Putting the hate to one side, if it happened again in 6 months time, who you got and how?
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Putting the hate to one side, if it happened again in 6 months time, who you got and how?
I think Garcia again , if khan doesn't box and tries to trade with him he will get caught. Garcias dad would wind up khan even more again and get khan to fall into the trap of wanting to knock out Garcia and that would fall into his hands and I think he stop Khan. I don't think it would happen so early in the fight, but I think Garcia would catch up with him.
Don't get me wrong Khan has the potential to cause Garica problems, as he showed us in the first 2 rounds. But as soon as Garcia picked up the pace and landed the first meaningful shot, khan went down like a sack of shit. I think Garcia would catch Khan within 12 rounds and that's all it might take to win the fight for Garcia.
Khan would be prepared for 36 minutes of hit and run tactics
Wouldnt gain fans and wouldnt make a fight of it but would be enough for a UD. Garcia would have to make the most of the very few openings he was offered.
Khan's speed won't last forever mind and down the stretch he is going to suffer several KO defeats that will see him retire before 30.
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same result, and the reason is simple, because Khan will be even more emotionally charged coming into the rematch trying to avenge the loss and he'll make the same mistakes as the first time out and Garcia will make him pay for it, Khan's chin wont stand up to his shots for 12 roundsQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
actually heard it on Yahoo from Froch's mouth first lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
I honestly think Garcia does him again. People were being WAY too unkind to Garcia in those first 2-3 rounds.
I didn't see what others saw when they said Khan was beating the daylights out of him until he got caught. I saw Garcia being smart, cool, calm and collected. He sat there in the pocket as Khan tried to fire off his combo's and landed big body shots and the odd right hand.
He didn't close up like most people do against Khan's speed. He used timing to get his shots off. He was only getting off one shot at a time as opposed to Khan's 2 or 3 but those shots were telling blows. Khan's shots were also not effecting Garcia. Apart from the cut.
I think Garcia is the type of fighter that will always be Khan's kryptonite. Kind of like Salido is to Lopez. In fact Lopez and Khan share many similarities.
thought Froch told him to retire now ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesactually heard it on Yahoo from Froch's mouth first lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Thats when he was cunting him off....I mean misquoted ;)
I'd like to think that Khan could make some adjustments and fight a smarter fight but Garcia looked so strong from what Ive seen.
Garcia by stoppage Im afraid.
Khan needs to come out of these loafty clouds he's been riding and stop thinking he's something that he's not. To start with that's a slugger and a great fighter that belongs in with the elite. But I think the blue print is out on him and Garcia gets him again.
Khan is more talented but Garcia is actually younger than him. There's no reason why Garcia can't keep improving.
Also Khan looked hurt by body shots as well as getting ironed out. And he looked a powderpuff puncher.
I'd have to go with Garcia in a rematch.. especially just 6 months down the line.
Nothing in that fight warrants a rematch! Khan was battered. You can't make up for a terrible chin, it will always be found wanting! Garcia would walk through him again. Khans chin problems were apparent as far back as limmond and gomez! Now he's basically blaming roach and looking for a new trainer. The problem is not roach it's his chin.
I see a downward spiral for khan from here on in.
Yeah I can't do with all this "i need a trainer with 100% commitment " crap. I see Enzo has opened the door for Khan to join up with him.
I should have added that even if Khan does UD Garcia in a rematch by running he won't have won the war and still come off second best.
I think a champ always deserves a rematch if he wants one. Imagine if Rahman hadn't given Lewis oneQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
Garcia is like a more skilled Maidana, he can bang, but with accuracy.
