been really hard and expensive to test
140 athletes who turned up to that show. You hear runours that some guys there were on something etc but you can never know..my friend won the whole thing and he looks amazing. I'm sure most would think he's on Peds but he's not.

In bodybuilding, yes it's like a gentlemans agreement that everyone is on steroids. You can't naturally achieve the dimensions that those guys have.

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Originally Posted by Althugz

You're wishing for a clean sport but will you like the results? A lot of your favourite athletes probably wouldn't have been as good without PED's and that's the harsh reality of it when you get to the elite level. The million dollar paydays or becoming fodder for the big boys? Which do you choose?

I mean look at the huge list of elite fighters that have been caught...

James Toney
Roy Jones Jr
Fernando Vargas
Andre Berto
Lamont Peterson
Shane Mosley
Evander Holyfield

the list goes on and on. Are we seriously still burying our head in the sand and expecting that MOST fighters are clean? It's crazy.

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You're 100% correct.

Add to that list Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and Omar Nino Romero. Boxing needs to be honest with itself and take the forefront with testing.

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add to the list Sergio Martinez, he is clearly using PEDs