Terrible decision. I thought Savon won all 3 rounds
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Terrible decision. I thought Savon won all 3 rounds
I can't see that. It was close, and forgive the Cuban pun, but no cigar.
Surely you didn't see Joshua winning that fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
If I were Cuban I would have this face - :mad:
Joshua was ponderous and couldn't handle the movement. But he will get better from here now. I hope so - my finances need it!
I do think it was close though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
I didn't think it was close either. I was hoping for a "robbery" going into the final round.
Even the crowd seemed subdued at the end.
Yes, like I said IMO it was close but Joshua won. Savon was no Felix, he was quick but inaccurate. Joshua landed more. The third round could have turned it round for the Cuban and I wouldn't have called it a robbery because it was close. The British gymnasts being demoted to bronze was a robbery after a Japanese dismount that was about as graceful as a polar bear on roller skates, but the boxing wasn't. Joshua can go up a gear in the next round and looks like the pro game will suit him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HSurely you didn't see Joshua winning that fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Joshua looked like another Bruno a big strong poderous boxer who couldnt keep out of the way of his much smaller opponent.
I thought that last round was a big round for Savon, he hit Joshua at will. I also noticed, either Joshua isnt a massive puncher as everyone would have you believe or Savon has an awesome chin because nothing that landed on Savon did anything but Joshuas legs went a few times.
Joshua is loading up far to much. Id like to see Savon turn pro. He has excellent movement.
I think he was lucky to get the decision, the Cuban definatley won the last round. But this is boxing are you suprised by what happned?
Yes it was. And yes he didQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
The punches have to be clean in am boxing no partially blocked shots and all shots must be with the knuckle part of the glove too and savon was slapping a lot of shots like Calzaghe used to, he got warned for it by the ref. That is not a scoring shot in the ams, sorry. It was close and Joshua looked very nervous. He'll get better from here on though and people will see why he is favourite to take gold.
Anthony needs to work on his frankenstein movement and it was close but i thought this was boxing..the better boxer lost.
Gotta admit his movement was poor last night but I've never seen him like that before. I think having 10,000 people screaming for him made him nervous and it showed. I expect him to look much better against the chinese lad next time out.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
This is the only video I can find at the moment. It's third round...the judges had Savon winning the round 4-3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-louonEG-M
Anybody have the full fight :confused:
Shows how much I pay attention! I thought they had Savon winning the last round by a point?
I was right, Savon wan the last round by a point but lost overall by 1 point.
Some of Savons shots werent landing correctly but that last round was pretty easy to score. I didnt actually score it but I saw quite a few very clean scoring shots by Savon, enough to actually win the round by more than one point!
http://www.london2012.com/boxing/eve...408/index.html
This is why I'm glad I'm not a blind patriot and can judge a sport on the performances/merits of individual athletes regardless of where they're from. Saves me making posts like the one quoted above and looking like a complete pillock.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzYes, like I said IMO it was close but Joshua won. Savon was no Felix, he was quick but inaccurate. Joshua landed more. The third round could have turned it round for the Cuban and I wouldn't have called it a robbery because it was close. The British gymnasts being demoted to bronze was a robbery after a Japanese dismount that was about as graceful as a polar bear on roller skates, but the boxing wasn't. Joshua can go up a gear in the next round and looks like the pro game will suit him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HSurely you didn't see Joshua winning that fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I like Joshua. He's a heavy in good shape which is more than can be said for 90% of heavyweights in this day and age. He'll suit the pro game perfectly and if it was a pro fight probably would have battered Savon. However, he boxed Joshua's head off in this contest.
Also your "Robbery" in gymnastics is explained here (it was also explained by the British commentators who mentioned it was the right call but hey..robbery :rolleyes: ) :
"After Japanese star Kohei Uchimura fell during his pommel horse dismount, the British team moved into second place, and Ukraine took third. Japan, who had been in second all day, was shockingly out of the medals.
It didn't seem right, and that's because it wasn't. The judges made an error on Uchimura's score. As the British crowd danced and cheered for their country's first gymnastics team medal in 100 years, the Japanese delegation filed an inquiry.
Their party was short-lived. The gymnastics federation found they made a mistake in Uchimura's start value by not crediting him for his dismount. The half-point awarded to Uchimura made the difference. Japan moved into second, Great Britain into third, and Ukraine was left out of the medals."
