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Ariza is the one person in Pacuiao's entourage he should have listened too.
He knew all along what Bob's intentions where.
This is a perfect example of karma.
As bad is this makes boxing look, this opens everyone's eyes to what sees what Arum and Top Rank have doing.
The one's who had them shut anyways...
Karma would be Arum getting fuc*ed in his rear. So far, it doesn't look that way. God when is this old snake going to retire. He's doing a disservice to the sport just by breathing.Quote:
Originally Posted by hardcore_crash
That's true.
I think he might have blown this one up though.
I can't see Manny sticking around Top Rank too long, and this was just two blatant robberies in a row in front of millions of viewers.
Some people were saying Arum was cashing out on Manny.
He might have just cashed out on boxing as well.(Wishful thinking)
Lets not wish death on anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanum26Karma would be Arum getting fuc*ed in his rear. So far, it doesn't look that way. God when is this old snake going to retire. He's doing a disservice to the sport just by breathing.Quote:
Originally Posted by hardcore_crash
Its just a sport. Manny and mayweather arent paying my bills.
Bob arum wants to block a possible mayweather fight in late 2012 as he knows manny would never win so a rematch makes sense as manny is avoiding marquez as well!
it looks worse that according to what Bradley was saying on twitter days before this fight happens that a rematch was going to happen in November...Quote:
Originally Posted by hardcore_crash
This was Bob's plan all along. Relative unknown(for mainstream fans) beats Pacquiao, they instantly have a rematch and Pacquiao wins it so they erase the loss while still upping Pacquiao's value and taking money from the fans twice.
This was a twitter back and forth on JUNE 8th TWO DAYS AGO
BET Sports @BETSports
@timbradleyjr We saw ur pic of #PacBradley 2 poster, date= Nov. 2012. Is it a guaranteed fight no matter who wins on Sat? #PacBradleyBET
And Bradley's response
@BETSports There is a rematch once I beat him on Saturday night. @BETsports #PacBradleyBET
@BETSports so yes there will be a rematch! @BETsports #PacBradleyBET
;D THEY WERE ALL IN ON IT!!! Brilliant Bob found a way to take the fans money not once but TWICE and it will be even bigger the second time since everyone is screaming robbery this time.
Oh Bob you freaking genius ;D
Bob is a genius. He done the same thing to marquez. Was that fair?Quote:
Originally Posted by Majestyit looks worse that according to what Bradley was saying on twitter days before this fight happens that a rematch was going to happen in November...Quote:
Originally Posted by hardcore_crash
This was Bob's plan all along. Relative unknown(for mainstream fans) beats Pacquiao, they instantly have a rematch and Pacquiao wins it so they erase the loss while still upping Pacquiao's value and taking money from the fans twice.
This was a twitter back and forth on JUNE 8th TWO DAYS AGO
BET Sports @BETSports
@timbradleyjr We saw ur pic of #PacBradley 2 poster, date= Nov. 2012. Is it a guaranteed fight no matter who wins on Sat? #PacBradleyBET
And Bradley's response
@BETSports There is a rematch once I beat him on Saturday night. @BETsports #PacBradleyBET
@BETSports so yes there will be a rematch! @BETsports #PacBradleyBET
;D THEY WERE ALL IN ON IT!!! Brilliant Bob found a way to take the fans money not once but TWICE and it will be even bigger the second time since everyone is screaming robbery this time.
Oh Bob you freaking genius ;D
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this was all a set up. I thought Bradley did enough, but no way were the judges not going to give it to Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majestyit looks worse that according to what Bradley was saying on twitter days before this fight happens that a rematch was going to happen in November...Quote:
Originally Posted by hardcore_crash
This was Bob's plan all along. Relative unknown(for mainstream fans) beats Pacquiao, they instantly have a rematch and Pacquiao wins it so they erase the loss while still upping Pacquiao's value and taking money from the fans twice.
