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beat konstantin airich last night on points I did not see much of it as I had to leave the house but he looked pretty fat( I think he was around 270 again :S) and slow I think there is no hope for him unless he loses 40 pounds what a shame I think he could be really good.
he'll lose some weight but he won't come in at 220-225 pounds which is the max he should weigh. He's too lazy. He was fat before the injury and he'll continue to be fat.
Heavyweights don't have to be ripped. Not everyone needs to be in the same shape as the Klits or Price (or other in great shape HWs), but the extra bodyfat doesn't help a fighter.
people have referred to this as the era of the superheavyweights. The Klits, helenius, price, and a few others are very large.
Otherwise the other guys are 6ft 2 or 6ft 3. Yet most of the 6ft 2 or 6 ft 3 guys think they have to weigh as much as the bigger guys. It is so ludicrous. You don't take your 6 ft 2 220 lb frame and beat a 6ft 6 240-245 lb guy by coming in at 250 or 260. you come in at 220 and use speed.
He's the new Cris Arreola.
A shot-to-bits Danny Williams sparked that guy a few years back.
Solis is just a fat waster.
Who were the people on here arguing that his first round injury loss to Vitali was actually impressive? Fucks sake... (it might have just been Bilbo as it goes)
he's not that durableQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Yes, I remember that "Solis, just put out the blueprint to beating Vitali Klitschko"......and a few seconds later his knee gave way much like the legs of the folding chairs that he sits on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by palmerq
So what else is f*cking new?!?!?
I'm off heavyweight fights for good. The division is a joke.
The Klitschkos should retire out of pure boredom, and a sense of embarrassment not because of themselves, but because of all the fat-ass, has-been, recycled losers populating the division today. At least sumo wrestlers have an excuse to be lard-asses.
The new Jorge Luis Gonzalez minus the monster mullet.
Put a fork in him, salad fork for shits sake.
Waste, absolute waste of talent.
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Good reference.
I think that bastard might have been better than Solis actually, at least more explosive.
And Lyle, I remember thinking Solis was doing pretty good against Vitali, doubt he would have won, but he was doing better than anyone else til the clumsy fuck hurt his knee.
Then Chisora came along, slapped Vitali, spit in Wlad's face, acted like a total punk ass bitch, but actually fought his ass off and put forth a good effort. Put Solis to shame and all the rest.
:vd: you mention Vitali doing well vs Lewis for 6 rounds and people jump through their computers to yell you down and we're supposed to accept that Solis did well for less than 1 round vs Vitali? We never saw how Solis handled 1 single power shot from Vitali, we saw a grazing jab made Solis fold up like a lawn chair, but his chin never even got tested.
Solis should fight his way back to contention....it'll take a while fighting the likes of that dude I've never head of before. Fight Bermane Stiverne and put on a good show and I'm 100% certain either brother would LOVE to give you a title shot, it's not like there's anyone else around.
Chisora lasted the distance, well that is great only a few have ever done that.....but he lost and the fight wasn't close. When you are judging how someone did vs a Klitschko brother it speaks volumes when the first thing that comes to mind is "Well he lasted the distance" because of the decades that's exactly the way people big upped the challengers to all the greats.....and yes I am calling both Vitali & Wlad greats, because they are it's just a simple fact everyone is just going to have to learn to accept.
1. No, when YOU or others say that Vitali was BEATING Lennox and would have beaten him then people get upset. No one disputes he was doing well.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
2. Bullshit. Chisora won 4 rounds, 3 at the least. Thats a lot better than just going the distance.
3. ;D;D;D:rolleyes:
1. On the scorecards Vitali WAS beating LewisQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
2. Was it a 4 round fight? An 8 rounder? A 10 rounder? THEN IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER
3. You're a tool
haha yes the scorecards, the same scorecards that had your precious Cloud beating Campillo...Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong1. On the scorecards Vitali WAS beating LewisQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
2. Was it a 4 round fight? An 8 rounder? A 10 rounder? THEN IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER
3. You're a tool
haha no and it doesn't matter that Cotto won 4 or 5 rounds against Mayweather either. Nope. Not at all. Because after all it wasn't a 4 or 8 round fight. :rolleyes:
By your logic Cotto's performance against Mayweather was equal to Marquez's or Mosley's showing, where both men basically lost every round.
