Is this the strangest "robbery" ever?

I didn't watch the whole fight, so I can't really comment on who won.

When I was watching I thought Manny's "dominance" was a bit overstated by the HBO people. The crowd would go nuts every time Manny threw a left and were predictably silent when Bradley landed a body shot. Granted, I did think Manny was winning (and I'm a fan).

But when does the "house" guy get robbed? It would make more sense if Bradley dominated and Manny got the decision.

Wild (or not that wild) conspiracy theories: Arum wants to avoid a Floyd fight (meh); some talk about late money in on Bradley so some serious gamblers bought the fight, etc.

The whole thing is strange. I expect the "house" guy to get the corruption, that's what's right (wrong) with boxing.

The only other fight I can think of where the house guy lost was the OScar-Tito fight.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I didn't watch the whole fight, so I can't really comment on who won.

When I was watching I thought Manny's "dominance" was a bit overstated by the HBO people. The crowd would go nuts every time Manny threw a left and were predictably silent when Bradley landed a body shot. Granted, I did think Manny was winning (and I'm a fan).

But when does the "house" guy get robbed? It would make more sense if Bradley dominated and Manny got the decision.

Wild (or not that wild) conspiracy theories: Arum wants to avoid a Floyd fight (meh); some talk about late money in on Bradley so some serious gamblers bought the fight, etc.

The whole thing is strange. I expect the "house" guy to get the corruption, that's what's right (wrong) with boxing.

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there is this being reported. Apparently late money bought in a lot, like it was -432 @ 2 PM today, and then closed at -392.

Both cash cows though, Bradley is so not a cash cow. The opposite of that.

I'm struggling to get my head around this.

If this was corruption I don't see how it involved furthering Bradley's career. It was about gambling money, some kind of weird Arum/Pacquiao/Maywether triange, etc.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I didn't watch the whole fight, so I can't really comment on who won.

When I was watching I thought Manny's "dominance" was a bit overstated by the HBO people. The crowd would go nuts every time Manny threw a left and were predictably silent when Bradley landed a body shot. Granted, I did think Manny was winning (and I'm a fan).

But when does the "house" guy get robbed? It would make more sense if Bradley dominated and Manny got the decision.

Wild (or not that wild) conspiracy theories: Arum wants to avoid a Floyd fight (meh); some talk about late money in on Bradley so some serious gamblers bought the fight, etc.

The whole thing is strange. I expect the "house" guy to get the corruption, that's what's right (wrong) with boxing.

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That word sums up what may have been wrong with this decision.

Even though I can't say, that seems to be the word.

But that's the point, its so odd. It would be so much more normal if corruption screwed over Bradley.

What has happened to boxing? Now the golden boys are being screwed over? Oscar should come back just to be robbed.

Being a pro boxer is the equivalent of being a gay male bottom. Eventually the pro boxer no matter who he is or how accomplished he is, will be fucked in the ass. ;D

It wasn't a one sided fight at all. It was a close fight, watch it again without the volume and HBO. Manny IMO won a close fight but it was very close. COmpubox showed really poor statistical accuracy tonight, and I think that scewed people's view on the fight.

With or without CompuBox..... Manny was 100 times more accurate. Bradley landed very few shots on Manny. But know it's obvious that Manny was going to need a knockout to win this particular fight.

In immediate hindsight, it wasn't the worst I've seen. There were spots late where Manny literally took off, banged his gloves together and just co existed. Tim really looked dead on his feet in spots in 10th and the "old" Manny would have punched holes through him but didn't. No way I thought Bradley "took" the win but maybe when judges get that flavor of the month bug, see a guy looking human etc

If it was a conspiracy it was DEF a take Fredo out on the canoe moment....Arum doing his best Godfather :-X

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

With or without CompuBox..... Manny was 100 times more accurate. Bradley landed very few shots on Manny. But know it's obvious that Manny was going to need a knockout to win this particular fight.

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Watch the fight again, Bradley missed a lot of haymakers, but he landed a lot up the middle and lot of body shots which Manny barely threw. He also countered Manny a ton where Manny would come in with a left hand and Bradley would land a left counter hook, but he would also try to get out of the way of the cross so he would fall back off balance when in reality they both landed an effective blow. He often countered Manny, and often made Manny miss. Just download the fight tomorrow thats all I ask.

I don't know if anyone noticed but before the decision was announced Manny was whispering something to Roach.
I think he caught on to what was happening and told Freddie.

dana white pays the judges to render poor decisions to discredit pro boxing.

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

dana white pays the judges to render poor decisions to discredit pro boxing.

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Lol, I like that thought.
Dana would do something like that, but he would have done it towards Mayweather lol.

...and thats why it doesn't matter who the house fighter is.
all he wants is bad decisions in big fights. the more outrageous the better.

Karma?

The theory that makes most sense to me is that Arum had the rematch planned all along..down to the posters in November. So another house fight and more money for Arum. Cunt

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Originally Posted by Althugz

The theory that makes most sense to me is that Arum had the rematch planned all along..down to the posters in November. So another house fight and more money for Arum. Cunt

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If it's a cooked decision you have to look at who benefits. Biggest money fight would be pac/pbf so in that respect it makes no sense.

