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The guy may be a disrespectful punk who is prone to slapping Klits and spitting water in their faces, but he is fearless and he does bring it. That is more than you can say for nearly any other heavyweight contender in the world. He beat Helenius by a mile and gave Vitali a good run for his money.
Haye has more talent, speed and power, but he doesn't have Chisora's heart, size or work rate.
Here's hoping Chisora scores the upset !
You hope a convicted woman beater/thug who has also been caught carrying around weapons wins? wowQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
It's up to you who you support though, just sayin.
He has fans??
The man is a disgrace. Neanderthal.
although i would prefer haye to beat chiz in this fight i am a chiz fanQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
him slapping vitali and spitting at wlad are the most interesting things that have happened in the HW division for a while, he should be commended
Haye fucked up against Klitschko but everyone makes mistakes and has an off night. He made it 10x worse by gobbing off for 2 years before the fight. I can forgive him, look at his whole demeanour and attitude since at least he is man enough to be humbled by it. He has always come across as a decent bloke, the Klitschko fight was business and he got the heavyweight fight buzzing again.
He hasn't seemed himself in the build up to the Chisora fight, I hope he is sufficiently motivated. Supporting Haye 100%
Chisora looks good when he is light as he will be for this fight but I see the gap in talent being too much for him. I hope I'm right.
As a grown adult u condone grown men acting like adolescant playgroung bullies? U are what is fundamentally wrong with boxing, not the klitschko brothers!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44although i would prefer haye to beat chiz in this fight i am a chiz fanQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
him slapping vitali and spitting at wlad are the most interesting things that have happened in the HW division for a while, he should be commended
'An off night' :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by armyash
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Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER'An off night' :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by armyash
Course it was an off night!
Never did I say Haye would have won on another night, but there were no combinations, no sharp accurate attacks. I think he psyched himself out of it. On another night it would have been a lot more competitive.
ha, you weiroQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERAs a grown adult u condone grown men acting like adolescant playgroung bullies? U are what is fundamentally wrong with boxing, not the klitschko brothers!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44although i would prefer haye to beat chiz in this fight i am a chiz fanQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
him slapping vitali and spitting at wlad are the most interesting things that have happened in the HW division for a while, he should be commended
Here's something for you to be philosophical about
i am a boxing fan who likes to be entertained, the klits are HW champions who dont entertain :)
Derek chisora is entertaining inside and outside of the ring whether the reasons are good or bad, hence i am am chisora fan
The klits are lucky they have had Haye and Chisora, if those two hadnt have been around the HW division would have been a lot duller than the extreme dullness it has been over the last couple of years
p.s. for a philosopher you dont think much do you
No it wouldn't it would have been exactly the same. He had 2 years of preparation for the biggest fight of his life, openly stated beforehand he was in the shape of his life, promised his disciples a brutal KO ane left looking amateurish, whining about a stubbed toe! Did cotto have an off night vs mayweather? Did froch have an off night vs ward? No. He didn't psyche himself out, he was outclassed fair & square. If this, if that! If only my auntie had bollocks....Quote:
Originally Posted by armyashQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER'An off night' :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by armyash
Course it was an off night!
Never did I say Haye would have won on another night, but there were no combinations, no sharp accurate attacks. I think he psyched himself out of it. On another night it would have been a lot more competitive.
Quit the excuses, he wouldn't beat prime wlad if they fought x10.
Do yourself a favour and go find another sport to support . This is boxing the sweet science! Not jeremy kyle 'he glassed me he glased me'.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ha, you weiroQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERAs a grown adult u condone grown men acting like adolescant playgroung bullies? U are what is fundamentally wrong with boxing, not the klitschko brothers!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44although i would prefer haye to beat chiz in this fight i am a chiz fanQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
him slapping vitali and spitting at wlad are the most interesting things that have happened in the HW division for a while, he should be commended
Here's something for you to be philosophical about
i am a boxing fan who likes to be entertained, the klits are HW champions who dont entertain :)
Derek chisora is entertaining inside and outside of the ring whether the reasons are good or bad, hence i am am chisora fan
The klits are lucky they have had Haye and Chisora, if those two hadnt have been around the HW division would have been a lot duller than the extreme dullness it has been over the last couple of years
p.s. for a philosopher you dont think much do you
You can be no more than 13. You probably haven’t even started puberty yet have you? Pesky kids...
