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No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
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Bradley should get the Marquez fight...nothings changed...boxing still corupt
job biscuit (bob arum)!!!
eh eh!!!
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
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Otley
Bradley should get the Marquez fight...nothings changed...boxing still corupt
job biscuit (bob arum)!!!
eh eh!!!
No, He was beating by Pacquia, and now Pacquiao is doing to the right thing in fighting that man many believe truly beat him.
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I would prefer this to be honest, my valuation of Pacquiao has gone down though after recent performances. I have been let down to say the least , I really thought he beat Bradley but it wasn't to be.
Fighting Marquez again, I've heard in Mexico city, is in fairness an honourable move from Pacquiao , Marquez deserves that fight, and I personally think Marquez will get the win. Where will this leave Pacquiao? On paper 2 losses and no doubt fading....that leads me to think we will never actually see Pacquiao - Mayweather which is shit really.
I personally feel pacquiao can peform better than he has done in recent fight, he really just has taken his foot off the pedal and I don't know why, I really did feel he should have had Bradley out of there. But maybe I am realising that Pacquiao is no doubt fading now, and that's sad to see because it really does mean that we won't see Pacquiao - Mayweather.
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This will be the end for Pac. Can he withstand 3 fights in a row that everyone thought he lost?
I'm starting to look at him like I did Shane Mosley.
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0james0
This will be the end for Pac. Can he withstand 3 fights in a row that everyone thought he lost?
I'm starting to look at him like I did Shane Mosley.
I know what you mean, but I just know deep down Pacquaio isn't Mosley though, he's a beast and it frustrating because he just doesn't unleash it anymore, he coasts fights and if he just used his supieroir handspeed and footwork like he did in other fights he can knock anyone out. I thought he would have had Bradley out of there in the 4th, but he just didn't follow it up. It's shit to see because I know pacquiao is better than what we have seen of late. He just really has lost the desire as hunger I think and that's why he is performing like he is now.
It's fucking shit really cos the pacquiao who was knocking out Hatton and Cotto , IMO would have been Mayweathers toughest test but the pacquiao of present has no chance.
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Pacman got caught up in his own hype. Coming up in weight, stopping everyone. Now all he want to do is trade and get into exchanges. Fighting fighters that only come forward. Now his last two fights against JMM and Bradley, counterpunches, people thinks his skill level has subsided. Pacman was matched perfectly. THATS ALL!!! Now he and Freddie have to make adjustments. And after al these years Freedie was only training Manny to be explosive and not technical to defeat counterpunchers. Let's see how his next training camp goes.
By the way, who didn't know Arum wasn't going to match up JMM vs Pacman? It's perfect for Arum. That fight, then get a few Million from Bradley vs Mayweather. Then Bradley vs Manny 2. More millions. Then a final contract fight for Manny.
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
Pac scared. No surprise. :rolleyes:
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
No point in a rematch, he already beat Bradley very convincingly... even Stevie Wonder seen that.
Mayweather needs to get this fight on before he gets screwed by the judges and they both lose millions.
Delays to this will effect no one but themselves and the purse.... maybe its already too late. :-\
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
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Saddo
No point in a rematch, he already beat Bradley very convincingly... even Stevie Wonder seen that.
Lmfao!1! ;D
Sorry to say, but Stevie Wonder doesn't know shizzle about boxing. Maybe Ray Charles, but that's another story. :-\
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
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GOAT
Sorry to say, but Stevie Wonder doesn't know shizzle about boxing.
sounds like perfect credentials for Vegas judging ;D
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
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GOAT
Sorry to say, but Stevie Wonder doesn't know shizzle about boxing.
sounds like perfect credentials for Vegas judging ;D
Vegas?? This entire planet is Vegas. If you know what I mean...:rolleyes:
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
people really want to see pac marquez AGAIN??? who cares...it'll be the same fight as last time and the time before and the time before.
pac should rematch bradley in the fall, make 25 million and take on mayweather in spring and make 40 million. then retire.
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
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ruthless rocco
people really want to see pac marquez AGAIN??? who cares...it'll be the same fight as last time and the time before and the time before.
pac should rematch bradley in the fall, make 25 million and take on mayweather in spring and make 40 million. then retire.
PAC only made 10 mil for that fight
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
Pac has only had one bad fight. His fight with Marquez was a good fight (nothing unusual about that) and no one said anything about Pac possibly fading after that fight. Im not saying he isnt showing signs of fading because he probaby is. With his style and the wars hes been in theres no doubt its going to start taking its toll sometime. I do think we can see a ressurgance in Pac tho like great champs have been known to do. If he loses to marquez I wouldnt be surprised if he retired. If he wins another controversial decision I wouldnt be suprised if he retired.
