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a story on fightnews says lopez may be moving up another weight division to take on canelo in september.
http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/look...osesito-122896
can he hurt someone so much bigger? ortiz took all his shots and kept coming forward until he bitched.
hope he's getting paid big money.
I just read that news on ESPN and I thought there was another Josesito out there but nope its the same ol jaw breaker.
I really hope he doesn't get severely hurt here. Since it is a PPV fight I'm sure he'll get a nice chunk of cash out of this and for that I'm happy for him but his management...what are you doing matching a jr welter against a jr middleweight after one fight at welter? At least let his body get used to the weight.
This is a bad matchup IMO. Lopez looked 2 weight divisions below Ortiz so he'll look minute next to Canelo. This fight doesn't see a 5th round for me!
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Originally Posted by DavilaJones
The fight is going to be on Showtime not PPV
This is a ridiculous fight. A junior welterweight, really? And it's not even like it's a big name -- he'd be better off fighting any of the decent-to-good but not big-name guys who are actually in his division (Lara, Martirosyan, Quillin, etc.). This is pretty disgraceful.
I read that it even may be on just plain old cbs, which would be awesome that they're showing a boxing fight on just plain regular network tv. However its also a missmatch and might actually turn people off boxing more after they watch it, joesisto is to small but he probably coulddnt resist the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnixQuote:
Originally Posted by DavilaJones
The fight is going to be on Showtime not PPV
No, it's on Showtime. Alvarez-Lopez, Gonzalez-Ponce de Leon fight on Showtime on Sept. 15 | RingTVQuote:
Originally Posted by arminI read that it even may be on just plain old cbs, which would be awesome that they're showing a boxing fight on just plain regular network tv. However its also a missmatch and might actually turn people off boxing more after they watch it, joesisto is to small but he probably coulddnt resist the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnixQuote:
Originally Posted by DavilaJones
The fight is going to be on Showtime not PPV
Hope Josesito gets loads of money and some how pulls off a Rocky story on this.
If this is true, it is a stupid move. You've got a live fighter, only 27 years old, with a brand new world championship....There is no possible amount that they could offer him that would be enough. Fight Bradly, fight ortiz again, and before that fight somebody easy and make a few bucks.
It is a very stupid move come to think of it can't have just been the money maybe josesito got a big head and actually fancies his chances...Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
That is real possible. Winning a title makes some guys think they are invincible. Years ago, when lopez was a Lightweight, and 18-0, I wanted to see him fight Antillon, who was 16-0 at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by arminIt is a very stupid move come to think of it can't have just been the money maybe josesito got a big head and actually fancies his chances...Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
P.S. This match up makes me feel uneasy, like Mickey Ward's match ups early in his career.
If he was at least a slick boxer I wouldn't felt so nervous for him. Seeing how he fought vs Ortiz...oh boy.
this is an ongoing joke with Canelo. Canelo's opponents fit 2 clear threads:
old/shot-
Carlos Baldomir(late 30s)
Shane Mosley(late 30s and shot)
Kermit Cintron(31 or 32 and had been smacked around by Molina; already looked faded if not shot)
Ryan Rhodes(35 at the time-but still was well respected at the time)
Lovemore NDou (close to 40)
smaller-
Cotto's brother
Matthew Hatton
Alfonso Gomez
Now Lopez who is not old/shot, but fought at 140 until a few months ago and only fought at 147 because he got a big payday against Ortiz.
Is it too much to ask for Canelo to fight someone who isn't old, isn't shot, and just happens to fight in the same weight class.
This is not a recipe towards going to the top of the sport. If you want to become a P4P player you have to be willing to face guys that are in their prime, very good, and fight in the same weight class.
Canelo's competition is unforgiveable. They just put any name in there that people recognize and that have zero fucking shot at winning.
I used to just blame his promoter and manager, but now I blame Canelo as well. He runs his career. He is just a boxer, not a rocket scientist, but even he has to know he is fighting old/shot/smaller guys in every fight, when there is a plethora of available 154 fighters in their prime that he could fight.
So fuck Golden Boy. Fuck Canelo's manager. Fuck Canelo. All of them are so full of shit with this complete line of opponents.
For anyone that would like to say that I'm just a hater. I'm not. I hope Canelo becomes an absolute star. He's Mexican. He can box and punch. His fights aren't boring. But the decisions that are being made are setting him up for a huge fall when he has to start facing very good fighters.
Sure, the fault here lies within his leadership and personal decisions, but I give him the benefit of the doubt. He's young and probably can't wrap his head around anything that isn't boxing. I'm pretty sure no one has told him to his face what we boxing enthusiasts say among ourselves. I too hope he comes around and realizes what it takes to get true respect as a fighter...I really hope he does this because he would earn it.
I hope Josesito makes enough money to retire, 'cause that's what Canelo will surely do to him. What a lousy, one-sided matchup.
Obviously this is a farce, but I guess there aren't a lot of more tempting fights out there for Canelo right now. He's already gone the route of facing worn out or mediocre guys with name value his last few fights. The only other guy in his division who follows suit for me is Kirkland, and that one was already scrapped. Lara is a damn good fighter with very little draw and no belt, so it makes sense for both guys that one isn't going to happen yet. Martisyan or whatever looked fairly average to me the couple times I've seen him, and must not offer the same payday that even Lopez will at present.