I'm not arguing with you dickhead. Read my post properly, I'm not saying he would have won. What am I making excuses for? I'm saying he could have performed better. Yes he looked shit that night but he is better than what that performance indicates.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERNo it wouldn't it would have been exactly the same. He had 2 years of preparation for the biggest fight of his life, openly stated beforehand he was in the shape of his life, promised his disciples a brutal KO ane left looking amateurish, whining about a stubbed toe! Did cotto have an off night vs mayweather? Did froch have an off night vs ward? No. He didn't psyche himself out, he was outclassed fair & square. If this, if that! If only my auntie had bollocks....Quote:
Originally Posted by armyashQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER'An off night' :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by armyash
Course it was an off night!
Never did I say Haye would have won on another night, but there were no combinations, no sharp accurate attacks. I think he psyched himself out of it. On another night it would have been a lot more competitive.
Quit the excuses, he wouldn't beat prime wlad if they fought x10.
If only your auntie had bollocks.... you'd what?.....suck on her plumbs? :cool:
o here we go, the youre a kid argumentQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERDo yourself a favour and go find another sport to support . This is boxing the sweet science! Not jeremy kyle 'he glassed me he glased me'.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ha, you weiroQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERAs a grown adult u condone grown men acting like adolescant playgroung bullies? U are what is fundamentally wrong with boxing, not the klitschko brothers!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44although i would prefer haye to beat chiz in this fight i am a chiz fanQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
him slapping vitali and spitting at wlad are the most interesting things that have happened in the HW division for a while, he should be commended
Here's something for you to be philosophical about
i am a boxing fan who likes to be entertained, the klits are HW champions who dont entertain :)
Derek chisora is entertaining inside and outside of the ring whether the reasons are good or bad, hence i am am chisora fan
The klits are lucky they have had Haye and Chisora, if those two hadnt have been around the HW division would have been a lot duller than the extreme dullness it has been over the last couple of years
p.s. for a philosopher you dont think much do you
You can be no more than 13. You probably haven’t even started puberty yet have you? Pesky kids...
im not a troll too am i?
you need to wake up man, boxing and especially the HWs have been littered with these types of boxers, ali, tyson, bowe, holyfield etc etc etc who have said and done these sorts of things, Ali is worshipped now and imagine if chiz said some of the things that he said to people
do you think Ali would be seen as the Greatest if he didnt claim that himself so many times, if he didnt have such a big mouth
Im not saying haye and chiz are at that level skillwise but they are certainly very near to if not at teh top of the HW tree in the current climate
it is an attraction of boxing and what brings millions of fans to watch
do you think the haye chiz fight would be so much in the lime light if haye and chiz behaved like the klits?
honestly man it is you who needs to find another sport if you are playing the high and mighty coz someone slapped someone at a weigh in
Haye v chisora is not a big fight! Only teeny minds would see it as such...Both were comfortably beat last time out. And i don't think a dude who was beat by fury and another that barely beat useless lump valuev (who was retiring anyway) are at the top of the tree!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44o here we go, the youre a kid argumentQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERDo yourself a favour and go find another sport to support . This is boxing the sweet science! Not jeremy kyle 'he glassed me he glased me'.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ha, you weiroQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERAs a grown adult u condone grown men acting like adolescant playgroung bullies? U are what is fundamentally wrong with boxing, not the klitschko brothers!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44although i would prefer haye to beat chiz in this fight i am a chiz fanQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
him slapping vitali and spitting at wlad are the most interesting things that have happened in the HW division for a while, he should be commended
Here's something for you to be philosophical about
i am a boxing fan who likes to be entertained, the klits are HW champions who dont entertain :)
Derek chisora is entertaining inside and outside of the ring whether the reasons are good or bad, hence i am am chisora fan
The klits are lucky they have had Haye and Chisora, if those two hadnt have been around the HW division would have been a lot duller than the extreme dullness it has been over the last couple of years
p.s. for a philosopher you dont think much do you
You can be no more than 13. You probably haven’t even started puberty yet have you? Pesky kids...
im not a troll too am i?
you need to wake up man, boxing and especially the HWs have been littered with these types of boxers, ali, tyson, bowe, holyfield etc etc etc who have said and done these sorts of things, Ali is worshipped now and imagine if chiz said some of the things that he said to people
do you think Ali would be seen as the Greatest if he didnt claim that himself so many times, if he didnt have such a big mouth
Im not saying haye and chiz are at that level skillwise but they are certainly very near to if not at teh top of the HW tree in the current climate
it is an attraction of boxing and what brings millions of fans to watch
do you think the haye chiz fight would be so much in the lime light if haye and chiz behaved like the klits?
honestly man it is you who needs to find another sport if you are playing the high and mighty coz someone slapped someone at a weigh in
The klitschko's just did (with these two) what they always do with all there opponents, outbox them! Chisora is basically the sakio bika of the HW's but haye is still your saviour, believe brother, believe!
