Ok, let's get this down in black and white. I'm seeing widely different opinions from people who watched the fight. So let's poll it. Who did you see winning the fight, and by what margin? Feel free to vote and to explain.
Thanks.
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Ok, let's get this down in black and white. I'm seeing widely different opinions from people who watched the fight. So let's poll it. Who did you see winning the fight, and by what margin? Feel free to vote and to explain.
Thanks.
I voted Pac by wide margin. I thought Pac connected much more and more accurately to Bradley's head, even though Bradley was moving his head a lot. I also thought Bradley connected few effective punches, and rushing in throwing punches without landing should not win you a fight. Pac could've been busier toward the end of the fight, but I still think he won comfortably.
I scored it 9-3 for Pacquiao, didn't really think it was close. On the other hand I had Pacquiao losing a close decision to JMM twice, just in case some asshole here thinks I'm a biased fan.
119-109 Pacquiao, gave Bradley one round somewhere between 8 and 12. Here's what happened Round 1 was a feel out round Pac flurries late and wins it, Pacquiao dominates 2-7 landing the most effective blows. 8-12 Bradley Circles Pacquiao but doesn't land effective blows, Pacquiao flurries late to win it. To have Bradley winning this fight is just criminal. All Bradley did was throw a jab into Pacquiao's gloves rush in and throw wide ineffective punches and eat hard left hands.
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As For Pac Marquez since everyone asks
1 - Draw
2 - Pacquiao by a point
3 - Marquez by 2 points
Pacquiao by a wide decision.
From one of the last person you'd expect.
I'm not blind like most of Pacquiao's fan.
I can give credit where it's due.
I wish Pacquaio and his fan's could be honest about his fights.
I mean Bradley literally did nothing effective offensively in this fight.
9-3 pac. no question.
Bradley 7-5. A fight of two halves.
Manny has only himself to blame. In a majority of the rounds he wouldn't do any work for more than 2 minutes of the round and seemed to be taking far too many rounds off.
I don't get excited by audiences gasping at missed blows, I don't get a buzz off of commentators with a hard on for a fighter. I watch the fight and go through it round by round. I don't care about compubox, I don't care who gets hurt the most.
After 12 rounds I ask who won the most rounds and I had it as Bradley. He was down but eked out the win by digging his way back out of a hole.
It is beyond me how anybody can fail to see a close fight. Far too many HBO blinkers IMO.
How can you not care about who gets hurt in a fight? It's the point of a professional prizefight. this isn't the amateurs where you can slap your way to victory.
By the way..... where the hell is fightscorecollector?? I'd be super-interested in the scores he gathers for this fight.
I gave Pac the rounds where he hurt Bradley and landed the more effective blows. But in scoring a fight I don't say 'Pac hurt him 4 times and Bradley didn't hurt him therefore we have a clear winner'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
It is round by round and only in a particular round does it matter who hurts who.
I'm gonna do a very detailed scoring, gonna watch the whole fight in slow-mo with 6 other people, I'll post my results by Monday.
I can't believe people have mentioned anything about Bradley's constant clinching.
I saw him running without doing much but spoiling the fight.
The way I saw it is Bradley stepping his foot of the gas, and Manny not being able to find any openings (Mosley, Marquez).
Whenever Bradley decided to open up Manny quickly got the upper-hand.
As soon as Bradley started feeling Manny's shot around the middle of the fight he began clinching and backpeddling, including circling around Manny.
I think who gets hurt definitely matters, but Bradley was trying to the best of his ability to hurt Manny. He just hasn't learned how to punch the same way, and he doesn't have the instinctive nature hit with the same force that Manny does. Manny definitely follows through with everything while Bradley throws more arm punches, but he was trying to throw them the hardest he knows how, but I don't think that the fact he can't punch as hard should lose him rounds automatically. For all of Manny's superior power, there was more evidence of him being punched than Bradley, his mouth was bleeding pretty badly while Bradley had a little bit of a nose bleed. I honestly felt Manny rocked Bradley a few times, but a few times Bradley was also off balance. What I do care about is who is landing the clean punches and catching the guy in the sweet spot where he isn't moving away from the blow. Many of Manny's punches Bradley was rolling with like Emmanuel Steward always talks about, while Manny just covers up takes punches without any of the that more sophisticated defense. I think Manny was more effective offensively for sure, but that doesn't mean he won way more rounds based on clean effective punching. At least not in each round individually, there were rounds in the middle where he did land a lot more so in total he landed more shots, but not like compubox showed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
I mean anyone who has Bradley winning must have him winning rounds 8-12 I'd assume and to me that is absolutely preposterous. The Second half of this fight was like the second half of Manny's right with Cotto, one guy on his bike doing nothing effective and Manny walking and then deciding to up the tempo and winning the rounds. I mean I understand that Manny only fought for a minute in a lot of rounds. But this thought process went time and time through the late rounds in my head, 2 minutes gone round is still on the table nothing effective so far, Manny lands a big left and wins the round. I mean to score the fight for Bradley you have to also give him two rounds out of the first seven. I just can't see it.
dude your out of your mind, are you just trying to be contraversial for the sake of it??? i could watch thius fight 1000 times and pac wins it every time.... heres a idea when you sober up look at the statistics pffffQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Nonsense. Bradley was boxing and moving in the second half of the fight. Cotto was trying to survive, Bradley was actually outworking his opponent by working the jab and picking his spots. It was effective boxing which wasn't what Cotto was doing. Mosley too was looking to survive, whilst Bradley was using not only using his brain but also had the heart to actually throw some punches. I was very impressed with how Bradley turned the fight around as I thought he was toast after 6. The man has balls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
You don't win a round on a 30 second burst having realised you have been asleep for the rest of the round. Bradley was dictating the second half of the fight. Manny wasn't.
ThisQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Watched a foreign stream.
No compubox numbers.
JMM fan.
Mayweather fan.
Not a fan of either fighter, hoping for a double ko.
Have been critical of Manny multiple times for multiple reasons.
Least favorite fight Manny/DLH.
Picked against Manny in many fights, with money on the line.
All of the above - check.
This fight was a robbery.
Pacquiao by wide margin. I thought Bradley won...like 3 rounds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=HfeiC1sNGBc
To be honest I'm fucked and have been since four .... I'm going to watch it sober with the volume off with my kids and get a sober opinion
Ima sober up and judge this shit on mute as everyone should.....
I had Pac winning rounds 1 to 9, with the 1st round being close. 10 to 12 I gave to Tim. The middle rounds were clearly in Manny's favor. Watched it twice with the 2nd one on mute. The first one, I had it the same. Thought Manny eased on the gas on the late rounds. Still think that even if he gave up the first 2 minutes of every round, as long as he makes a 1 minute rally (which he did in the earlier rounds) then he still wins the round. Anyway, I'm gonna watch it for the 3rd time.
I watched round one thru six gave all of em of to pac then picked up again in rd 9 and 1o n stopped again n then espn announced bradley as the winner, I was sort of duumbounded, granted I mizzed four rounds but only ccause I thought it was so one sided, marquez is one unlucky mofo
im a JMM fan
i had Pacman winning the fight
my immediate thought to Pacman was now you know how JMM felt twice!!!!!!!;D
My Filipino neighbor that drove himself to drink after the third Marquez fight, I ran into outside my door just getting some night air. He had Pacquiao winning 7-5 and I had Bradley winning 7-5 and he was fine with it. He said there was a lot of close rounds and he muted the HBO telecast himself.
It's not out of the question to see this fight 7-5 for either guy or even a draw. No Robbery just a close fight and all about what you're looking for.
Really want to confirm if Arum and Tim's transcripts were accurate. Tim, in no way shape or form was convinced he won the fight before the decision. First time I've seen a controversial decision where the winner was entirely unconvinced he won. Weirdest decision I've seen.
I am appalled to see so many voting Pac by wide margin. Have a close fight in his favour sure, but a wide margin? Nonsense.
When I originally watched the fight I watched as a fan and guessed it a 7-5 or 8-4 Pac. I rewatched the fight as a judge instead of a spectator. I also looked at it from a biased standpoint for both fighters. Not a ridiculous bias but just leaning/favoring one over the other. My results are when I favored Pac I could give him 7 rounds I felt good about and 3 more that made me feel uneasy. When I favored Bradley I saw 3 that I felt good about but I couldn't give him more than 5 total rounds.
you should never be let near a boxing scorecard! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Truth
I should have kept a running scorecard but prefer to just sit back and enjoy it. I think Tim worked his way back into it in the 2nd half but not sure if that was enough. No doubt he figured out Pac by the end and was outboxing him. If his ankle injury is legit next time his movement should be even better.
I had it a draw. But I can see it for either fighter. Seems like Bradley's body work is being ignored. Which is what I think kept him in the fight. Based on Pac little diva act about wanting to wait for the end of the NBA game I have no problem with the verdict
how fucking dare he!!Quote:
Originally Posted by hardcore_crash
clean punching, effective aggressiveness, ring generalship, and defense. ;)
11-1 for Pac.
That's one the worst decisions in history. At the most I can see Bradley winning 3 rounds.
I had 1&2 even. Then 3 to 7 for Pacquiao unfortunately I missed round 8 cause my son woke up! (i didn't think it would matter THIS much!) and quite shockingly 9 to 12 for Bradley.
It was weird how spent Bradley looked at the end of round 6, Pacquiao really should have ended it somewhere between rounds 4 and 7... Only has himself to blame.
HOWEVER , I assumed Pacquiao would still get the win assuming the judges gave him 1,2 and 8 but I guess they didn't.
Bradley 115-113 Pacquaio missed a lot and looked old. He's done, he was out boxed in this fight. He will get a rematch, but i doubt he wins it.
I wasn't keeping a direct scorecard cos I was drinking, but I didn't really think Bradley was in it at all. Manny could have had him out of there in the 4th, why he took his foot off the pedal is beyond me? Bradley couldn't take the speed, and I thought it was going to be an early night, but he just let Bradley back into the fight. Fucking pathetic and that decision was a disgrace to the sport.
I spent £15 for that fight and watched it with all of my mates who aren't propa boxing fans and they were so
Shocked with such a bullshit decision. How anybody could have Bradley winning the fight is beyond me. The only reason you could have given Bradley rounds is because Manny was coasting and letting him
Into the fight, it was horrible to see.
It kinda makes me not support a rematch, why should I pay money to support bullshit things that occur? It's horrible, it's left a really bitter taste on my mouth this morning. If the rematch does happen and Pacquiao doesn't stop Bradley within 5 rounds, I would think there was something bad again happening.
That fight was so bad for the sport of boxing, really feel let down. Hope something happens about this cos
That wasn't right, the way they made you await so long for the fight was too painful, ricky Hatton and buncey were chatting on for so long it was
Painful at times. All around horrible not of boxing, i feel gutted. You had to feel sorry for Jorge Arce too, wtf was that about really?
we can clearly see who the haters are :D