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Originally Posted by AlthugzThis is why I'm glad I'm not a blind patriot and can judge a sport on the performances/merits of individual athletes regardless of where they're from. Saves me making posts like the one quoted above and looking like a complete pillock.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzYes, like I said IMO it was close but Joshua won. Savon was no Felix, he was quick but inaccurate. Joshua landed more. The third round could have turned it round for the Cuban and I wouldn't have called it a robbery because it was close. The British gymnasts being demoted to bronze was a robbery after a Japanese dismount that was about as graceful as a polar bear on roller skates, but the boxing wasn't. Joshua can go up a gear in the next round and looks like the pro game will suit him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HSurely you didn't see Joshua winning that fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I like Joshua. He's a heavy in good shape which is more than can be said for 90% of heavyweights in this day and age. He'll suit the pro game perfectly and if it was a pro fight probably would have battered Savon. However, he boxed Joshua's head off in this contest.
Also your "Robbery" in gymnastics is explained here (it was also explained by the British commentators who mentioned it was the right call but hey..robbery :rolleyes: ) :
"After Japanese star Kohei Uchimura fell during his pommel horse dismount, the British team moved into second place, and Ukraine took third. Japan, who had been in second all day, was shockingly out of the medals.
It didn't seem right, and that's because it wasn't. The judges made an error on Uchimura's score. As the British crowd danced and cheered for their country's first gymnastics team medal in 100 years, the Japanese delegation filed an inquiry.
Their party was short-lived. The gymnastics federation found they made a mistake in Uchimura's start value by not crediting him for his dismount. The half-point awarded to Uchimura made the difference. Japan moved into second, Great Britain into third, and Ukraine was left out of the medals."
To be fair... have you ever noticed where is previous Olympics the host countries' medal count suddenly surges from previous Olympics? One crass example was Spain during the 1992 games. I'm not discrediting the vast improvements made by the Spaniards in different sports, especially AFTER those Olympics..... but there was an obvious jump in medal count which at least in part has to be due to some of the "judging" events.
Using this same reasoning, expect a sudden surge in Brazil's medal count in the 2016 Olympics.
Did Anthony Ogogo get a gift aswell ? i see he won in another very close fight, i didn't actually catch the fight but i see the decision.
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Originally Posted by AlthugzThis is why I'm glad I'm not a blind patriot and can judge a sport on the performances/merits of individual athletes regardless of where they're from. Saves me making posts like the one quoted above and looking like a complete pillock.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzYes, like I said IMO it was close but Joshua won. Savon was no Felix, he was quick but inaccurate. Joshua landed more. The third round could have turned it round for the Cuban and I wouldn't have called it a robbery because it was close. The British gymnasts being demoted to bronze was a robbery after a Japanese dismount that was about as graceful as a polar bear on roller skates, but the boxing wasn't. Joshua can go up a gear in the next round and looks like the pro game will suit him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HSurely you didn't see Joshua winning that fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I like Joshua. He's a heavy in good shape which is more than can be said for 90% of heavyweights in this day and age. He'll suit the pro game perfectly and if it was a pro fight probably would have battered Savon. However, he boxed Joshua's head off in this contest.
Also your "Robbery" in gymnastics is explained here (it was also explained by the British commentators who mentioned it was the right call but hey..robbery :rolleyes: ) :
"After Japanese star Kohei Uchimura fell during his pommel horse dismount, the British team moved into second place, and Ukraine took third. Japan, who had been in second all day, was shockingly out of the medals.
It didn't seem right, and that's because it wasn't. The judges made an error on Uchimura's score. As the British crowd danced and cheered for their country's first gymnastics team medal in 100 years, the Japanese delegation filed an inquiry.
Their party was short-lived. The gymnastics federation found they made a mistake in Uchimura's start value by not crediting him for his dismount. The half-point awarded to Uchimura made the difference. Japan moved into second, Great Britain into third, and Ukraine was left out of the medals."
What a nasty vain and vindictive twat you are. How am I blind patriot? You are just souless, clueless and friendless
I don't think Joshua will take a shot very well when he turns pro. Potentially Amir Khan without the speed. Good luck to him though, hope he wins the gold medal and does better than our last gold medal winning heavyweight.