Haye's not even top 5 on wlads resume. In fact he's barely top 10.
As i said, do yourself a favour and go find another sport. This is boxing, the sweet science! Chisora is an embarassment.
Thinking about what's best for the immediate future of the HW division, I have to root for Chisora on this one. Simply put... Chisora put in an honest effort against Vitali, and would deserve a shot at Wlad. Haye put on a disgraceful showing against Wlad, and there's no telling what shit he would pull against Vitali, if given the chance.
I cant debate with someone who makes a statement like thisQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERHaye v chisora is not a big fight! Only teeny minds would see it as such...Both were comfortably beat last time out. And i don't think a dude who was beat by fury and another that barely beat useless lump valuev (who was retiring anyway) are at the top of the tree!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44o here we go, the youre a kid argumentQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERDo yourself a favour and go find another sport to support . This is boxing the sweet science! Not jeremy kyle 'he glassed me he glased me'.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ha, you weiroQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERAs a grown adult u condone grown men acting like adolescant playgroung bullies? U are what is fundamentally wrong with boxing, not the klitschko brothers!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44although i would prefer haye to beat chiz in this fight i am a chiz fanQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
him slapping vitali and spitting at wlad are the most interesting things that have happened in the HW division for a while, he should be commended
Here's something for you to be philosophical about
i am a boxing fan who likes to be entertained, the klits are HW champions who dont entertain :)
Derek chisora is entertaining inside and outside of the ring whether the reasons are good or bad, hence i am am chisora fan
The klits are lucky they have had Haye and Chisora, if those two hadnt have been around the HW division would have been a lot duller than the extreme dullness it has been over the last couple of years
p.s. for a philosopher you dont think much do you
You can be no more than 13. You probably haven’t even started puberty yet have you? Pesky kids...
im not a troll too am i?
you need to wake up man, boxing and especially the HWs have been littered with these types of boxers, ali, tyson, bowe, holyfield etc etc etc who have said and done these sorts of things, Ali is worshipped now and imagine if chiz said some of the things that he said to people
do you think Ali would be seen as the Greatest if he didnt claim that himself so many times, if he didnt have such a big mouth
Im not saying haye and chiz are at that level skillwise but they are certainly very near to if not at teh top of the HW tree in the current climate
it is an attraction of boxing and what brings millions of fans to watch
do you think the haye chiz fight would be so much in the lime light if haye and chiz behaved like the klits?
honestly man it is you who needs to find another sport if you are playing the high and mighty coz someone slapped someone at a weigh in
The klitschko's just did (with these two) what they always do with all there opponents, outbox them! Chisora is basically the sakio bika of the HW's but haye is still your saviour, believe brother, believe!
Haye's not even top 5 on wlads resume. In fact he's barely top 10. Same with vitali and chisora.
what was going through your mind when you called yourself the philosopher? do you actually believe yourself to be a philosopher?
If you think you're a wit, you're half right. Until the next time..Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44I cant debate with someone who makes a statement like thisQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERHaye v chisora is not a big fight! Only teeny minds would see it as such...Both were comfortably beat last time out. And i don't think a dude who was beat by fury and another that barely beat useless lump valuev (who was retiring anyway) are at the top of the tree!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44o here we go, the youre a kid argumentQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERDo yourself a favour and go find another sport to support . This is boxing the sweet science! Not jeremy kyle 'he glassed me he glased me'.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ha, you weiroQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERAs a grown adult u condone grown men acting like adolescant playgroung bullies? U are what is fundamentally wrong with boxing, not the klitschko brothers!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44although i would prefer haye to beat chiz in this fight i am a chiz fanQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
him slapping vitali and spitting at wlad are the most interesting things that have happened in the HW division for a while, he should be commended
Here's something for you to be philosophical about
i am a boxing fan who likes to be entertained, the klits are HW champions who dont entertain :)
Derek chisora is entertaining inside and outside of the ring whether the reasons are good or bad, hence i am am chisora fan
The klits are lucky they have had Haye and Chisora, if those two hadnt have been around the HW division would have been a lot duller than the extreme dullness it has been over the last couple of years
p.s. for a philosopher you dont think much do you
You can be no more than 13. You probably haven’t even started puberty yet have you? Pesky kids...
