Any word from Vitali?

I'm quite interested on his opinions on saturday's fight... Seeing as he was the last person to share a ring with Chisora his views would be very interesting and a lot more insightful than however an armchairer weighs it up.

I'm curious to know how much respect he has for Chisora as a fighter, he had to work for that W but U dunno if he either respects Chisora or just knows that the years are starting to catch up and he shouldn't have had to extend himself like he did. I'd like to know how he guages Hayes performance.

I know styles make fights but Vitali's rating of what happened on saturday holds a lot of stock for me, being the only world class guy to fight chisora.

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I'm quite interested on his opinions on saturday's fight... Seeing as he was the last person to share a ring with Chisora his views would be very interesting and a lot more insightful than however an armchairer weighs it up.

I'm curious to know how much respect he has for Chisora as a fighter, he had to work for that W but U dunno if he either respects Chisora or just knows that the years are starting to catch up and he shouldn't have had to extend himself like he did. I'd like to know how he guages Hayes performance.

I know styles make fights but Vitali's rating of what happened on saturday holds a lot of stock for me, being the only world class guy to fight chisora.

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The biggest problem with the Klitschko's, MR Bernd Boente has basically said the fight is highly unlikely although I saw someone ask Vitali himself last week and he just siad lets wait and see what happens.

My thought is he doesn't want Vitali in with Haye right now but I think Vitali is too proud and I see Charr losing his shot to Haye. I hope the Klits then sack and beat the shit out of the little bastard. One of my favourite ever episodes of Ringside was when they got both him and Booth on and Booth proved him to be a lying twat.


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why doesnt Haye fight Wlad in a rematch , without the broken toe ?;D
thats if vitali doesnt want to fight ?

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why doesnt Haye fight Wlad in a rematch , without the broken toe ?;D
thats if vitali doesnt want to fight ?

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I personally think Haye needs to beat Vitali to even make that fight possible to sell. That in itself will not be easy so to even be thinking about Wlad right now would be a mistake.

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why doesnt Haye fight Wlad in a rematch , without the broken toe ?;D
thats if vitali doesnt want to fight ?

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I personally think Haye needs to beat Vitali to even make that fight possible to sell. That in itself will not be easy so to even be thinking about Wlad right now would be a mistake.

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i dont agree, it would be even bigger if haye had beaten vitali but either way it will be a massive fight

still the biggest fight you can make at HW aside from perhaps vitali haye

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why doesnt Haye fight Wlad in a rematch , without the broken toe ?;D
thats if vitali doesnt want to fight ?

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I personally think Haye needs to beat Vitali to even make that fight possible to sell. That in itself will not be easy so to even be thinking about Wlad right now would be a mistake.

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i dont agree, it would be even bigger if haye had beaten vitali but either way it will be a massive fight

still the biggest fight you can make at HW aside from perhaps vitali haye

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I'm not saying there is a bigger fight out there (barring Haye vs Vitali) but if they do it again they need to make people believe that it can be closer this time. As it stands should the fight be made today Wlad would be huge favourite. If Haye can somehow get a shot at and beat Vitali (who some people wrongly IMO think is still the better brother) then the fight would be huge again and Haye would have a belt to add to the deal and the division could be fully unified.

Vitali is fighting Charr then might retire providing he wins his election....if he doesn't win the election then the fight is more likely to happen.

I would rather Haye fight someone else, because I just don't see him being active vs Vitali when he was cautious and ran away like a little girl from "the chinny brother". Haye vs Mitchell, vs Arreola, vs Adamek....those are better because I think they are fights that Haye would be more aggressive in. Vitali would kick Haye's ass and Wlad has only gotten better so I just see that as a dead end for David.

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Vitali is fighting Charr then might retire providing he wins his election....if he doesn't win the election then the fight is more likely to happen.

