Oscar was at his best @154. I wish he had more fights during his prime at that weight, but i can understand why because most of the big money fights were at 147 during his peak years. 154 suited him well.
That being said, who wins?
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Oscar was at his best @154. I wish he had more fights during his prime at that weight, but i can understand why because most of the big money fights were at 147 during his peak years. 154 suited him well.
That being said, who wins?
Is this a serious question?
He loses and 154 was by no means Oscar "at his best".
Was going to answer, but not much more to add to the posts above.
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That was the fight we saw, right??? Floyd at 154 weighs 150 like he has for both of his fights there....Confused..besides, Floyds best weight was probably 130-140
I reckon you must have been sleep walking when this very actual fight, actually took place!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
Dont tell me, you also are disgusted at the decision at the weekend;D
He probably was if he watched the whole fight.
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These are the kind of "boxing fans" Pacquiao has produced;D
Fans who watch the whole fight to reach an opinion.
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Idiots who dont realise that 2 of the biggest fighters in the last 20 years have already fought each other only 5 years ago;D
Also, I have never said an opinion on who I thought won the fight, that would be stupid having not seen the fight. Same as it would be stupid for someone who has no idea how to score the fight complain about the scores:cool:
Jackasses who, without even having SEEN the fight, rail against those who actually SAW the fight, basing it purely on hate for the fighter on the losing end of the decision.
The same jackasses who bring up experience in amateur boxing scoring, only to get their asses handed to them in other threads regarding PRO boxing scoring.
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Yes, I got my ass handed to me.
Your the sissy knickers that ran off crying when I pointed out you started 6 threads in less than 2 days about 1 fight;D;D
Also, regarding scoring, amateur boxing was around using the queensbury rules about 15 years before pro boxing started using it, so pro boxing must have started using the same scoring system?
people keep complaining about the decision (I had Pacquiao winning), and then complaining about people comparing it to the Marquez decision, thing is (and yes this is directed right at the Pacquiao "fans") when it was Marquez who got fucked over all they would say is that "well two of the three judges had Pacquiao as the winner ;D" even though anyone with half a brain could see that he was clearly beaten, same cane be said in this fight but directed at Bradley, but just cause the role has been switched there is a bigger fit than normal, sorry Pacquiao did get fucked over, royally, but this talk of the decision being overturned is ridiculous, he's not the first guy to have this happen to him, if they do overturn the decision they should do the same for Marquez against Pacquiao for their last two fights, Foreman against Briggs, Lewis/Holyfield I, Whitaker/Chavez Whitaker/Ramirez, etc. guarantee you that if it was Mayweather who had gotten fucked over by the judges against Cotto there wouldn't be half the drama
just sayin
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Originally Posted by ross
I watched the fight, and thus can start as many threads as I want (I already explained that 3 were direct responses to other issues... but you only read what you want to read). You, on the other hand, didn't watch the fight..... and incredibly are STILL bitching and moaning about those who thought it was a bad decision. Tell me... who's got more right to post?
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I think what the poster is trying to say is that a peak Oscar at the weight, which was possibly against Vargas, would have beaten Floyd who won a close split decision against an old faded Oscar.
It's funny because though DLH may have been at his prime physically, that fight was a lot closer than it should have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
De La Hoya was stubborn on using Mayweather Sr's guard and defense.
He used it wrong and was much too squared and left huge openings for Vargas.
Part of the reason Oscar was so marked up and bloody was just because he was trying new techniques.
He could have won that fight MUCH, easier IMO.
I watched that fight again last week, it's one of my favorites.
LooooolQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
Floyd beat oscar 9-3 at least.
At his weight
With his gloves
His size boxing ring
And whatever price split.
Floyd will always be a welterweight or lower. He is not as effective above 150>
Not that I want to defend Pacquaio fans, but his join date is 06.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Given Pacquiao didn't fight DLH until Dec 08, I think it's safe to say he doesn't fall in to that category of Pacquaio fans.
Lol
That is my biggest problem with Oscar and makes me scratch my head about how great he truly was. He was very mechanical and fought accordingly to his current trainer. Whereas talented fighters would make slight adjustments, Oscar looked almost hindered and uncomfortable if he had to fight a different way than what was natural for him.
Yeah some people are not aware of that. floyd literally dave oscar everything... it was like a transaction... the passing of a torch.... or cash cow or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Oscar was much bigger than floyd and more powerful. Half a stone makes such a difference.
Floyd is at a big disadvantage fighting at these weights but thats the risk you have to take sometimes.
Fighting martinez at 154 will be a cracking fight and floyd will have to rely on his defence and accuracy to win the decision.
What about Floyd vs De La Hoya at 145lbs?! ;D
I think a peak Oscar mashes Floyd. Old man Oscar was jabbing the shot out of Floyd before he crapped out. Peak Oscar keeps the jab goin and goes in for the kill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
It would be a disservice to Floyd to say Oscar was an old man in that fight. He wasn't old or washes up although I concede that he was not the fresh. He lost because he wailed away too many punches spending his energy too early and he stopped using the one tool that made him win the rounds that he did...his jab.
Most of us are saying that this is not Floyd s best weight so is a complement to his skills that he beat Oscar at a weight he is not natural at.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavilaJones
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Originally Posted by MasterMost of us are saying that this is not Floyd s best weight so is a complement to his skills that he beat Oscar at a weight he is not natural at.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavilaJones
This.
I was skimming through thoe posts on my phone, haste makes waste and I made a big boobo. Ignore my earlier comment gents.
What about a 2002 154 lb DLH vs 2012 154 lb Mayweather?
I think that is the best question, not sure if that is what Sleepwalker meant.
He did and I say Oscar wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by hardcore_crash
That is exactly what i meant. I should have been more clearQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe did and I say Oscar wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by hardcore_crash
Where have you been, sleeping. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SleepwalkerThat is exactly what i meant. I should have been more clearQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe did and I say Oscar wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by hardcore_crash