And this IS another fight where Pac has looked to have slowed down and not the 3 minute punching machine of old IF he was Bradley wouldnt have lasted, as it was in several rounds his foot was seriously off the gas while Bradley was looking to move and jab, can't have pac landing a couple of shots late and be given the round just for that - which I suspect is what people are doing. It was a close fight.

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Originally Posted by Althugz

The theory that makes most sense to me is that Arum had the rematch planned all along..down to the posters in November. So another house fight and more money for Arum. Cunt

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If it's a cooked decision you have to look at who benefits. Biggest money fight would be pac/pbf so in that respect it makes no sense.

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Sure, I hear what you're saying - But at the same time it's perhaps the best option for Bob Arum and one where he could potentially make more money (depending on how long he drags it on). Remember that if that megafight happens, Arum is splitting the pot with Oscar. This way he gets to keep all profits in-house with the potential of more money down the line from future paydays of his house fighter.

I mean his first reaction was "I'm going to make millions from the rematch but it was an outrageous decision". I think that his greed and hand in this decision is quite obvious.

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Originally Posted by Althugz

The theory that makes most sense to me is that Arum had the rematch planned all along..down to the posters in November. So another house fight and more money for Arum. Cunt

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If it's a cooked decision you have to look at who benefits. Biggest money fight would be pac/pbf so in that respect it makes no sense.

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Sure, I hear what you're saying - But at the same time it's perhaps the best option for Bob Arum and one where he could potentially make more money (depending on how long he drags it on). Remember that if that megafight happens, Arum is splitting the pot with Oscar. This way he gets to keep all profits in-house with the potential of more money down the line from future paydays of his house fighter.

I mean his first reaction was "I'm going to make millions from the rematch but it was an outrageous decision". I think that his greed and hand in this decision is quite obvious.

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Factor in the betting odds against Bradley and Arum has made a ton of money this fight.

It was time for Manny to know how Marquez felt 3 times.

Lmao at Arum's back being turned to Manny during the Buffer's reading of the official scorecards.

Despite all of the chatter, it was not a one-sided match with a bad decision.

rematch
Have it in Los Angeles or London England and away from sin city Las Vegas.
It is about time this fixation on Vegas and all the glitz was replaced by some
old time locations where the actual fights are not just extensions of the glitz
fast money and the story of many broken dreams and tragic stories.

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Originally Posted by Zelley

Despite all of the chatter, it was not a one-sided match with a bad decision.

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Look at:

1. The poll thread I started on the forum.
2. The results reported by "fightscorecollector" in another thread.
3. Bradley's reaction and Bradley's camp's reaction.
4. Watch the fight again.


Then come back and restate your opinion.

I honestly think it was close and id have no problem if pac was given then win and I have no problem with Bradley getting it.

But I do honestly think boxing could learn alot from UFC.

I have not watched the fight and do not know if Arum did fix the fight. He is dammed if he Manny wins controversially against JMM and damned if Manny loses controversially against Bradley. I do know he wants Pac Man to avoid Floyd and wants to keep all fights under Top Rank so he never loses either way. However I do not believe he fixed the fight for Bradley to win because it discredits Pac Man ‘s aura of invincibility and ultimately marketability which is his main focus. It may put people off boxing and paying for the event. So all in all I do not think Arum fixed it but that it was just a bad decision.

I believe any fighter who ends Pacquiao's current reign and has a victory over Manny Pacquiao, almost becomes an instant star. Robbery or Not, deserved or not.
Bradley's marketability just skyrocketed. While Bob might have been getting an idea that Pacquaio was either leaving or retiring.
He was quick to make a name of Bradley, IMO, before it was too late.

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Originally Posted by hardcore_crash

I believe any fighter who ends Pacquiao's current reign and has a victory over Manny Pacquiao, almost becomes an instant star. Robbery or Not, deserved or not.
Bradley's marketability just skyrocketed. While Bob might have been getting an idea that Pacquaio was either leaving or retiring.
He was quick to make a name of Bradley, IMO, before it was too late.

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I've been thinking the same from the moment Bradley got the win but Bradley's marketability won't last as long as Pacquiao's did. So how Arum could see any long-term or even short-term profit I just don't understand. I'm thinking Bradley's marketability might last just one more fight (which I will NOT buy).

The thing is, if PAC leaves/retires and Bradley eventually gets a loss (apart from the rematch), who's going to be Arum's next star fighter? Will he bring Gamboa back from the dungeon?

The house (being the fans) was definitely Manny's. However this fight was in the US with US Judges. I'd say Manny was the visitor, even though no one is saying it. They didn't pick neutral country Judges like is done in other fights.

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Originally Posted by Althugz

The theory that makes most sense to me is that Arum had the rematch planned all along..down to the posters in November. So another house fight and more money for Arum. Cunt

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That's exactly what I think.