I'm not a tool my dear, you are just a big nasty Klithead. ;);D
Out of Solis' less than a round match vs Vitali you got all that and I'm the fanboy? You're ridiculous.
Now now Lyle can't we discuss this like gentlemen without the name calling ?
Its nothing personal, just business.
I do rather enjoy your clever facebook posts with the cats and the dogs and what not. :)
...let's see if YOUR BOY Solis even earns a rematch or a match with Wlad since Vitali will probably retire before 'El Gordo' works his way back to contender status. Solis sucks end of discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
He's not MY BOY in the least, in fact I remember saying a year or so ago I thought old ass Holyfield could beat his fat ass ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong...let's see if YOUR BOY Solis even earns a rematch or a match with Wlad since Vitali will probably retire before 'El Gordo' works his way back to contender status. Solis sucks end of discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
As far as current heavyweights I guess I like Arreola, Adamek and Chisora, though his attitude sucks.
Klits have beaten all 3.
They've proven to be good heavyweights, can't argue with that. But, I do not feel they are all time greats and I'm certainly not in the minority.
My thoughts on todays heavyweights exactly - A complete farce of a division where people take advantage of the limitless weight to be undisciplined outside and maybe even inside of their training.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
So what else is f*cking new?!?!?
I'm off heavyweight fights for good. The division is a joke.
The Klitschkos should retire out of pure boredom, and a sense of embarrassment not because of themselves, but because of all the fat-ass, has-been, recycled losers populating the division today. At least sumo wrestlers have an excuse to be lard-asses.
I actually don't know how you can have higher than 10% bodyfat when you're serious about boxing. It's actually fucking hard if your training is up to scratch to put on fat. Shit, I was boxing 2-3 times a week and was the most ripped I've ever been in my life without even trying.
How can these guys call themselves athletes? Requires a bit of dedication to be called one of those...
The Klits are the ones who suffer because they win by default..nobody comes in shape so it's very, very hard to place them amongst the greats.
The problem with your argument on whether or not the Klitschko's are great is that you cannot tell me how they can achieve greatness....what goals must they reach? And if you say "fight each other" I swear to God I will beat you to death with your own shoes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
There are decent heavyweights out there, there are good matchups, the fights just have to be made. Arreola-Stiverne are you telling me you wouldn't watch that? Adamek-Povetkin? Hell Seth Mitchell is set to fight Jonathan Banks, that's a very solid fight IMO! Not every heavyweight fight has to be The Thrilla in Manilla.
To quote the immortal Leonard Ellerbee "You wouldn't do shiiiiiit" ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongThe problem with your argument on whether or not the Klitschko's are great is that you cannot tell me how they can achieve greatness....what goals must they reach? And if you say "fight each other" I swear to God I will beat you to death with your own shoes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
There are decent heavyweights out there, there are good matchups, the fights just have to be made. Arreola-Stiverne are you telling me you wouldn't watch that? Adamek-Povetkin? Hell Seth Mitchell is set to fight Jonathan Banks, that's a very solid fight IMO! Not every heavyweight fight has to be The Thrilla in Manilla.
No, I don't believe Brothers should fight each other, that is asking too much just for people's twisted entertainment.
You know the answer to that yourself, there's not much they can do to achieve greatness as they are in THE or one of THE worst heavyweight eras in history.