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
I think this is more personal for Pac and probably his last fight. I don't think he wants to fight on much longer and what better fight to go out on? He created a star in Bradley and thats what Top Rank probably wanted. It seems more like a WWE story line now. But if I was Mayweather I jump on Bradley asap.
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
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Ant Live
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ruthless rocco
people really want to see pac marquez AGAIN??? who cares...it'll be the same fight as last time and the time before and the time before.
pac should rematch bradley in the fall, make 25 million and take on mayweather in spring and make 40 million. then retire.
PAC only made 10 mil for that fight
What a silly comment, no one wants to see a rematch. A rematch would be interesting only to JMM fans if Pac loses again by decision to further the belief Arum beat JMM not Pac with orhestrated decisions. At the same time Pac fans need to stop crying and suck it up as they would tell JMM fans to stop being crybabies / poor sports.
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
Meh not excited about this at all. I wanted to see PAC come in at 143 and smash Bradley again. Then maybe fight jmm. This fight will probably be boring. I see it now PAC comes in at 150 and can't chase jmm around the ring. Then jmm sits back and waits to counter punch. So we will have two fuckers never coming forward to fight. Meh
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
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jon09
I think this is more personal for Pac and probably his last fight. I don't think he wants to fight on much longer and what better fight to go out on? He created a star in Bradley and thats what Top Rank probably wanted. It seems more like a WWE story line now. But if I was Mayweather I jump on Bradley asap.
Amen, then he really has no need to fight with Pac with a win. He could also earn the rights to a larger purse % vs Pac as I beleive he always should have had (the undefeated one) I saw very little skill set in Bradley just heart. I think JMM would have stoppped Bradley based on style not meant as a minus against Pac. Pac totally outclassed Bradley. Then again Bradley was a hand picked non power punching threat moving up in weight. So it was a mismatch even before the fight.
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chris6878
Meh not excited about this at all. I wanted to see PAC come in at 143 and smash Bradley again. Then maybe fight jmm. This fight will probably be boring. I see it now PAC comes in at 150 and can't chase jmm around the ring. Then jmm sits back and waits to counter punch. So we will have two fuckers never coming forward to fight. Meh
No JMM wins this one much easier than his decision loss. We all could see
jmm was juiced up. Pac on the contrary has not been juiced up the last two fights, Hence the stamina problems and the obvious lack of muscle definition. JMM juiced up and Roach and Ariza were not prepared. JMM called their bluff knowing well JMM would not take a test. Kudos to Pac for still being competitve, but no way he won that fight. If you think so I say shut the F___ up and that Bradley won too ..... I have a feeling Pac will rejuice for this finale ... JMM will be that much more comfortable with his weight and new injected training method . I see a KO one way or the other and a great fight ! an epic PEDS clash.
I can not help but think all this religion crap on Pac's behalf is because the sh_t is about to hit the fan and he is about to be exposed by someone internally and many will lose all respect for him and his accomplishments. By having god he will have the courage to cope. In many cases many will go easy on him. Throw in the Ariza issue, hmmmmmmmmmmm maybe he wants to distance himself from what is about to happen, either way the Arum / Pac circus will be over in 2013. It was a great ride and awesome promoting / manipulation by both.
Pac has great character issues: cheating womanizer, gambler & heavy drinker , fear of needles yet has tattoos. Never speaks unless Arum allows him to. Hmmmmmm for thant kinda money which fighter would not buy into the scheme ? Yet we are all to beleve he has not used PEDS.
ISee most current shattered sports records and you see an *cheating sports star aside the *. Yet we are to believe Pac is the exception defying hundreds of years of boxing history with limited boxing skills.
BTW .. Roach sucks ....................... What has he done without Pac ? Name some fighters he has led to elite status? Roach is so full of himself and gets away with it because of his handicap.
JCC Jr , nope he is schooled by Daddy .
Guess I just want fresh air .. all this catch weight , fake P4P press manipulation, HBO, Showtime. Boxing has gone the Barnum route .
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
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Addicted to_boxing
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chris6878
Meh not excited about this at all. I wanted to see PAC come in at 143 and smash Bradley again. Then maybe fight jmm. This fight will probably be boring. I see it now PAC comes in at 150 and can't chase jmm around the ring. Then jmm sits back and waits to counter punch. So we will have two fuckers never coming forward to fight. Meh
No JMM wins this one much easier than his decision loss. We all could see
jmm was juiced up. Pac on the contrary has not been juiced up the last two fights, Hence the stamina problems and the obvious lack of muscle definition. JMM juiced up and Roach and Ariza were not prepared. JMM called their bluff knowing well JMM would not take a test. Kudos to Pac for still being competitve, but no way he won that fight. If you think so I say shut the F___ up and that Bradley won too ..... I have a feeling Pac will rejuice for this finale ... JMM will be that much more comfortable with his weight and new injected training method . I see a KO one way or the other and a great fight ! an epic PEDS clash.