My guess is that Lopez either has bad management, or is overconfident and wasn't able to make a big fight at welter right away. Either way this is going to be really ugly for him, Ortiz himself was at 140 not long ago and he dwarfed Lopez, Canelo is a solid 154 pounds and he can fight. Be surprised if goes more than a few rounds.
Agree with all of that. Great breakdown of his opponents too. I was surprised Matt Hatton went the distance, Ryan Rhodes nearly did and Gomez was up on the cards or should have been before the premature stoppage.Quote:
Originally Posted by captainanddew
That said red headed fuck did dominate old Mosley and old Cintron who lost his desire.
I'll be rooting for Lopez, but if he was a long shot against Ortiz then what is he against Canelo ?
My guess is that Lopez can carry the weight, and if you told him you were trying to convince everybody he shouldn't get a chance at Canelo, he would probably punch you in the face. If he didn't start swinging, he'd be in your face wanting to know why you are trying to knock him out of his big chance and big payday.
Lopez is a winner, and anything can happen in a fight. Lopez wants the fight, it's his big chance, just like the Ortiz fight was his big chance.
Are you his brother? If you told James Toney he couldn't beat Wlad Klitschko tomorrow he'd probably eat you alive with a spoon, that has nothing to do with it. Obviously Lopez is tough and has a big heart, but he looked tiny at welter next to Ortiz. He can't carry this weight, and stylistically doesn't have a single thing going for him against Canelo. It's not about whether he thinks he can win, it's a terrible fight which sets both guys back regardless of how competitive Lopez is able to make it. Terrible matchup.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
Conelo could have asked for cotto or better yet bundrage! Same weight class big fight! Cotto big name to prove his true talent. Bundrage not to big a name but could start something big for both fighters
Terrible patch work match put together just to save Canelos 'showcase' date. Lopez is a viable fresh fighter...just not at 160 and thats what this spoiled spoon fed tart of a Canelo will be walking in at. The "wtf" attitude about reasonable weight considerations and catch weight jumping is a massive anchor tied to the leg of this sport more and more.
Lopez deserves his time to shine and I don't doubt he thinks he can pull it off, but he's flat out being thrown to the wolves here. I think Alvarez walks him down and batters him badly. Shame on Showtime and the syndicate that is GBP.
It's a shocking matchup and shouldn't be sanctioned. To be fair to Canelo this is about his fifth or sixth opponent. Paul Williams would have been a decent test, even Ortiz if he turned up, but this is embarrasing. I hope this doesn't ruin Lopez' career.
They have decided this will not be PPV now?
So Paul Williams in a wheel chair would be a better fight? Wth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Looks that way. Gonzalez and Deleon should be the main event but that would be a shocker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I wouldn't be stupid enough to discuss anything with James Toney.
Lopez was going to get his ass kicked during the Ortiz fight. You do remember that Ortiz had a broken jaw when the fight stopped. There are plenty of things I would like to see changed in boxing, but giving somebody a chance at the brass ring is not one of them. Lopez deserves the chance as much as anyone, furthermore I think Canelo likes him, or his fighting spirit, at least.
Wheelchair Paul would have been a good test for Canelo. Williams would have lost his height advantage and wouldn't have the same footspeed he had previously but he'd still have that massive reach.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoneyteamkeysSo Paul Williams in a wheel chair would be a better fight? Wth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
There were AT LEAST FIVE better choices of opponents. Given the depth of the division, it's impossible to rationalize Lopez as a choice. Lopez was brought into the fight with Ortiz as an opponent. He was down on all the cards when he made Ortiz quit. Their fight was at welterweight. Lopez is a career junior welterweight. This fight is at junior middleweight and Lopez is facing a younger guy, who is stronger physically and mentally.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
Don't get me wrong: there's nothing wrong with Lopez taking the fight. It's great to see a guy from Riverside get a big pay day. Clearly, however, it's a poor choice of opponent for Canelo.
When Kirkland fought Angulo, that WAS a WBC eliminator. The winner was supposed to fight Canelo... que pasa?
Kirkland has fought again and won (unconvincingly) in ANOTHER WBC eliminator, but did EITHER of those men get chosen?)
Then their was word Kirkland was going to fight Bundrage instead of Canelo... neither happened. How are they able to pass fighters off to different orgs like that? That's a whole different thread...
Many people thought Canelo lost to Molina. Why not make that the September main event? That would have been more compelling--or telling.
Let's take it from a different perspective... Martirosyan (who I am NOT a fan of) has been at or near the #1 position of every sanctioning body for at least the past two years... how hasn't he received a shot yet--from anyone?
If I remember correctly, Austin Trout CALLED CANELO OUT on TV after his last win, saying he's ready, available and will put up his belt. Is Canelo NOT trying to unify the division?
What rules of boxing are we paying attention to nowadays? So when people choose to call him a 'cash cow' or 'payday' fighter, just think about what he is actually putting on the line to earn that payday...
Until he fights someone truly top 3, he gets zero respect from me. Personally, I don't think anyone but Kirkland has earned the shot... Josesito did not. In fact, Haye/Chisora has more grounds for taking place than this fight.
*Have to say I'm happy about Martinez/Chavez & Khan/Garcia is going to be a better fight than anyone expects!