The way they go about beating their lackluster opponents, which I know isn't their fault its all thats out there, but the way they go about beating them does not scream "greatness" to me. Jab, jab, jab, clinch, throw a 1-2, clinch, jab. Occasionally a left hook will get in there too. Wlad in particular lets fights go on far too long out of extreme caution when the opponent is no longer dangerous or was never dangerous in the first place. Its like watching the Lews vs. Tua fight on repeat over and over again. The exception to this would of course be Wlad dispatching of Ray Austin in 2 rounds. Vitali takes more risks and if I had to pick one I'd say I do enjoy watching him fight a bit more.
Neither really "dare to be great", but Vitali certainly takes more risks than Wlad.
They are technically sound and win by stoppage more often than not. So they don't go all Ricardo Mayorga on fighters, why should they, they are technically superior to every single fighter they face? Styles don't make fighters great...winning a lot no matter who they fight should provide enough for them to be considered great. So its a weak era, but they are dominating, it's not like they struggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I'm not sure I'd say that they're technically better than most of their opponents. Their size allows them to fight in the style that they fight. At 6'2 they get owned by a good few of their opponents technically IMO of course, I realise this is a stupid argument..I would fight how they fight too if I had their size. I guess my point is that there aren't many other 6'7+ guys out there to test them. Which is why hopefully Price can continue to improve. It will be interesting to see what happens when they finally meet someone who is at least on the level technically and has some statistical advantages - Look how competitive a fight was between an unfocused Lewis and Vitali for example..Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongThey are technically sound and win by stoppage more often than not. So they don't go all Ricardo Mayorga on fighters, why should they, they are technically superior to every single fighter they face? Styles don't make fighters great...winning a lot no matter who they fight should provide enough for them to be considered great. So its a weak era, but they are dominating, it's not like they struggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
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Originally Posted by AlthugzI'm not sure I'd say that they're technically better than most of their opponents. Their size allows them to fight in the style that they fight. At 6'2 they get owned by a good few of their opponents technically IMO of course, I realise this is a stupid argument..I would fight how they fight too if I had their size. I guess my point is that there aren't many other 6'7+ guys out there to test them. Which is why hopefully Price can continue to improve. It will be interesting to see what happens when they finally meet someone who is at least on the level technically and has some statistical advantages - Look how competitive a fight was between an unfocused Lewis and Vitali for example..Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongThey are technically sound and win by stoppage more often than not. So they don't go all Ricardo Mayorga on fighters, why should they, they are technically superior to every single fighter they face? Styles don't make fighters great...winning a lot no matter who they fight should provide enough for them to be considered great. So its a weak era, but they are dominating, it's not like they struggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Time is on the Klitschko's side, however. By the time Price or any other HW prospect out there is ready to challenge the Klits.... and actually make a decent fight out of it.... the argument that the Klits are past their prime will have taken on some importance.
Of course..if I'm price I roll the dice with Wladimir after another couple of fights. If you can outreach Wlad, then he will be forced to fight in a way that is uncomfortable for him. We also know Wlad can be hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzI'm not sure I'd say that they're technically better than most of their opponents. Their size allows them to fight in the style that they fight. At 6'2 they get owned by a good few of their opponents technically IMO of course, I realise this is a stupid argument..I would fight how they fight too if I had their size. I guess my point is that there aren't many other 6'7+ guys out there to test them. Which is why hopefully Price can continue to improve. It will be interesting to see what happens when they finally meet someone who is at least on the level technically and has some statistical advantages - Look how competitive a fight was between an unfocused Lewis and Vitali for example..Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongThey are technically sound and win by stoppage more often than not. So they don't go all Ricardo Mayorga on fighters, why should they, they are technically superior to every single fighter they face? Styles don't make fighters great...winning a lot no matter who they fight should provide enough for them to be considered great. So its a weak era, but they are dominating, it's not like they struggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Time is on the Klitschko's side, however. By the time Price or any other HW prospect out there is ready to challenge the Klits.... and actually make a decent fight out of it.... the argument that the Klits are past their prime will have taken on some importance.