I can not help but think all this religion crap on Pac's behalf is because the sh_t is about to hit the fan and he is about to be exposed by someone internally and many will lose all respect for him and his accomplishments. By having god he will have the courage to cope. In many cases many will go easy on him. Throw in the Ariza issue, hmmmmmmmmmmm maybe he wants to distance himself from what is about to happen, either way the Arum / Pac circus will be over in 2013. It was a great ride and awesome promoting / manipulation by both.
Pac has great character issues: cheating womanizer, gambler & heavy drinker , fear of needles yet has tattoos. Never speaks unless Arum allows him to. Hmmmmmm for thant kinda money which fighter would not buy into the scheme ? Yet we are all to beleve he has not used PEDS.
See all of most current shattered sports records and you see an *cheating sports star aside the *. Yet we are to believe Pac is the exception defying hundreds of years of boxing history with klimited boxing skills?
BTW .. Foach sucks ....................... What has he done without Pac ? Name some fighters he has led to elite status?
JCC Jr , nope he is schooled by Daddy .
Guess I just want fresh air .. all this catch weight , fake P4P press manipulation, HBO, Showtime. Boxing has gone the Barnum route .
Hilarious, I also tend to believe majority if not all pro athletes take illegal shit. Fucking jmm will drink piss cause he thinks it gives him an edge. Floyd taking illegal drugs for his brittle hands well illegal everywhere except for his Vegas, which he never leaves. They all do it, people want to believe in there heros but look at it this way, before the 80s there was no such thing as a ped. Roids were legal and used as a supplement to training. They got demonized by the us when Ben Johnson smashed Carl.
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
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0james0
This will be the end for Pac. Can he withstand 3 fights in a row that everyone thought he lost?
I'm starting to look at him like I did Shane Mosley.
He's already there, unless there is a complete turn around in the way he fights then he will lose to Marquez, maybe he thinks losing to Marquez would not be as embarrassing as losing to Bradley twice? A loss to Marquez and his career might still continue, if he loses to Bradley a 2nd time it's all over!
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
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Originally Posted by Saddo;1079680[B
]No point in a rematch, he already beat Bradley very convincingly... even Stevie Wonder seen that.[/B]
Mayweather needs to get this fight on before he gets screwed by the judges and they both lose millions.
Delays to this will effect no one but themselves and the purse.... maybe its already too late. :-\
Right, and Bradley isn't marketable, I doubt that there would be any interest in a Pac-Brad II. Bradley's trinket is worthless, everyone knows who the WBO WW title really belongs to.
Pac may as well fight Marquez again, what's really left for him, and if a fight ever gets put together with Mayweather, it needs to be anywhere but Vegas.
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I'm in the minority here but hell yes, Pac jmm always makes for a fun competitive fight so why not. no need for a bradley rematch its clear as day who won that fight...I just hope marquez can finally get that well deserved w
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
Eh, luke warm here. I get it and all but sometimes two guys know each other far too well. I think Manny has 1-2 retro explosive Pac shows in him mentally and even physically and personally I'd take Bradley and absolutley dismantle him and take the TKO, prestige and title that was seemingly there instead of coasting it out. Right the wrong, peak momentum and have Marquez speak going and go into a 4th then.
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I hate to say this but manny vs jmm a fourth time pure agony. I hate the bittersweet decision. Great fights and horrible endings. In a year with bad decision after bad decision I just don't think I have the mental fortitude to swallow another one.
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
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Ant Live
Pacman got caught up in his own hype. Coming up in weight, stopping everyone. Now all he want to do is trade and get into exchanges. Fighting fighters that only come forward. Now his last two fights against JMM and Bradley, counterpunches, people thinks his skill level has subsided. Pacman was matched perfectly. THATS ALL!!! Now he and Freddie have to make adjustments. And after al these years Freedie was only training Manny to be explosive and not technical to defeat counterpunchers. Let's see how his next training camp goes.
By the way, who didn't know Arum wasn't going to match up JMM vs Pacman? It's perfect for Arum. That fight, then get a few Million from Bradley vs Mayweather. Then Bradley vs Manny 2. More millions. Then a final contract fight for Manny.
Hes deffinately slowed down. You can see by the way he moves in the ring compared to what he used to before.
