Khan is in the wrong gym

I think he needs to leave Roach.

Not only is Roach quite open that Pac is his favourite and comes first, he now has Chavez jnr in the gym and he will be above Khan in the pecking order too.

The Roach/ Pac style does not suit Khan. He gets hit too easy and can't take those hits.

I think he needs to turn up at the Mayweather gym. As much as I can't stand the guy, he is the best defensive fighter on the planet bar none. Khan needs to learn to not get hit and I think if he is to ever become a legitimate world champion again, he needs to do something drastic.

I agree in some respects but it will be hard to change Khans boxing brain. He has too much pride when hurt.

I'm sure he'd LOVE to go over to the Mayweathers. You can tell he's a massive fan and it's usually why people do end up with a Mayweather as a trainer..

DeLaHoya and Hatton being two examples you never would have thought being a "Mayweather" fighter.

I think Roach is also...not over rated but I guess a little over hyped since Pacquiao. Everybody thinks they're going to become P4P champ by simply switching to him. He's had a pretty bad year.

If you got it, you have it talent that is Khan is a world class boxer, without the world class chin any time he is beaten it's no shock to me.From the start of his pro career, I remember saying to my son he has
no chin, he has very fast hands good at dishing it out, hit him on that chin and he is all at sea.
A good trainer is a good trainer,you don't have to go thousands of miles to get one, there are many fine
trainers over here.Lets be honest Khan, could have the best trainer in the world until that bit of jelly in his chin is
replaced with a granite one. I'm afraid that will never happen, he has been ko on two occasions the simply fact hit him right and you ko him.

How is it with Roach in his corner and his glaring lack of a plan B does Khan not know or have the wherewithal to clinch or tie up? He reminds me of Wlad before Steward.

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How is it with Roach in his corner and his glaring lack of a plan B does Khan not know or have the wherewithal to clinch or tie up? He reminds me of Wlad before Steward.

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Which is kind of what I mean.

Has Wlad's chin got better? Probably not, he just gets hit on it less.

Manny Steward would probably do well with him like he did with Hearns and now with Wlad.

Amir has solid hand speed, he has good pop, but he has to be more of a boxer than a brawler. He's young enough to change, perhaps McGirt would suit him?

I was thinking the same thing. Khan might need a change. Jeff Mayweather might be good for him. Even Big Floyd. Neither in which will put him in the ring with MM.

Freddie Roach not getting trainer of the year, this year. Lol.

These trainers are over hyped , you've either got it or you haven't , Andre ward is with his same trainer since 10 y/ old , calzaghe was trained by his father who had no boxing experience , marvin hagler stuck with the same trainer all through his career and if you read hands of stone they got a trainer in for Roberto who watched him in the gym and said this guys an animal just keep him fit , there's countless other fights who have become great with just ordinary trainers who they have stuck with, if khan keeps needing different trainers by now he's never going to make it

What happened to khans first trainer..oliver harrison?

Remember khan got a Cuban trainer in before the Prescott fight , can gets sparked out in under a minute , and blamed the poor guy!

being in the gym he is has made khan the marque name he is

he wouldnt be even close to the headliner he is if he was in another gym

perhaps a change now and he could still keep his status although it would have to be a very good choice

by the way, i was highly impressed by garcias performance

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Manny Steward would probably do well with him like he did with Hearns and now with Wlad.

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I think that would be a perfect match for Khan. Steward brings out the best with the tall rangy fighters.

A helmut wouldn't hurt either.

I can't think of a worse high profile trainer to train Amir Khan than Roach.

IMO, Khan should have stuck with Ariza as well.

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A helmut wouldn't hurt either.

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A trainer can only do so much. Once the fighter is in the ring he's on his own. If Khan had followed Roach's fight plan he'd have scored an easy points decision or maybe a late stoppage. Khan got complacent dropped his guard & Garcia landed a very lucky shot that turned the fight on its head.
I remember a similar devastating hook that my good buddy in Texas Gene Mad Dog Hatcher scrambled Johnny Bumphus brains with to take the title. Gene called it the Hook from Heaven. Dang I thought old Lou Duva was going to have a litter of kittens that night

Hindsight is 20/20 ....I think Amir has weaknesses and Roach figured the best solution was to go 100% attack and that most opponents would back down from him. Well he's been proven wrong again. Amir should make his defense fit his offense, roll and counter man! Ronnie Shields wouldn't be bad for him either.

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A helmut wouldn't hurt either.

