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The Jubilee thread made me want to start a thread with a poll seeing who is for or against the monarchy. I am curious because online most people seem to be apathetic or against the Royal family and yet the media is telling us how great they are. I'm not seeing that at all and thus a Saddo poll as our viewpoints ideally shape the world.
So get your votes in. Are you for or against the monarchy. A simple yes or no.
Yes in regards to Australia, only because the cost of dismantling it all changing all the law papers judges regalia army navy etc etc and putting someone else in the royal position who didnt know what they are doing, could be even more costly to us than keeping her as head.
The Queen gives head?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
In paying for all that in a one time move you are a footstep closer to freedom and a more just system. I want them out. I regard the Queen as a war criminal.
She should have been guillotined this weekend and the masses could have cheered as her head fell into the basket.
I'm only joking in that last post. I would like her tried in a court of law like anybody else.
You should be tried in a court of Law for treason you traitorous Francophile. What is it with you and polls, do you work for IPSOS Mori or something? How can the Jubilee have bothered you so much when you are not even in the country? You sound like Scrooge at Christmas but just to satisfy your facist take on democracy perhaps you may be interested that Mori conducted a Poll just last month in which 80% of British Citizens voted in favour of the Monarchy. The same people would also probably vote in favour of incarcerating treacherous lanky racists in the tower, so watch yourself when you come back on holiday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Just so you know that I harbour no ill feelings toward you, here is a gift to further your Musical and English Education
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa_PbyWUZ4Q
If I was British I would probably have a different view of it, but as an American I don't care for royalty. The Queen is no doubt a great woman and carries herself with dignity and grace and that is respectable, but she's the exception to the rule.
They have no real relevance or interest to me. The Queen has no real excutive power and is just a figure head. For as long as they continue to generate more money than they cost, then I am happy for them to stay.
What I woudl like to see is a Royal family of approx 10 people, not all the hundreds living in castles and having titles because 500 years ago their dog was related to James I's
Those lot have gotta go :mad:
The Saudi's are the worst at thatQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
I don't buy into the argument that the Royal family brings in more money than it costs. The Queen doesn't meet tourists. People will enjoy the fantastic buildings with or without a monarchy in place.
I think the Queen does her job tremendously well, but once she passes I really believe it is time to dismantle the Royal family.
Even hardened Royalists will be cringing at the thought of King Charles.
I am neither heretic nor rebel, just a man that wants a system of reason.
As an American what bothers me is when these empty suit talking head try to force Royalty on us, The Kennedy's for example. JFK's White House was referred to as Camelot....seriously fuck that shit! I think #1 its disrespectful to the way and manner this country was founded and #2 I don't know of many kings who got their money from Daddy's bootlegging business.
But for England royalty seems ok because that's how your country came to exist. Should it be phased out? Perhaps, but as someone on the outside I know its not my call to make.
You might be right, but is there evidence of this in other former Monarch countries? I think the fact the Royal Family are current and still frequent/live in certain buildings is a big part of the tourism. If it was just dwellings where Royals used to live them it would be no different to other countries with former Monarchies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Dunno :-\
I'm not British, but I believe the Monarchy, is a useless, antiquated, colossal waste of money better spent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Abolish it and enter the modern world.
First of all I am not Royalist or a ante Royalist, I don't no if that is a correct answer for our resident anarchist Miles.;D I don't piss on peoples chips if they enjoyed the Jubilee, a friend in work helped to organised a street party,and ever one had a good time. What so wrong with people celebrating the
Monarchy, Miles can't help being bitter yes and very twisted and may be a bit:gay5: even, and our very
own would be anarchist. And if he was Welsh he would burn your house down given a chance, yes he is saddo's very own , Tony Benn.;D
With all due respect Gandalf is not fit to touch the hem of Tony Benn's outer garments
....the fuck is Tony Benn????Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I am against the monarchy and all it represents. We need a classless society and this will help us get nearer to that system.
A great politician.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....the fuck is Tony Benn????Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
If you want a real Socilaist, then look at Dennis Skinner, he only took a working man's wage. Tony Bennis a rich man ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterA great politician.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....the fuck is Tony Benn????Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Why can't you be a rich socialist?Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HIf you want a real Socilaist, then look at Dennis Skinner, he only took a working man's wage. Tony Bennis a rich man ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterA great politician.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....the fuck is Tony Benn????Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I have no issues with a rich socialist. Socialism hardly means communism. If he pays his taxes and wealth is redistributed then he is being a good socialist.
I like Tony Benn, though I disagree with his religious views
Miles do you ever agree with any one's views, let see if I got it right you are a big tit hating/ Socialist/Tory/ Anarchist/ and you say you don't like Kev. bit of a mix there Miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Why can't you just be like me:angel:,;D
What are his views on religion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoMiles do you ever agree with any one's views, let see if I got it right you are a big tit hating/ Socialist/Tory/ Anarchist/ and you say you don't like Kev. bit of a mix there Miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Why can't you just be like me:angel:,;D
Chomsky. Miles would suck Noam off this instant if given the opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoMiles do you ever agree with any one's views, let see if I got it right you are a big tit hating/ Socialist/Tory/ Anarchist/ and you say you don't like Kev. bit of a mix there Miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Why can't you just be like me:angel:,;D
Socialism doesn't work....it's been tried. It didn't work for the Nazi's, didn't work for the Soviets, and it won't work for anyone else.