Garcia would KO him again unless the fight is in the UK, then I think Khan would win by UD
not really, all depends on the circumstances, Lewis got his because although he was blasted out, he was the heavy favorite going into the fight and other than the KO punch he dominated the fight, Khan was the heavy favorite, but he wasn't dominating the way that Lewis was, nor was he stopped by ONE perfectly placed punch, he was soundly beat up and battered to surrenderQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKOI think a champ always deserves a rematch if he wants one. Imagine if Rahman hadn't given Lewis oneQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
6 months from now Garcia vs. Khan II would have a simular result, it would just be a matter of time before Garcia got to him again. Like Joe Lewis said: "you can run but you can't hide".Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
I think Garcia beats him again. Garcia might not nail him early again but he will land big punches over the first few rounds. As in Khan's recent fights that'll slow Khan right down and they're back to having a war for as long as it lasts.
and we already saw that Garcia can take Khan's punches flush to the chin without flinching, so it'd be a uphill battle for AmirQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Hate is a pretty strong word when talking about fighters and boxing. Anyway, I pick Khan if he ever learns how to grab and hold effectively. Yeah, yeah, yeah holding is against the rules but let the ref worry about it, the fighters job is to figure out a way to survive. Hang on as long as the ref will allow it. I would like to see another fight because Khan did everything right the first few rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Problem is Khan has the worst ring IQ of any world champion (or rather former). Every fight he ends up fighting the other guy's fight, but has managed to largely pull it off thus far by his superior speed and athleticism. This is fine against the less dangerous punchers like Kotelnik or Malignaggi, where errors can be forgiven, or against the crude slugger Maidana, who lacked the skill to finish the job. Against a decent puncher with quick hands, he will always be vulnerable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
All the pre-fight talk regarding Garcia gave him a puncher's chance, the left hook he floored Morales with. What does Khan do? Drops his right trying to land a wild uppercut on the inside all night. Madness.
I said Garcia it just seems Khan would fall into the same style of fight and get clocked again.
I think Khan could win this one. He needs Manny S. to teach him to tuck the chin, use the jab and keep the right hand by his chin.
I'd have to go with Garcia winning by stoppage again.
Khan would probably last longer because he wouldn't box in Garcia's range like the first time and would utilize a hit and run strategy but Khan would still lunge in when he throws his punches and Garcia is bound to catch him coming in again.
Any fighter with good timing and some pop will always trouble Khan.
I expect Garcia would get him again, but only due to Khan seemingly not being able to fight with a plan or recognize his limitations. Hypothetically I think Amir is more than capable of outboxing him over 12 rounds, although as Fenster pointed out he didn't seem to have the kind of power to really own the fight. I'm still not very impressed by Garcia, and didn't see it as a total beating he laid out whatsoever. Aside from the one left hook at the end of the 3rd, he was sloppy as hell and seemed to be nearly punching himself out trying to land the same punch over and over all through the 4th, and this was against a guy who was absolutely finished. It wasn't unlike Maidana trying desperately to land something for much of the 12th round against Khan. If(huge if, I know) Khan were smart or recovered well once hurt, there is no reason he couldn't have rode that round out and mounted a comeback imo. Garcia has no right hand at all and isn't a smart fighter himself, I think Lucas Mattyhse would slaughter him.
Problem Khan is going to face now is that every half decent opponent is going to walk through him. He doesn't seem to have enough power to stop a world level fighter in their tracks, and they know they're only one punch away from a ko win.
It occurred to me that even Peterson would surely have won their rematch, because he wouldn't have given away the first 3 or 4 rounds figuring out what to do with Khan. Khan struggles with pressure, or at least looks uncomfortable with it. And he keeps getting caught with shots around his ear/temple area. His chin in itself is ok. He's taken some belters on his chin at world level and fired back. He just always gets caught high up, so there's obviously a constant flaw in his defence that Roach hasn't been able to iron out. Whether that's down to Khan or Roach is anyone's guess.
As for a Garcia rematch, Khan got knocked out. The fight doesn't really warrant a rematch yet, but might do 12-18 months down the line. As to who will win, well that depends on if Khan get's caught or not. If he doesn't, he will win fairly easily. If he does, he will lose.
I get the feeling with Khan that he will retire with about 5 or 6 losses having won a world title on about 4 different occasions. Talented enough to beat most fighters at 140, but not durable enough to put any sort of a run together at world level. If he moves up to 147, it will be the end of him. Deeper talent, and bigger punchers.