I think people are reading too much into his performance last night. He had a tough opener and a hell of a lot of pressure. I thought the result was right but could of gone either way. He'll be better next time against the Silver medal winning China man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
As for doing better than our last gold medalist in the super Heavies?? I think I could have done better than him :D
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzThis is why I'm glad I'm not a blind patriot and can judge a sport on the performances/merits of individual athletes regardless of where they're from. Saves me making posts like the one quoted above and looking like a complete pillock.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzYes, like I said IMO it was close but Joshua won. Savon was no Felix, he was quick but inaccurate. Joshua landed more. The third round could have turned it round for the Cuban and I wouldn't have called it a robbery because it was close. The British gymnasts being demoted to bronze was a robbery after a Japanese dismount that was about as graceful as a polar bear on roller skates, but the boxing wasn't. Joshua can go up a gear in the next round and looks like the pro game will suit him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HSurely you didn't see Joshua winning that fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I like Joshua. He's a heavy in good shape which is more than can be said for 90% of heavyweights in this day and age. He'll suit the pro game perfectly and if it was a pro fight probably would have battered Savon. However, he boxed Joshua's head off in this contest.
Also your "Robbery" in gymnastics is explained here (it was also explained by the British commentators who mentioned it was the right call but hey..robbery :rolleyes: ) :
"After Japanese star Kohei Uchimura fell during his pommel horse dismount, the British team moved into second place, and Ukraine took third. Japan, who had been in second all day, was shockingly out of the medals.
It didn't seem right, and that's because it wasn't. The judges made an error on Uchimura's score. As the British crowd danced and cheered for their country's first gymnastics team medal in 100 years, the Japanese delegation filed an inquiry.
Their party was short-lived. The gymnastics federation found they made a mistake in Uchimura's start value by not crediting him for his dismount. The half-point awarded to Uchimura made the difference. Japan moved into second, Great Britain into third, and Ukraine was left out of the medals."
To be fair... have you ever noticed where is previous Olympics the host countries' medal count suddenly surges from previous Olympics? One crass example was Spain during the 1992 games. I'm not discrediting the vast improvements made by the Spaniards in different sports, especially AFTER those Olympics..... but there was an obvious jump in medal count which at least in part has to be due to some of the "judging" events.
Using this same reasoning, expect a sudden surge in Brazil's medal count in the 2016 Olympics.
But GB finished 4th in medal table at Beijing with 19 golds and give or take a couple we are looking about the same this time. But really I guess it helps countries that are strong in subjective sports more - gymnastics, diving etc (see China 2008). Boxing is probably the only subjective sport that Britain are strong at so we won't get that 'boost'.
So what he got the decision, I've seen terrible judging on a lot of Olympic boxing past and present,
you can bitch all you want. The Amateur scene has always, been hard to figure out on the scoring
rounds. There again the pro boxing, has abysmal scoring all in all both sides are far from perfect,
Joshua got the decision, good luck to him it seem's you need luck and you do, remember it far from
the worst decision any of us have ever seen.;)
Well, I can definitely agree with that. Amateur scoring has left me baffled on more than one occasion. Yesterday was another of those occasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Greenbeanz..a strange conclusion to draw from my explaining why I thought your post was wrong. You concluded vanity and without friends from my post? Weird... :/
Not really your photo made me think that ages a go but I am probably wrong and you are just proud of your physique, no friends as in you haven't added any on the forum but yeah I am a bit weird. I apologise for constantly pissing you off but I really am not the little Englander you seem to think I am or portray me as. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am a wapanese wigga jew with Polish/English ancestry and a deep interest, love and experience of many cultures.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzWell, I can definitely agree with that. Amateur scoring has left me baffled on more than one occasion. Yesterday was another of those occasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Greenbeanz..a strange conclusion to draw from my explaining why I thought your post was wrong. You concluded vanity and without friends from my post? Weird... :/
I mean to be honest I don't know exactly how ameture bouts are scored but it looked a lot like a forward marching Ukrainian beating the shit out of a desperate, tiring Ogogo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
That sounds exactly like when I watched Agogo in the ABA finals a few years back. He won but he was on his last legs and had been dropped by a fighter who wasn't technically anything special, but would not leave Agogo alone..constantly marching forward. Agogo isn't suited to the pro ranks at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusI mean to be honest I don't know exactly how ameture bouts are scored but it looked a lot like a forward marching Ukrainian beating the shit out of a desperate, tiring Ogogo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Beanz, genuine like for your post. Wapanese Wigga Jew's make me happy.