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A trainer can only do so much. Once the fighter is in the ring he's on his own. If Khan had followed Roach's fight plan he'd have scored an easy points decision or maybe a late stoppage. Khan got complacent dropped his guard & Garcia landed a very lucky shot that turned the fight on its head.
I remember a similar devastating hook that my good buddy in Texas Gene Mad Dog Hatcher scrambled Johnny Bumphus brains with to take the title. Gene called it the Hook from Heaven. Dang I thought old Lou Duva was going to have a litter of kittens that night

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Agree. A trainer cannot fight the fight for you. I think Khan sold himself out trying to be something he's not, reading the headlines. Against Peterson, Maidana he got sucked in and lastnight he was just...wreckless and fighting like a coiled spring. I thinks he's a better boxer but lastnight he was taking shortcuts an already suspect chin cannot keep up with. I'm not sure Garcia wouldn't have tested it later anyhow.

Khan in the wrong gym? That's a tricky one to work through because sometimes it's a 50/50 bargain. I don't know gym politics or who's who, but I can look and see that Khan made a mental mistake that lead to a technical one. It could be that simple, it may not.

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Amir has solid hand speed, he has good pop, but he has to be more of a boxer than a brawler. He's young enough to change, perhaps McGirt would suit him?

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McGirt would have stopped that fight a lot sooner, probably shortly after the first knockdown.

Dude cant adapt to save his life. It's not rocket science. No boxing brain pan but all the gifts.

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Dude cant adapt to save his life. It's not rocket sciey. nce. No boxing brain pan but all the gifts.

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Exactly, you can't overstate his lack of mentality. The guy makes Zab Judah look like Floyd Mayweather, and that probably isn't fair to Zab Judah:-X

Khan for some reason now thinks he is a Tommy Hearns style blaster , he doesnt have the power at top level to fight like that.
He needs to tuck in his chin , and use his speed.
Lets face it Khan isnt that good really.

i went to the virgin active gym in bolton yesterday and i must of heard 4 or 5 conversations about it

everyone was mentioning the im a superstar comment

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Amir has solid hand speed, he has good pop, but he has to be more of a boxer than a brawler. He's young enough to change, perhaps McGirt would suit him?

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McGirt would have stopped that fight a lot sooner, probably shortly after the first knockdown.

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Yes but he would have better defense

Trainers are not socks, one size does not fit all. Trainers can help fighters if the fighter will listen. Some trainers can be the wrong choice for a fighter, too. You can't remake a fighter into the image of another fighter. Trainers can make improvements here and there but no one is going to to be training a batch of Mayweathers into existence. The best trainers know their fighters faults and strengths and try to suppress the faults and strengthen the other. I like Steward and Roach because they give the best advice during the fight.

Khan's chin is worse than you think. Watch any of his recent fights, but particularly the Maidana/Peterson fights. The bell for the first round goes and Khan is unbelievably quick, people struggle to get near him. Then eventually after a round or three they land a decent punch. Khan doesn't go down but he's seriously buzzed and his speed deserts him. Guys like Maidana suddenly are as quick as Khan is.

So it's not like he's in wars because he likes to fight like that, it's because he hasn't got any choice in the matter after he gets slowed down. And there's no way to fix this. If he moves back down to 135 he's so weakened he can get knocked on his arse by feather-fisted domestic fighters. If he moves up to 147 world alphabet level he gets badly sparked. And forget about tightening up his defence, he's going to get hit at some point no matter how he fights. All he can do is remain at 140 and take part in a few more entertaining wars for whatever world-level fights Golden Boy can make. Due to his unbelievably bad chin guys like Peterson and Maidana who don't have a fraction of his skill are Khan's level in boxing.

And when was the last time you watched a Vegas fight and saw a bunch of refs/judges sitting in the ringside TV seats? Cortez, Nady etc. They couldn't even give those seats away to casino customers? And all the empty seats in the arena too. Why do HBO and Golden Boy say Khan is any kind of draw in Vegas?

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And when was the last time you watched a Vegas fight and saw a bunch of refs/judges sitting in the ringside TV seats? Cortez, Nady etc. They couldn't even give those seats away to casino customers? And all the empty seats in the arena too. Why do HBO and Golden Boy say Khan is any kind of draw in Vegas?

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Does anyone know the official attendance?

I've always wondered how Khan has gotten so popular over in the states(according to himself). He was saying just last week that he is more popular in America than Kell Brook is in Britain. Not that Brook is particularly popular here but Khan sounded like he was Elvis when he said that.

I think that should be the next fight for each man now, with the winner moving up a level!

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And when was the last time you watched a Vegas fight and saw a bunch of refs/judges sitting in the ringside TV seats? Cortez, Nady etc. They couldn't even give those seats away to casino customers? And all the empty seats in the arena too. Why do HBO and Golden Boy say Khan is any kind of draw in Vegas?

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Does anyone know the official attendance?