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
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Saddo
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GOAT
Sorry to say, but Stevie Wonder doesn't know shizzle about boxing.
sounds like perfect credentials for Vegas judging ;D
When Stevie Wonder gets into his eighties, then he'll be perfectly qualified to be a Vegas judge.
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Was carl froch past it when he lost to ward? No, so i give credit to andre.
Was khan past it when he lost to prescott? No, so i give credit to prescott.
Was haye past it when he lost to old carl johnson? No, so i give credit to prescott.
Bottom line is these fighters recovered from there losses even though their opponents NULIFIED their attack.
Moseley, marquez and bradley gave pac more problems than top ranks cotto, margacheato and clotty ever could and hatton was a perfect choice as he was another fighter coming of a loss.
Everyone must respect pacs power and skill and his achievements but to ignore the fact his last three opponents caused him issues is pretty ignorant which has exposed his flaws like the morales loss and first marquez fights.
Let pac fight clotty again end of 2012 and cotto again early 2013 at another catchweight..."bloody nora, did you see pacs speed last night? Hes great! Hes amazing! Knocked out cotto this time even earlier! Wow! Yeah, bring margarito out of retirement! Pac is back! Lets get hatton again!"
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
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Ant Live
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ruthless rocco
people really want to see pac marquez AGAIN??? who cares...it'll be the same fight as last time and the time before and the time before.
pac should rematch bradley in the fall, make 25 million and take on mayweather in spring and make 40 million. then retire.
PAC only made 10 mil for that fight
says here the NSAC has him making $26 million....
https://twitter.com/boxing/status/210818062893580289
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
I would watch Pacquiao fight Marquez 10 times as long as they match up so well, either man can still badly hurt the other and therefore a completely different result to what we've seen is never out of the question. If the decision had gone the right way against Bradley, who wouldn't rather see Pacquiao fight Marquez again? I don't care what the judges saw, I didn't think the fight was terribly exciting and had Manny winning by at least 4 rounds.. Manny and Marquez are both on their way out and a 4th fight in Mexico City would be a great farewell for the fans, not to mention a fight Marquez seriously deserves.
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
As a courtesy to long-suffering fans, Pac-Marquez IV should end when one of them is KO'ed.
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
The world knows what happened. Bradley is a paper champ and Marquez makes a shit load more money.
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
It would be fearless for Pacquiao if he fights Marquez in Mexico. If he does that, then ,maybe he intends that to be his last fight. I strongly do not recommend that & I doubt that will happen. He would be in hostile territory and the only way he can win is if he knocks JMM out.
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
There is no evidence that he will get burnt in Mexico city. They have not had a major fight there in years. Plus Marquez has already been burnt in Vegas arguably twice.
Fighters need to travel to other peoples backyards if boxing is to survive. Its part of the risk/reward.
This home field stuff has gotten out of hand the last few years. Sturm hides out in Germany, Kessler in Denmark, Ward in Cali etc etc etc
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
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InTheNeutralCorner
It would be fearless for Pacquiao if he fights Marquez in Mexico. If he does that, then ,maybe he intends that to be his last fight. I strongly do not recommend that & I doubt that will happen. He would be in hostile territory and the only way he can win is if he knocks JMM out.
Same as if Marquez fights in Las Vegas ( minus the hostile part)
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IamInuit
There is no evidence that he will get burnt in Mexico city. They have not had a major fight there in years. Plus Marquez has already been burnt in Vegas arguably twice.
Fighters need to travel to other peoples backyards if boxing is to survive. Its part of the risk/reward.
This home field stuff has gotten out of hand the last few years. Sturm hides out in Germany, Kessler in Denmark, Ward in Cali etc etc etc
Does this mean that it's alright for Marquez to fight Pacquiao in the Philippines? ;D
With such hostile crowd, I don't think any judge will risk life and limb to score a fight for Pacquiao. His only chances for a win is to take that decision off the judges hands.
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Re: No Bradley rematch, Pacquiao vs Marquez 4 in the works for November 10
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Addicted to_boxing
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InTheNeutralCorner
It would be fearless for Pacquiao if he fights Marquez in Mexico. If he does that, then ,maybe he intends that to be his last fight. I strongly do not recommend that & I doubt that will happen. He would be in hostile territory and the only way he can win is if he knocks JMM out.
Same as if Marquez fights in Las Vegas ( minus the hostile part)
Las Vegas is supposed to be neutral territory for both Pacquiao and Marquez. And Manny's last fight proved that he does not have any sway with the judges, or maybe not anymore.
But if the two of them are to fight again, I prefer that it will not be in Las Vegas.
What cheating happens in Vegas should stay in Vegas.