If you add up the points...Khytrov had a 53-52 edge yet lost the countback :confused:
http://www.london2012.com/boxing/eve...401/index.html
You can "add friends" on Saddo's? That seems a little silly -- like the old mutual-masturbation era of making a big show of cool-clicking each other (with the big smiley holding a "Cool Click" sign).Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzNot really your photo made me think that ages a go but I am probably wrong and you are just proud of your physique, no friends as in you haven't added any on the forum but yeah I am a bit weird. I apologise for constantly pissing you off but I really am not the little Englander you seem to think I am or portray me as. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am a wapanese wigga jew with Polish/English ancestry and a deep interest, love and experience of many cultures.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzWell, I can definitely agree with that. Amateur scoring has left me baffled on more than one occasion. Yesterday was another of those occasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Greenbeanz..a strange conclusion to draw from my explaining why I thought your post was wrong. You concluded vanity and without friends from my post? Weird... :/
FWIW, I tend to agree with nearly all of Althugz's posts.
Didn't watch this fight (have a hard time getting excited about Olympic-style amateur boxing) but I assume it wasn't as huge a robbery as the old RJJ in Seoul fight?
I was at the fight and Joshua lost the fight, but its no surprise he got the decision,
for the life of me i could not work out the judges scoring,it went from the sublime to the
ridiculous on every single fight.
I no what you mean, the judges must be sitting in a dark room , using the force to score the rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
I have lost a few pounds on sky bet, the decisions have had me scratching my head, and the ref's are
well all I can say crap. ;D
Adding friends enables you to use the chat feature with them which is a great addition by Saddo.Quote:
Originally Posted by shzaYou can "add friends" on Saddo's? That seems a little silly -- like the old mutual-masturbation era of making a big show of cool-clicking each other (with the big smiley holding a "Cool Click" sign).Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzNot really your photo made me think that ages a go but I am probably wrong and you are just proud of your physique, no friends as in you haven't added any on the forum but yeah I am a bit weird. I apologise for constantly pissing you off but I really am not the little Englander you seem to think I am or portray me as. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am a wapanese wigga jew with Polish/English ancestry and a deep interest, love and experience of many cultures.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzWell, I can definitely agree with that. Amateur scoring has left me baffled on more than one occasion. Yesterday was another of those occasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Greenbeanz..a strange conclusion to draw from my explaining why I thought your post was wrong. You concluded vanity and without friends from my post? Weird... :/
FWIW, I tend to agree with nearly all of Althugz's posts.
Didn't watch this fight (have a hard time getting excited about Olympic-style amateur boxing) but I assume it wasn't as huge a robbery as the old RJJ in Seoul fight?
The RJJ one is the biggest robbery ever IMO, and that goes for all pro fights too.Quote:
Originally Posted by shzaYou can "add friends" on Saddo's? That seems a little silly -- like the old mutual-masturbation era of making a big show of cool-clicking each other (with the big smiley holding a "Cool Click" sign).Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzNot really your photo made me think that ages a go but I am probably wrong and you are just proud of your physique, no friends as in you haven't added any on the forum but yeah I am a bit weird. I apologise for constantly pissing you off but I really am not the little Englander you seem to think I am or portray me as. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am a wapanese wigga jew with Polish/English ancestry and a deep interest, love and experience of many cultures.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzWell, I can definitely agree with that. Amateur scoring has left me baffled on more than one occasion. Yesterday was another of those occasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Greenbeanz..a strange conclusion to draw from my explaining why I thought your post was wrong. You concluded vanity and without friends from my post? Weird... :/
FWIW, I tend to agree with nearly all of Althugz's posts.
Didn't watch this fight (have a hard time getting excited about Olympic-style amateur boxing) but I assume it wasn't as huge a robbery as the old RJJ in Seoul fight?
No Joshua vs Savon was close and Savon hit Joshua more times that was clear. The problem was he was hitting a lot of the time with the wrong part of the glove therefore not scoring points. Everytime Joshua hit him it was with good clear scoring shots which is why he won the fight.