This was a twitter back and forth on JUNE 8th TWO DAYS AGO
BET Sports @BETSports
@timbradleyjr We saw ur pic of #PacBradley 2 poster, date= Nov. 2012. Is it a guaranteed fight no matter who wins on Sat? #PacBradleyBET
And Bradley's response
@BETSports There is a rematch once I beat him on Saturday night. @BETsports #PacBradleyBET
@BETSports so yes there will be a rematch! @BETsports #PacBradleyBET
;D THEY WERE ALL IN ON IT!!! Brilliant Bob found a way to take the fans money not once but TWICE and it will be even bigger the second time since everyone is screaming robbery this time.
Oh Bob you freaking genius ;D
It's the perfect set up. Manny loses and smiles. Bradley says he's got to give the rematch and meanwhile Arum has another in the stable fight for himself. Each of them has something to smile about and no need to bother with that Mayweather fight which Arum was never going to allow to happen.
Nope, but Bob really doesn't care about what's fair he cares about what makes the most money.Quote:
Originally Posted by impBob is a genius. He done the same thing to marquez. Was that fair?Quote:
Originally Posted by Majestyit looks worse that according to what Bradley was saying on twitter days before this fight happens that a rematch was going to happen in November...Quote:
Originally Posted by hardcore_crash
This was Bob's plan all along. Relative unknown(for mainstream fans) beats Pacquiao, they instantly have a rematch and Pacquiao wins it so they erase the loss while still upping Pacquiao's value and taking money from the fans twice.
This was a twitter back and forth on JUNE 8th TWO DAYS AGO
BET Sports @BETSports
@timbradleyjr We saw ur pic of #PacBradley 2 poster, date= Nov. 2012. Is it a guaranteed fight no matter who wins on Sat? #PacBradleyBET
And Bradley's response
@BETSports There is a rematch once I beat him on Saturday night. @BETsports #PacBradleyBET
@BETSports so yes there will be a rematch! @BETsports #PacBradleyBET
;D THEY WERE ALL IN ON IT!!! Brilliant Bob found a way to take the fans money not once but TWICE and it will be even bigger the second time since everyone is screaming robbery this time.
Oh Bob you freaking genius ;D
And rather than having Pacquiao get demolished by Floyd and have to split a purse between promotions and basically ending Pacquiao's career as a mainstream draw(not to mention Pacquiao's retirement). He'd rather have a Bradley fight that the ESPN media runs with as a robbery so when the 'already scheduled' rematch in November which is in 5 months from now it will be a MUCH bigger fight and Pacquiao will win it, all while it's a much bigger fight that time around and more people will be watching it cause of the mainstream attention and Arum will get twice as much money while keeping it all IN HOUSE. Bob is thrilled.
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
You and I pretty much see the same thing
Or maybe the judges are making up for the times mannys opponents were robbed (Marquez)
And this decision could be them rectifying the mistakes. Who knows!
One fight with Mayweather, even in defeat, would make more money than 3 fights with Bradley.
Ariza was right for sure. Ever since the Marquez fight, my respect for him went up 10-fold. You could tell he had a lot to get off his chest and hasn't pulled any punches since. The most honest member of Team Pacquiao.
Arum is a dispicable human being and I hope Manny finally sees this and listens to Ariza.
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Originally Posted by 0james0
Funny thing is you'll probably get three fights with Bradley.
The next fight Bradley will win but the judges will give it to Pacquiao so it will set up a third fight....
Arum has singlle handedly recreated Morales vs Barrera without the EPIC ;D
Would you not say most Promoters are despicable human beings nothing new, one more bad decision!Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
rematch in November how convene-ant one more PPV $$$$$$$$$.;)
So what had ariza said then?
I was about to ask the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
The rematch better have a solid undercard because I would not watch that crap again. The fight was mediocre at best and there's no way I would line the pockets of Top Rank or Arum. I can wait til the morning and see who won. Whats next for Mayweather now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoWould you not say most Promoters are despicable human beings nothing new, one more bad decision!Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
rematch in November how convene-ant one more PPV $$$$$$$$$.;)
I'm of the opinion that the judges looked at Pacman sideways for causing an hour delay. YES, he's the reason why everyone was there. But causing that delay was truly uncalled for. I think the judges gave Bradley all the close rounds to say to Pacman, "you're just a fighter, not GOD!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
Why do fighters always thank God for the win, but never credit God when the other guy wins. "My God is on your side today, well done". God is bollocks, but at least use God fairly.
