Who is the greater fighter as of right now?
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Who is the greater fighter as of right now?
they're IMO at two different points of their careers right now, Cotto nearing the end and Froch still has a couple good fights in him and can look upwards (in weight) at other options, so hard to say, both have taken on all comersQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
Froch is mid 30's and will fight 3 more times at the most imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthey're IMO at two different points of their careers right now, Cotto nearing the end and Froch still has a couple good fights in him and can look upwards (in weight) at other options, so hard to say, both have taken on all comersQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
dunno bout that he just revived his career with his win over Bute, he still has options, Dawson, Cloud, Campillo, Cleverly or rematches with Kessler or PascalQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERFroch is mid 30's and will fight 3 more times at the most imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthey're IMO at two different points of their careers right now, Cotto nearing the end and Froch still has a couple good fights in him and can look upwards (in weight) at other options, so hard to say, both have taken on all comersQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
Both are determined, both fight anyone, both have amazing heart,
both can bang, but Cotto is the better boxer .
It's pretty crazy that this has even become a legitimate question because comparing Froch's career to Cotto's would be laughed off three years ago. If Froch beats Kessler in a rematch, beats Bute again, and then has one more key victory, he has a good shot at the Hall of Fame. At one point, I doubted Cotto's resume for the Hall of Fame, after having thought more about it, I believe he's probably in there now. I would like to see Cotto earn one more victory on the big stage to solidify it. Bottom line, both are top quality.
What's the point in comparing them? They are both amazing entertainers and have consistently given their all.
.... But to answer the question ( :D ) Id say Cotto is the better boxer but like Memphis once said "Froch has to be the best shit boxer there ever was" ;D
Carl Froch is everything Tony Margarito wished he was.
I think his boxing ability is underrated, fair enough he can get sloppy at times, but he wouldnt have got to the stage he is at now if he wasnt a good boxer. Hes just got a different style which some people think is shit, but it surely does get the job done as he has proved throughout his career. Ward who is probably one of the best fighters in the world right now gives Froch a lot of credit for his performances and said it was no doubt the hardest fight he had in his career. If Froch started a bit earlier you never know he could have done something in that fight. I hope Froch beats Kessler and Bute and maybe has one more go for Ward. If he could win those three fights he know doubt goes down as one of the greatest 168 fighters of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Probably Froch coming off a great win against an undefeated champion whereas Cotto lost to p4p smaller fighter at his weight. Cotto could argue that he is the best at his weight but Froch cannot say the same thing. Although I believe Ward is underrated and is equally as good as Floyd.
Ward might be better than floyd????? I think so. I don't think any super middle of any era in boxing history could beat him.
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Originally Posted by Dropanuke
Are you and Master on glue:confused:
Why you ask?
Cos Leonard wouldnt last and I hate ward.
Leonard was a welterweight:-\ Ward isn't anywhere near as athletic as Floyd, he is a very smart technical fighter but has to resort to roughhouse tactics all to often to be put in the same class. Toney or Jones jr would've beaten Ward no doubt in my mind, I think Calzaghe would've stood a great chance to also. I respect that Ward is great but he's crap to watch imo.
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Originally Posted by p4pking
calzaghe is the best supermiddle weight in history :)
This is lunacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
Roy Jones or James Toney at 168 would have handled Ward.
Andre Ward is very very good and a spoiler when he needs to be, but he's not an all time great by any means.
He could become one I suppose, but thats a long ways off.
As to the original thread question, Cotto by far. He's fought the best and he's beaten the best he's retired more men than social security ! ;D
Apollo creed lolQuote:
Originally Posted by HulkThis is lunacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
Roy Jones or James Toney at 168 would have handled Ward.
Andre Ward is very very good and a spoiler when he needs to be, but he's not an all time great by any means.
He could become one I suppose, but thats a long ways off.
As to the original thread question, Cotto by far. He's fought the best and he's beaten the best he's retired more men than social security ! ;D
Hmmm. I never really thought about these 2 in the same sentence before. I'd say they are both very tough and share that quality evenly. As for boxing ability I've got to go Cotto, This is by no means any knock on Froch who is a great fighter!
Ward is the best at his weight he has beaten Kessler and Froch but I am not saying he has acheived what Floyd has yet but he may do in the future. He may not be the best to watch, and I thought he was going to become the next Roy Jones Junior but he may be the next Hopkins which is not a bad thing.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Dropanuke
Are you and Master on glue:confused:
He fights a lot like Hopkins except he's much younger and more active.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWard is the best at his weight he has beaten Kessler and Froch but I am not saying he has acheived what Floyd has yet but he may do in the future. He may not be the best to watch, and I thought he was going to become the next Roy Jones Junior but he may be the next Hopkins which is not a bad thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingQuote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
Are you and Master on glue:confused:
That is why he will beat Dawson by a mile.
Dawson barely beat a 48 year old Hopkins last time out. He's lazy in there.
It is if we have to watch him. At times, and particularly now at the tail end of his career, one Bernard Hopkins is one too many:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWard is the best at his weight he has beaten Kessler and Froch but I am not saying he has acheived what Floyd has yet but he may do in the future. He may not be the best to watch, and I thought he was going to become the next Roy Jones Junior but he may be the next Hopkins which is not a bad thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingQuote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
Are you and Master on glue:confused:
Interesting.