I've always wondered how Khan has gotten so popular over in the states(according to himself). He was saying just last week that he is more popular in America than Kell Brook is in Britain. Not that Brook is particularly popular here but Khan sounded like he was Elvis when he said that.

I think that should be the next fight for each man now, with the winner moving up a level!

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I'd like to know how many people actually paid money for a ticket. Anybody know?

As mike Tyson said " everyone has a plan till their punched in the face"

Heard him on radio and he said that he has been moving and training at a lot of different locations and that he needs to fight in one training camp. He wants his next fight in the UK preferably against Garcia.

Hard to believe that he still has absolutely no inside game. Watching him hurt now and all he's doing is either earmuffing right in the centre line or trying to run?

People are quickly forgetting here how much Roach did to transform Khan. He was a walking KO ready to happen. Roach taught him how to work from the outside, to protect his chin (cuz he knew it was glass), and made him into a fighter we were soon talking about fighting the best in the world. Hell, he even changed his training regime to build him stronger from the ground up, legs, core strength...to be able to withstand more and stronger punches. But ultimately when it comes right down to it, you can either eat hard shots or you can't. And alas, we all know that answer.

It doesn't help either when plan B,C, D or wtfever goes right out the window the second you get touched no matter how much ahead you are in the match... that is all on Khan. Roach did a hell of a job with him. But at the end of the day, it is what it is.

sorry but this is a bit ridiculous, when Roach got Khan to a world title at 140 he was a genius, but now that Khan has two back to back losses it's not Amir's own damn fault, no, it's Roach's, sorry but gtfo of here with that shit, it's the same bullshit that happened when Hatton picked up Mayweather Sr, the blame was taken off of Hatton and placed right on Sr, Khan can't block worth two shits, he has a weak chin, and he doesn't know how to tie up when hurt, his fault no one elses that hasn't applied himself to improve where he clearly lacks

He doesn't accept those flaws, or any flaws. He's convinced himself that he's the best when he' not. If you're the best and you lose, it MUST be someone else's fault because you're the best. Unfortunately from the very early days he was surrounded by people telling him he was the best. When he was fighting Willy Limond and Michael Gomez he had a touch of humility about him and after every fight said "I'm young, I've still got a lot to learn but it's going well". Now he seems to think he has nothing to learn and he's the greatest. The lack of humility and introspection is going to be his undoing I think. He keeps talking about stepping up and fighting Mayweather but the reality is he's nowhere near the same league as Mayweather yet. And unless he starts accepting his faults and working on them he never will be.

Trouble with Khan, and it always has been,is where His Head is left, because of Bad Posture.

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being in the gym he is has made khan the marque name he is

he wouldnt be even close to the headliner he is if he was in another gym

perhaps a change now and he could still keep his status although it would have to be a very good choice

by the way, i was highly impressed by garcias performance

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Garcias performance was great and the performance of his trainers. Whoever trained him watched plenty of Khan fights and worked on that punch. He was trying that all the way through the fight. It caught him eventually and hit him perfectly. Just like the Prescot fight accept Khan got back up a couple of times and showed real heart. I loved the Garcia fight.
Where does Garcia go next and who should Khan fight.
Im guessing Khan will do a Froch and fight another guy close to the top instead of a tune up fight.
Froch and Khan may not like each other but they have the same attitude, wanting to fight the best.
I would like to see Garcia fight Mathesse. Both hard punchers coming off impressive wins.

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Trainers are not socks, one size does not fit all. Trainers can help fighters if the fighter will listen. Some trainers can be the wrong choice for a fighter, too. You can't remake a fighter into the image of another fighter. Trainers can make improvements here and there but no one is going to to be training a batch of Mayweathers into existence. The best trainers know their fighters faults and strengths and try to suppress the faults and strengthen the other. I like Steward and Roach because they give the best advice during the fight.

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That is simplistic. How is it that learning how to tie up and/or clinch is not part of Khans repertoire?
Give me a list of Roach fighters that know how to clinch or tie-up etc? Given Khans chin issues, you might want to make that an imperative.

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I think he needs to leave Roach.

Not only is Roach quite open that Pac is his favourite and comes first, he now has Chavez jnr in the gym and he will be above Khan in the pecking order too.

The Roach/ Pac style does not suit Khan. He gets hit too easy and can't take those hits.

I think he needs to turn up at the Mayweather gym. As much as I can't stand the guy, he is the best defensive fighter on the planet bar none. Khan needs to learn to not get hit and I think if he is to ever become a legitimate world champion again, he needs to do something drastic.

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Mayweather is another good idea but what about Steward ? he fits them glass jawed frauds magically . Khan's glass jaw screamed Kronk all d way .