I will rewatch the fight as I am not happy about being so out of sync with everyone. I need to watch it again. My thoughts and views often evolve, but sometimes they don't. I will have to see.
It's God's followers where you would find a looney or two just like non-believers who rather believe in horoscopes, lucky charms, and what not:rolleyes:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Seriously though, what was Ariza right about?
Non believers who believe in horoscopes? That is almost as bad as a believer.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinoIt's God's followers where you would find a looney or two just like non-believers who rather believe in horoscopes, lucky charms, and what not:rolleyes:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Now a believer who also follows horoscopes? I haven't contemplated this one before. I don't think I like the sound of that at all.
I bet Ariza reads horoscopes and reads the future with mysterious astrological symbols unknown to most men.
I haven't the foggiest what he was right about TBH.
He was right about Arum being a greedy fuck and right about who was to blame for the megafight not having happened yet.
I guess the title of the thread should be "Ariza had the balls to say what everybodyy else in Team Pac knew but didn't have the balls to say"
There seems to be a couple of conspiracies pervading this thread that Arum was behind Bradley winning on Saturday night. I disagree with those conspiracies. If you disagree with the outcome of the fight, chalk it up to judicial indeptitude, nothing more. You have a right to have a jaded view of fight outcomes, but in loss Pacquiao isn't as financially lucrative for Arum as in win.
- It is Pacquiao's last fight under Arum and Bradley is at the beginning of his contract with Arum. Thus, it makes sense that Pacquiao loses because Arum has Bradley, the winner, under contract. This makes no sense because (1) we have no idea if Pacquiao will re-sign with Arum or if this is indeed Pacquiao's last fight with Arum. At the least, this is premature, at the most, it is wrong. (2) Bradley isn't a popular fighter. Among boxing fans and the casual fan, Bradley is not well-thought of. He doesn't have a rabid fan base. It would make more sense if this were Brandon Rios. Tim Bradley, not so much. In the alternative, why not Mayweather? If Arum wanted to cash out on Pacquiao, why not do it with Mayweather where he'd earn much more money.
- Arum influenced the judges to have Bradley win so that he could stage a rematch. This presumes the fight was a financial success and that its success could be repeated because the outcome was controversial. All signs appear to indicate that the ppv numbers on this fight are low. It was the first time where empty seats could be seen at a Pacquiao fight and where tickets were going for below face value the day of the fight. It may be Pacquiao's lowest number of ppv sales since Clottey. Why Arum would want to repeat a relatively unsuccessful fight when he could make more money putting Pacquiao against a bigger name isn't logical. Moreover, he could have staged a rematch even if Pacquiao had won.
- Bradley's victory is a way to postpone a Mayweather fight because the rematch gets in the way of a Mayweather fight. This doesn't make sense either because Mayweather has no plans to fight again this year. Arum has reserved 11/10 for a Pacquiao fight. Canelo is on 9/15. Does Mayweather have a fight date on reserve? If Mayweather isn't fighting until 2013, the rematch won't affect any potential for a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight.
Damn, even Floyd Sr. thought Manny had control of the fight.
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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Is this true? Anybody?
It's in his interest for Pacquiao to win. If Pacquiao were to be knocked out or to lose in the public's eye, it would take away from any chance of a potential super fight with PBF.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazzWolf
I could go through multiple interviews and post quotes from Ariza but I'll just keep it simple with this one:
"Manny can't fight anyone not promoted by Bob"
Not that I'm including you in this bunch, but I'll quote this post about Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratIt's in his interest for Pacquiao to win. If Pacquiao were to be knocked out or to lose in the public's eye, it would take away from any chance of a potential super fight with PBF.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazzWolf
According to most posters negative towards Mayweather Sr., it was always in his best interest to discredit Pacquaio and keep his son away from him.
I'm glad to see all that squared away.
Seriously though, what happened to the posters who kept questioning what Ariza was right about?
Lol