I would rather Haye fight someone else, because I just don't see him being active vs Vitali when he was cautious and ran away like a little girl from "the chinny brother". Haye vs Mitchell, vs Arreola, vs Adamek....those are better because I think they are fights that Haye would be more aggressive in. Vitali would kick Haye's ass and Wlad has only gotten better so I just see that as a dead end for David.

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Vitali is getting slower by the second though Lyle. Above all else I think Wlad shocked Haye with how quick he was out of the way (i think you refer to it as running when Haye does it). That would not be the case with Vitali and the counters would be much more available.

Mitchell wouldn't see the second round with Haye and Arreola and Adamek would be schooled too.

So says you...an Old Vitali is still a dangerous Vitali and seeing how David doesn't go to the body then I find it highly unlikely that the 6'3 Haye lands on the 6'8 Vitali who leans back like he's getting ready to limbo. Slow as Vitali may be his size & style will have a drastic affect on Haye's punch output....meaning it will head back to the 12-14 punches a round mark.

Did you see how wild Chisora was swinging? Mitchell is a better boxer than him, in fact I would not mind seeing Mitchell vs Chisora next. Adamek & Arreola are also better than Chisora at blocking punches and not flailing about like a damn Toughman competitor.

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So says you...an Old Vitali is still a dangerous Vitali and seeing how David doesn't go to the body then I find it highly unlikely that the 6'3 Haye lands on the 6'8 Vitali who leans back like he's getting ready to limbo. Slow as Vitali may be his size & style will have a drastic affect on Haye's punch output....meaning it will head back to the 12-14 punches a round mark.

Did you see how wild Chisora was swinging? Mitchell is a better boxer than him, in fact I would not mind seeing Mitchell vs Chisora next. Adamek & Arreola are also better than Chisora at blocking punches and not flailing about like a damn Toughman competitor.

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I thought Chisora was very negative until he started to get really hurt and then his punches were very wild yes but they were also very wild against Vitali too. I'd take Chsiora to wipe the floor with Mitchell though. I just really don't rate this guy at all!

Haye threw a lot more body sgots against Chisora than I've seen in a while.

I think you're right Lyle, Haye will likely be negative against Vitali. The thing is that when 'ran' against Wlad, Wlad had the footspeed and timing to keep up and the speed on his jab and cross to catch Haye coming in and deter him from trying:o

I really Haye under estimated Wlad's speed.

Vitali on the other hand, was always the slower of the two and you've got to wonder when time will finally catch up.

I'd like to see him fight Vitali. Wlad? No... He'd need more fights to deserve it as he was so comprehensively beaten.

I hope he fights on, theres good fights for him out there and if Vitali does retire he should chase his belt.

I don't want to see Haye retire again. As a fan I'd have to question his heart if he pulled a coward move similar to Hamed by losing a shut out on points and then dissapearing.

Haye cannot sustain the pace for 12 rounds, that's his big problem. He was totally gassed against Del Boy. Even 3 or 4 mins after the end of the fight he was gulping for air all the way from his diaphram.

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Vitali is fighting Charr then might retire providing he wins his election....if he doesn't win the election then the fight is more likely to happen.

I would rather Haye fight someone else, because I just don't see him being active vs Vitali when he was cautious and ran away like a little girl from "the chinny brother". Haye vs Mitchell, vs Arreola, vs Adamek....those are better because I think they are fights that Haye would be more aggressive in. Vitali would kick Haye's ass and Wlad has only gotten better so I just see that as a dead end for David.

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haye has as much change against wlad as mitchel, areola and adamek have against haye

Solid post Adam, I actually agree with a lot of it.

Vitali is not as mobile as his once was, but he's no slouch either. Vitali has the ability to stand close to damn near anyone and pull back and roll to where he's damn near unhittable...and in keeping his lead arm low he's not all that open for body shots either. In fact Vitali's reflexes or reaction time is still so good that if a fighter does throw to the body Vitali is already throwing the right cross to the head....I've not seen anyone with Vitali's style ever....maybe Jack Johnson but even then it was different.

