This is getting ridiculous:rolleyes:
Tarver Positive for Banned Substance After Kayode Bout - Boxing News
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This is getting ridiculous:rolleyes:
Tarver Positive for Banned Substance After Kayode Bout - Boxing News
And, from what I hear, he looked like shit in that fight. What these dingbats don't get, and this is why modern fighters suck, is this: Boxing is a cerebral activity. It doesn't matter how big or how muscular you may be...if you are ring-stupid you'll get beat up.
Yeah you can add muscle, stamina, recovery abilities but if you are shit at fighting you will still be shit at fighting. Wont add to the skills.
Getting sick of it, has there ever been a time when so many high profile fighters have tested positive in such a short space of time? :mad:
He did look like shit, but in fairness Tarver is not really ring stupid, which his opponent Kayode certainly was. It doesn't say what he actually tested positive for, but with the way he fought it just seemed he lacked energy and couldn't pull the trigger unless the guy was begging him to. I would guess testosterone or EPO, something like that will be the culprit here. And if that was the best he can produce even with drugs, stick a fork in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Wont be epo then.....Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingHe did look like shit, but in fairness Tarver is not really ring stupid, which his opponent Kayode certainly was. It doesn't say what he actually tested positive for, but with the way he fought it just seemed he lacked energy and couldn't pull the trigger unless the guy was begging him to. I would guess testosterone or EPO, something like that will be the culprit here. And if that was the best he can produce even with drugs, stick a fork in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Getting flushed out, one by one!
Normally they'd probably interview Kayode and get his reaction to Tarver testing positive.
But after Kayode blew a gasket on Jim Grey following the fight... I don't think anyone's gonna want to get anywhere near him.
;D
drostanolone, it says right in the article.
I wonder if Showtime will fire him? That would really suck for Tarver, I really liked him as a commentator.
Imagine testing hot for that performance? Perhaps he should have tried the opposite and ingested a few downers.
I think he might be calling the Ortiz fight. Wonder if he has the balls to bring it up.
Wow, thats too bad. He wasn't very enhanced I'd say but rules is rules. A guy as sharp as he seems to be had to know he'd get popped ??? In fairness and in light of his interview though...I'd test Kayode for shrooms...or something. Half joking there :-X
What the hell is going on? Everyone is on the juice... I want my god damn boxing back.
Does anyone think this will impact his showtime job ? Think they may let him go over it ?
I doubt it myself.
Jones tests positive and he still calls fights from time to time. I think as a point of morality he should not be allowed to have his job back until he makes a public apology.
Yeah but I think Roy's excuse actually checked out so the pub;ic image hit wasn't as severeQuote:
Originally Posted by DavilaJones
With all these positive test results lately, it does make Pacquiao look even more suspect for not taking them and even asking what the penalty would be if found taking them!;D
Wow, Drostanalone?? I don't get that at all..why the fuck would he take it?? Drostanalone is a mild hardener..it would do very little for boxing. I just can't see the application for it here???
These fighters must have some really idiotic strength and conditioning coaches. If you're gonna do it you'd never do something as weak as drostanalone. Also it's not a common ped but not exactly "designer"...did this idiot think it wouldn't show up in a test ???
I meant Tarver by that remark, sorry I should have been more specific.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinchekkedYeah but I think Roy's excuse actually checked out so the pub;ic image hit wasn't as severeQuote:
Originally Posted by DavilaJones
BoxingScene.com: We have established that Antonio Tarver has tested positive for an anabolic steroid, but what exactly is drostanolone? A quick search brings up Masteron in conjunction with it.
Victor Conte: One is the generic name and one is the trade name, just like stanozolol is the generic name for Winstrol. So it’s basically sold as Masteron, but it actually is drostanalone.
In my opinion, this is not something that would appear to be an accident. If somebody was going to be very smart about testing and avoidance of testing, this is a drug you would use—the anabolic steroid. The reason is because it clears relatively quickly. Some forms can be out of your system in about three weeks.
I want you to have a background on this. There are two types. The one you typically see is a propionate, the ester, which is a fast-acting form. We don’t know what he took. It could be Masteron. That is what’s called drostanolone propionate.
But then they have this new kind of drostanolone called Mastabol. It’s a combination of two esters. There’s the fast-acting ester called propionate, combined with a slower-acting ester called enanthate. It’s not likely that’s what he took.
It’s more likely he took Masteron. The reason why is because it’s perfect for a boxer in that it doesn’t cause water retention. Two, the propionate version clears much faster—three weeks, compared to the enanthate form which could take up to three months.
So my take is, if you knew you weren’t going to be tested, and you wanted to make sure the drug had cleared your system, and you didn’t want to have extra water weight, for an athlete who has to make a weight limit, this would be the right stuff. This is my opinion, only, but this might be a drug that somebody who has an understanding of the way anabolic steroids work would recommend to a fighter like Antonio Tarver.