If you look at the behavioral psychology of economics Capitalism is THE WAY. It encourages innovation, hard work, etc. Socialism doesn't give you incentive to work, quite the opposite actually, but you guys just never will figure that out because you're so busy hating those evil tricky rich people who stole their money and land and have handicapped the system to suit themselves.
Religion well it'part and parcel of my job tomorrow I will have to deal with religion it's a bit hard when you have worked in a Crematorium for 34 years.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhat are his views on religion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoMiles do you ever agree with any one's views, let see if I got it right you are a big tit hating/ Socialist/Tory/ Anarchist/ and you say you don't like Kev. bit of a mix there Miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Why can't you just be like me:angel:,;D
If you could fill me in on the special knowledge and insight that the queen has into Australian military affairs I'd be most grateful? Surely you have somebody over there who can wander around in clothes that cost about as much as it would take to properly kit out an infantry unit. The main job requirement seems to be waving and asking questions to learn more about the normal people and what their lives are like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
I believe a male hermit would be out of touch enough to have to ask basic questions about life, and would probably have forearms strong enough to wave for extended periods of time due to frequent masturbation.
And of course I voted against the monarchy.
Socialism works just fine and continues to work well in countless countries around the globe. Not all states are massively unequal dens where welfare is being stripped back in the name of austerity by fascistic right wing ideologues.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
You need to work out the different between socialism and communism. The terms are not synonymous.
He believes in God, but to his credit Benn seems like a nice enough man even with his faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhat are his views on religion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoMiles do you ever agree with any one's views, let see if I got it right you are a big tit hating/ Socialist/Tory/ Anarchist/ and you say you don't like Kev. bit of a mix there Miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Why can't you just be like me:angel:,;D
That would be wrong, but I do respect Chomsky's views. A very sound man.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlieChomsky. Miles would suck Noam off this instant if given the opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoMiles do you ever agree with any one's views, let see if I got it right you are a big tit hating/ Socialist/Tory/ Anarchist/ and you say you don't like Kev. bit of a mix there Miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Why can't you just be like me:angel:,;D
True but shes our head of state and costs us fuck all and doesnt stick her nose in as a live in one would.Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhunIf you could fill me in on the special knowledge and insight that the queen has into Australian military affairs I'd be most grateful? Surely you have somebody over there who can wander around in clothes that cost about as much as it would take to properly kit out an infantry unit. The main job requirement seems to be waving and asking questions to learn more about the normal people and what their lives are like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
I believe a male hermit would be out of touch enough to have to ask basic questions about life, and would probably have forearms strong enough to wave for extended periods of time due to frequent masturbation.
Plus if we get attacked by Indonesia, we want your asses over here fighting for us cause they outnumber us somewhat.;)
The Nazis were socialist?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I think you got that one WRONG.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThe Nazis were socialist?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
...a bit surprised, I thought you subjects loved your Queen... a big contrast with Japan, where hardly anyone question their royalties...
anyways, I vote 'for'. So why the heck a poor fella from a third world country voting for British monarchy? that's a good question.
Would you like her? With the government looking for cuts during the recession, sub-letting a queen could be useful. You'd probably get her for nothing as long as you agree to cover the private jets and the palaces.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
Except when it comes to linguistics, where it turns out he is more of a naked emperor, who for generations convinced people that he was decked out in the newest and most resplendent clothes.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfThat would be wrong, but I do respect Chomsky's views. A very sound man.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlieChomsky. Miles would suck Noam off this instant if given the opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoMiles do you ever agree with any one's views, let see if I got it right you are a big tit hating/ Socialist/Tory/ Anarchist/ and you say you don't like Kev. bit of a mix there Miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Why can't you just be like me:angel:,;D
...'I wanna be a billionaire, so freakin' bad...Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhunWould you like her? With the government looking for cuts during the recession, sub-letting a queen could be useful. You'd probably get her for nothing as long as you agree to cover the private jets and the palaces.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
...sleeping next to Oprah and the Queen'...
Before you folks think dirty, I said 'next to' not 'with' and there's a heck lot difference between the two... ...just kiddin' babes...
Naw, Mr.superheavyrhun, I think I'll just take the jets and the palaces... Seriously, is it that bad? If the royalties lose respect from their loyal subjects, then it's time for abolision or abdication or whatever you call it. In the first place, that's what they are for right, to unite their people and the country. It's just that from an outsider far away, Great Britain is known for it's monarchy more than anything else so it's hard to imagine GB without the it...
80% of the British people support the monarchy. The 20% who do not are just very loud and whiny.
I think that people who call themselves "subjects" have no self respect. So I wouldn't like to live in a monarchy.
Other than that, I believe that all things considered dictatorship or authoritarian regime doesn't have to be worse for the people than democracy. Of course it's worse in some aspects but in some it can be superior.