im not a troll too am i?
you need to wake up man, boxing and especially the HWs have been littered with these types of boxers, ali, tyson, bowe, holyfield etc etc etc who have said and done these sorts of things, Ali is worshipped now and imagine if chiz said some of the things that he said to people
do you think Ali would be seen as the Greatest if he didnt claim that himself so many times, if he didnt have such a big mouth
Im not saying haye and chiz are at that level skillwise but they are certainly very near to if not at teh top of the HW tree in the current climate
it is an attraction of boxing and what brings millions of fans to watch
do you think the haye chiz fight would be so much in the lime light if haye and chiz behaved like the klits?
honestly man it is you who needs to find another sport if you are playing the high and mighty coz someone slapped someone at a weigh in
The klitschko's just did (with these two) what they always do with all there opponents, outbox them! Chisora is basically the sakio bika of the HW's but haye is still your saviour, believe brother, believe!
Haye's not even top 5 on wlads resume. In fact he's barely top 10. Same with vitali and chisora.
what was going through your mind when you called yourself the philosopher? do you actually believe yourself to be a philosopher?
It's easy to set back, point a finger, talk about and condemn the mistakes, people have made in their pasts. Normally, I try to keep my mouth shut, because I've done some pretty stupid things too. We all have, I'd guess. Having said that, I'll say a couple of things. I'm getting so tired of athletes, boxers in particular, who say anything they want, act as stupidly and rudely as they want, and then act surprised when everyone tells them they're idiots. It's all about the money!
These two 'bad boy's had their fight thrown out of the country! Do they care? Probably not, just took it to another country. My point is, if you can't hurt them in the pocket book, they will continue to do what they
want. I fight it in my own stupid way. I will not watch this fight, ever!
Told you it was stupid.
and a bit gayQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
theres a gay of the year award on this forum, unfortunately this years has just finished, if you can hang around for a year you would be a prime candidate :)
[QUOTE=armyash;1084970]Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER'An off night' :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by armyash
Course it was an off night!
Never did I say Haye would have won on another night, but there were no combinations, no sharp accurate attacks. I think he psyched himself out of it. On another night it would have been a lot more competitive.[/QUO
Haye bottled it even Adam booth has come.out and said he got caught flush in the 6th and he didn't want to be in their no.more. I.watched that fight with som.good pro.fighters in Malta and they were laughing At Haye. He shit it end of.
Bilbo will be back by thenQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44and a bit gayQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
theres a gay of the year award on this forum, unfortunately this years has just finished, if you can hang around for a year you would be a prime candidate :)
Don't get their hopes up
Who are you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MegaYou hope a convicted woman beater/thug who has also been caught carrying around weapons wins? wowQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
It's up to you who you support though, just sayin.
Fuck off.
Thinking about what's best for the immediate future of the HW division, I have to root for Chisora on this one. Simply put... Chisora put in an honest effort against Vitali, and would deserve a shot at Wlad. Haye put on a disgraceful showing against Wlad, and there's no telling what shit he would pull against Vitali, if given the chance.
It's a matter of who gives you the highest probability of a competitive, entertaining heavyweight fight.
Thats right. You gotta go with Chisora as he brings it like no other heavyweight right now and is too stupid to be afraid of anyone. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by HulkThats right. You gotta go with Chisora as he brings it like no other heavyweight right now and is too stupid to be afraid of anyone. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Know what I'm afraid of? Haye beats Chisora.... starts beating his chest and gets people to forget about the Wlad debacle.... starts to taunt Vitali and promise he'll rip his head off..... and then we have Haye-Klitschko Part II, except it'll be Vitali this time. Against Wlad it was the toe. Any bets as to what it would be against Vitali?