BoxingScene.com: How would something like this be taken, especially in terms of trying to beat a drug test? According to you, the propionate version of drostanolone is fast-acting in contrast to the enanthate version of drostanolone, which is slower to leave your system.
Victor Conte: This is really important stuff here. Testosterone propionate is called a fast-acting ester. I want to explain this in lay terms so you can get it. What that means is that the half-life, meaning when you have to take another dosage, is two days. However, the clearance time is about three weeks.
That means when you have propionate form of this particular drug, drostanolone propionate, you have to take it three times a week like Monday, Wednesday, Friday, perhaps an injection every other day. It is also my understanding that drostanolone is available as an oral steroid called “Superdrol” as well.
BoxingScene.com: What about if you took drostanolone in the much slower-acting enanthate form?
Victor Conte: If you took a testosterone enanthate or a drostanolone in enanthate form, and not the propionate, it stays in your system much longer. Because Masteron doesn’t stay in your system as long as Mastabol, why would a smart guy ever take the latter knowing it would be detectable in your system for longer?
BoxingScene.com: MMA fighter “King” Mo Lawal tested positive for drostanolone but initially claimed he might have taken some contaminated supplements. The same issue of contamination has surrounded Andre Berto’s recent positive test for trace amounts of nandrolone as well. Is a similar scenario possible in Tarver’s case? Is there a situation where this all could have been an accident, in your opinion?
Victor Conte: It’s certainly possible, but I don’t think it’s likely. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a contaminated supplement in history that contained trace amounts of drostanolone. “King” Mo just tested positive for this substance, too. My understanding is that it was a result from a supplement he bought over the counter from Max Muscle. I’m not sure if the product was Superdrol or not.
Here’s the thing that could happen. There are these underground labs that make all kinds of steroids. They use glassware such as flasks and beakers, and if you don’t clean those thoroughly with very strong, powerful acids to remove the ultra-trace amounts of each steroid, you can get cross-contamination when you manufacture other legal products with the same equipment. So it could be trace contamination, but either way you look at it, it’s bad news.
I’ll give you a hypothetical. Let’s say this lab was making testosterone, and they were selling it on the black market. Then they don’t thoroughly clean the flasks and beakers good, and then they made a batch of this drostanolone on the same equipment, and it gets contaminated.
So conceivably, a guy could buy black market testosterone and take that in micro-doses to keep his testosterone ratio below the legal threshold of 4-to-1. Problem is it came from the black market, and he could have taken testosterone contaminated with another steroid, and then test positive for that steroid.
I’ve never heard of drostanolone-contaminated meats, like I have other steroids such as nandrolone and clenbluterol. But drostanolone is the type of drug that bodybuilders use for cutting cycles, and not bulking, meaning it burns fat, and two, it doesn’t cause water retention like testosterone.
Masteron and Mastabol are also seen as more exotic steroids, and two to three times more expensive than something like testosterone cypionate, which is what people generally use for injectable testosterone replacement therapy.
BoxingScene.com: Ultimately, what do you think happened here?
Victor Conte: Hypothetically, if Tarver knew that he wasn’t going to be tested for a month, and was intentionally using this drug, he would have likely been using the Masteron brand and not Mastabol because it’s the fast-acting form with a clearance time of about three weeks.
Whatever it was that Tarver took, if there was trace cross-contamination, much like the Berto case, bottom line is when you take these sorts of products that have these wacky names listed on them, you’re just asking for this sort of stuff. If there’s something you want to take, and you’re unsure, VADA and USADA have experts you can call on a hotline who will tell you if it will or won’t cause a positive test.
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Originally Posted by rossWont be epo then.....Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingHe did look like shit, but in fairness Tarver is not really ring stupid, which his opponent Kayode certainly was. It doesn't say what he actually tested positive for, but with the way he fought it just seemed he lacked energy and couldn't pull the trigger unless the guy was begging him to. I would guess testosterone or EPO, something like that will be the culprit here. And if that was the best he can produce even with drugs, stick a fork in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Epo has nothing to do with energy. Just red blood cell count.
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Originally Posted by Althugz
Lol yea these guys are fools. Just do the king. Test ethanate would help with recovery, strength and lean body mass. Get off it at least a month before fight time to drop all the water. Fuckin idiots.
Yeah and what do red blood cells do?Quote:
Originally Posted by chris6878Quote:
Originally Posted by rossWont be epo then.....Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingHe did look like shit, but in fairness Tarver is not really ring stupid, which his opponent Kayode certainly was. It doesn't say what he actually tested positive for, but with the way he fought it just seemed he lacked energy and couldn't pull the trigger unless the guy was begging him to. I would guess testosterone or EPO, something like that will be the culprit here. And if that was the best he can produce even with drugs, stick a fork in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Epo has nothing to do with energy. Just red blood cell count.