If Haye woud just shut the fuck up and fight more often then MAYBE I would cut him some slack. I would not mind one bit if Haye fought more often and earned his way back to a title shot, the more depth in the heavyweight division the better. If Haye fought more often then his shit talk probably wouldn't bother me as much, it's just the whole "Yeah, I'll bloody whup your arse in 2 years" bullshit I get fed up with.

i love typos :)

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Haye cannot sustain the pace for 12 rounds, that's his big problem. He was totally gassed against Del Boy. Even 3 or 4 mins after the end of the fight he was gulping for air all the way from his diaphram.

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I've never seen Haye go back to the corner and not be blowing I don't think. He seems very capable of handling it though. He was blowing after the first with Ruiz heavily and went on to dominate for another 8 rounds. If I ran the 100 metres right now I would breathe heavily, does that mean I'm about to collapse though?

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Solid post Adam, I actually agree with a lot of it.

Vitali is not as mobile as his once was, but he's no slouch either. Vitali has the ability to stand close to damn near anyone and pull back and roll to where he's damn near unhittable...and in keeping his lead arm low he's not all that open for body shots either. In fact Vitali's reflexes or reaction time is still so good that if a fighter does throw to the body Vitali is already throwing the right cross to the head....I've not seen anyone with Vitali's style ever....maybe Jack Johnson but even then it was different.

If Haye woud just shut the fuck up and fight more often then MAYBE I would cut him some slack. I would not mind one bit if Haye fought more often and earned his way back to a title shot, the more depth in the heavyweight division the better. If Haye fought more often then his shit talk probably wouldn't bother me as much, it's just the whole "Yeah, I'll bloody whup your arse in 2 years" bullshit I get fed up with.

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Yeah, don't get me wrong or anything... At 6 foot 8, strong as an Ox and with his skill - you'd still have to favour Vitali. 5 years ago Haye wouldn't see the 7th.

I think that's why Vitali may not take it, he gains little by beating Haye, but with being injury prone any way and in the closing chapter of his career the risk v reward is too high.

I like Vitali, you can't not after the heart he showed v lewis, it's just a shame he hasn't had the opponents, no wonder he wanted the lewis rematch so badly, so long.

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Solid post Adam, I actually agree with a lot of it.

Vitali is not as mobile as his once was, but he's no slouch either. Vitali has the ability to stand close to damn near anyone and pull back and roll to where he's damn near unhittable...and in keeping his lead arm low he's not all that open for body shots either. In fact Vitali's reflexes or reaction time is still so good that if a fighter does throw to the body Vitali is already throwing the right cross to the head....I've not seen anyone with Vitali's style ever....maybe Jack Johnson but even then it was different.

If Haye woud just shut the fuck up and fight more often then MAYBE I would cut him some slack. I would not mind one bit if Haye fought more often and earned his way back to a title shot, the more depth in the heavyweight division the better. If Haye fought more often then his shit talk probably wouldn't bother me as much, it's just the whole "Yeah, I'll bloody whup your arse in 2 years" bullshit I get fed up with.

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Yeah, don't get me wrong or anything... At 6 foot 8, strong as an Ox and with his skill - you'd still have to favour Vitali. 5 years ago Haye wouldn't see the 7th.

I think that's why Vitali may not take it, he gains little by beating Haye, but with being injury prone any way and in the closing chapter of his career the risk v reward is too high.

I like Vitali, you can't not after the heart he showed v lewis, it's just a shame he hasn't had the opponents, no wonder he wanted the lewis rematch so badly, so long.

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He'd gain about £20 million for fighting Haye. For me thats reason enough for any man and especially Vitali who has never had the big fights since the one he did have. He's retiring soon we all know that, but if you asked him how he would rather finish I think he'd take beating Haye up over anyone else in the world. It made me laugh when Charr stood up at the press conference and no one even knew who he was!

Hahah, Haye was funny about it.

Kept reffering to him as 'this guy' and 'vitali's opponent' with a bemused grin on his face ;D

I don't know how much Vitali normally makes, but I sense a touch of Bob Arum about the Klit camp. Make less money, but keep the lions share... Or make a little bit more and share it with someone you dislike.