;D
I'm afraid of that as well. It would be shit for the division. I liked Haye until the Wlad fight and his mock retirement. He is certainly more sizzle than steak.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by HulkThats right. You gotta go with Chisora as he brings it like no other heavyweight right now and is too stupid to be afraid of anyone. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Know what I'm afraid of? Haye beats Chisora.... starts beating his chest and gets people to forget about the Wlad debacle.... starts to taunt Vitali and promise he'll rip his head off..... and then we have Haye-Klitschko Part II, except it'll be Vitali this time. Against Wlad it was the toe. Any bets as to what it would be against Vitali?
;D
theres nowt better than a good old Fuck OffQuote:
Originally Posted by HulkWho are you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MegaYou hope a convicted woman beater/thug who has also been caught carrying around weapons wins? wowQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
It's up to you who you support though, just sayin.
Fuck off.
It would mess Wlad up to see Haye win which I hope happens. Chisora has come in fat how anyone can support someone who can not be bothered to get fit in the biggest fight of his life is beyond me. Derick is the one that wants it 10 rounds.
If you hear any excuses after, whether he wins or loses that fight it will be that Vitali is old.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by HulkThats right. You gotta go with Chisora as he brings it like no other heavyweight right now and is too stupid to be afraid of anyone. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Know what I'm afraid of? Haye beats Chisora.... starts beating his chest and gets people to forget about the Wlad debacle.... starts to taunt Vitali and promise he'll rip his head off..... and then we have Haye-Klitschko Part II, except it'll be Vitali this time. Against Wlad it was the toe. Any bets as to what it would be against Vitali?
;D
If Haye loses he will retire like Glenn Johnson has by saying if he cannot beat a guy at this level then what is the use of going on.
fair point. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I may not find either of the twin towers exciting in the traditional sense but for years people were saying it about Mayweather. They are great at what they do. So I have respect for that.
I have no time for mentalists like Chisora on a personal level but at least tried, and his touch of crazy makes things interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsMmOzkuMQ4
D-bo you know... old skool
In the original
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...chisora+vitali
I said post fight
"I can't say I am surprised by peoples reactions, after all there is some truth in the assertion that at 40 Vitali is getting old. The fact is though before the fight most people insisted he would muller Chisora despite his age. Well he did not. He did not floor him and never even massively shook him. He did not cause Del Boy to desperately hold on, or run away under a devastating barrage of jabs and hooks. Chisora has tons of heart and bottle but he is not a great fighter. He lacks many fundamental skills and much in the way of BIG fight experience. He admitted as much and yet Vitali is still not over rated despite struggling at times? what gives?
If Chisora had more of a punch, if Chisora listened to his corner and exploited his jabs to the body when they were clearly working. If Dereck conserved some of that nervous energy used up in pre-fight shenanigans and brought it out in the late rounds, he may have got a draw. Well if the fight was anywhere but Germany, maybe, But he did not and he couldn't and still Vitali could not demolish him?
It is not easy to show contrition after misjudging a fighter, and I admit that as usual I got a little carried away in predicting a Chisora win on points. The fact remains most people gave him little to no chance of getting past the first 8 rounds and some on this forum resorted to calling anyone who said otherwise numbnuts. I should have known as soon as I put money on him, I had doomed him to failure, but I still believe Vitali is no more than a good fighter and way of the ATG's. Last night just confirmed it.
Oh and by the way If Chisora and Haye fight........ in the ring.. Haye will knock him out, despite being three stones lighter, and everyone will say "Chisora was krap anyway" after post after post insisting Del Boy would expose him;D"
The fact is if either guy stops the other tonight you have to give credit to one of them. For all the pre fight predictions of the Klitschko fans, Wlad could not cut off the ring and KO Haye and Vitali could not stop Chisora. If Haye KO's Chisora then Chisora will be derided as a journeyman and if Del Boy stops Haye then the Hayemaker will be written off as a blown up chinless cruiserweight. The reality is somewhat different.
Haye TKO5 Chisora
Who is a chisora fan now! He is finished!
I think they have all gone now.
I dont think anyone is a chisora fan. It was a case if haye haters wanting chisora to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
TrueQuote:
Originally Posted by Rodney987I dont think anyone is a chisora fan. It was a case if haye haters wanting chisora to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Son of a dick !
I still like Chisora, but weighing 247 took its toll on him as did squaring up and getting blasted by a far more confident and active Haye tonight.
Good for Haye.
If he'd fight like that against Wlad or Vitali I'd be happy as hell.
But....
He won't risk getting KO'd himself :-\