Ill tell you... They carry oxygen around the body and what do we use oxygen as? Energy!
The more oxygen fighters on epo can get around their body, the harder they can work and for longer. Check Mosley against De La Hoya (at least, probably lots more of his fights) in the rematch.
Fuck sakes.... Basic stuff;D
What is Tarver saying about this. He normally has a big mouth about every topic under the sun and now he is quiet.
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Originally Posted by rossYeah and what do red blood cells do?Quote:
Originally Posted by chris6878Quote:
Originally Posted by rossWont be epo then.....Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingHe did look like shit, but in fairness Tarver is not really ring stupid, which his opponent Kayode certainly was. It doesn't say what he actually tested positive for, but with the way he fought it just seemed he lacked energy and couldn't pull the trigger unless the guy was begging him to. I would guess testosterone or EPO, something like that will be the culprit here. And if that was the best he can produce even with drugs, stick a fork in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Epo has nothing to do with energy. Just red blood cell count.
Ill tell you... They carry oxygen around the body and what do we use oxygen as? Energy!
The more oxygen fighters on epo can get around their body, the harder they can work and for longer. Check Mosley against De La Hoya (at least, probably lots more of his fights) in the rematch.
Fuck sakes.... Basic stuff;D
Come on now, no ped user would take epo for the energy boost? Wtf. For energy u take caffeine ephedra, l tyrosine, modafinil stuff like that. Epo helps u have more stamina from the oxygen, that shit ain't gonna make u hype. Epo used for energy......lmao.
Tarver is a pretty smart, or I thought he was, with a lot to lose for such a stupid move, so it's hard for me to figure what he was thinking. I don't know much about banned drugs, but we all know whatever it was suppose to do for Tarver, it failed. He looked like hell, and he was certainly out of the fight mentally. The whole episode has made Tarver look like a fool at the least, and an idiot at the worst. There isn't much you can say for someone who purposely shoots himself in the foot on national TV.
What's the deal with Al Haymon fighters testing positive for drugs? Berto, Tarver...
He's a manager and not part of the training team, I might not be that jaded so I'll just think of it as coincidence rather than something more grim. Sadly though anything is possible.
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Originally Posted by ross
Always was. What's your problem? :-\
Right, you get a fighter sat on his stool after the 11th round and its a very even fight and it all rests on who wins the last round but both fighters are exhausted, you give them your magic caffine drink, it will make no difference what so ever but you give them an oxygen mask and allow the lungs to saturate all the muscle fibres in the body with pure oxygen and that fighter will come out like he did in the first. Oxygen is far more important than some ingested energy drink. They body can eat away at its own muscle tissue for energy which is what people cal their second wind.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris6878Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYeah and what do red blood cells do?Quote:
Originally Posted by chris6878Quote:
Originally Posted by rossWont be epo then.....Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingHe did look like shit, but in fairness Tarver is not really ring stupid, which his opponent Kayode certainly was. It doesn't say what he actually tested positive for, but with the way he fought it just seemed he lacked energy and couldn't pull the trigger unless the guy was begging him to. I would guess testosterone or EPO, something like that will be the culprit here. And if that was the best he can produce even with drugs, stick a fork in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Epo has nothing to do with energy. Just red blood cell count.
Ill tell you... They carry oxygen around the body and what do we use oxygen as? Energy!
The more oxygen fighters on epo can get around their body, the harder they can work and for longer. Check Mosley against De La Hoya (at least, probably lots more of his fights) in the rematch.
Fuck sakes.... Basic stuff;D
Come on now, no ped user would take epo for the energy boost? Wtf. For energy u take caffeine ephedra, l tyrosine, modafinil stuff like that. Epo helps u have more stamina from the oxygen, that shit ain't gonna make u hype. Epo used for energy......lmao.
You obviously havent ever trained hard on a hot boxing gym. After a few hard rounds, step out in to the cooler air where the amount of oxygen per cubic meter is condensed and therefore higher and you get an energy boost. Its like an engine, it will run better in cool air because the oxygen per cubic meter is greater than in hot air. Or a football. In hot weather it will seem more inflated because the air has expanded but in cool weather it seems under inflated but it still has the same amount of oxygen in which is why its better to breath cooler air when training or fighting.
Iv always thought fighters should be allowed to have oxygen between rounds, its hardly an ilegal substance and in some cases it should be criminal that they dont. You leave a dog in a car in the heat and people will mosn but those same people will pay to watch those fighters exhaust themselves for 45 minutes in an enclosed hot arena with thousands of other people using the same air.
:detective: ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
Would explain his late career bloom...