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Hahah, Haye was funny about it.

Kept reffering to him as 'this guy' and 'vitali's opponent' with a bemused grin on his face ;D

I don't know how much Vitali normally makes, but I sense a touch of Bob Arum about the Klit camp. Make less money, but keep the lions share... Or make a little bit more and share it with someone you dislike.

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Again I blame Boente for that. Everytime I see Vitali he sounds like he wants to fight Haye and then that little arse hole says that it's not a fight they're looking at!

Vitali has said today in Moscow that Haye turned down his chance to fight him in favour of fighting Chisora. It's funny because the arse hole (Boente) agreed that the winner of a potential match up between Haye and Chisora would get a shot at Vitali about 20 seconds before the brawl.

If I ever came across that man i'd love to stamp all over his face!

Everyone saying haye redeeemed himself lol If anyone redeemed themselves lately it was vitali! Byrd and the arm injury anyone? He handled chisora with one arm for 7/8 rounds....ppl acting like haye put on a masterclass lol it was a messy fight and haye didn't exactly set the shot up with precise precision or anything! They were dukeing it out and chisora got caught. Vitali will beat haye.

Not with one arm and slower legs he won't... ;) that's the point, he's always been injury prone and when you factor his age in you have to wonder how many fights he has left.

Who exactly said that this fight has made the Wlad fight vanish? ???

It was goid to see Haye actually come out to fight abd refreshing to see him being a good winner and relatively placid with any trashing or xalling Vitali out... That's about all he's been given?

He's been given due props for walking his talk against the level of fighter he did... Not had anybody say more than that.

Anybody saying Haye COULD beat Vitali is basing it on Vitali aging, not Haye bring a phenomenone.

Vitali doesn't have long. If he doesn't fight Haye by the end of 2013 then I doubt he ever will.

So Vitai's getting older, he's still got the upper hand and would be the favorite to win. Haye is athletic but he won't throw with reckless abandon the way he did vs Chisora if he's fighting Vitali.

To beat a Klitschko you've got to apply constant solid pressure, be accurate with your punches, and have a strong defense....I just don't see Haye having any of those attributes.

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So Vitai's getting older, he's still got the upper hand and would be the favorite to win. Haye is athletic but he won't throw with reckless abandon the way he did vs Chisora if he's fighting Vitali.

To beat a Klitschko you've got to apply constant solid pressure, be accurate with your punches, and have a strong defense....I just don't see Haye having any of those attributes.

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another way is to punch him really hard on his chin

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So Vitai's getting older, he's still got the upper hand and would be the favorite to win. Haye is athletic but he won't throw with reckless abandon the way he did vs Chisora if he's fighting Vitali.

To beat a Klitschko you've got to apply constant solid pressure, be accurate with your punches, and have a strong defense....I just don't see Haye having any of those attributes.

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another way is to punch him really hard on his chin

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All evidence on that w/r/t Vitali specifically is to the contrary.

Vitali managers has said that Haye yaps like a little dog and that no way is Vitali frightened of Haye. He also said that Vitali plans on retiring but could come back for one farewell fight.

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So Vitai's getting older, he's still got the upper hand and would be the favorite to win. Haye is athletic but he won't throw with reckless abandon the way he did vs Chisora if he's fighting Vitali.

To beat a Klitschko you've got to apply constant solid pressure, be accurate with your punches, and have a strong defense....I just don't see Haye having any of those attributes.

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Haye's accuracy at HW is above 40%. Very high I think. I also think Haye has a decent defense!

Other than the last sentence though I totally agree with your post. Vitali would be favorite going into the fight and Haye couldn't be as reckless as he was when he was finishing Chisora off, Chisora isn't a puncher and though Vitali certainly doesn't punch like he once did it'll still be more dangerous than Chisora's no doubt.

I just hope Vitali leaves the steroids alone!!