Not that I have anything against Wach, he is a nice guy, but IMHO he should have fought someone from top 20 before getting a title fight.
Still, something tells me he will be more of a challange than Mormeck.
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Not that I have anything against Wach, he is a nice guy, but IMHO he should have fought someone from top 20 before getting a title fight.
Still, something tells me he will be more of a challange than Mormeck.
I had not seen where this fight has been signed. Wach is ranked #4 by the WBC perhaps Wlad is taking the fight so he can immediately go after Vitali's WBC belt when Vitali retires...if it is true that he's taking the fight. Wach is big, bigger than Wlad....I wouldn't mind this fight happening, I think Wlad wins by early/mid round KO, perhaps round 4 or so
Decent fight. Wach is undefeated and is a little bit bigger than Wladimir.
Should result in a highlight reel knockout...probably in 4-5 rounds.
Wach does not deserve a shot at Klitschko, and is still too inexperienced for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by therealremi
Are you sure they are going to fight?
Surely he is still a worthier challenger than Mormeck was, even if Mormeck's resume was richer.
Wach should fight a few big men his own level before challenging Klitschko.
It is hard for me to say that Fury or Price are his own level, so it's probably like his handlers know that and just try to cash out big on him.
Today a man can just fight a Klitschko and call it a career, he isn't making that kind of money by doing a Povetkin for years.
Wach is decent-ish probably on par with Dimitrenko but has slower hands and a slightly harder punch. He's #4 in the WBC rankings so I think if nothing else it's a move to get Wladimir rated higher by the WBC so he can unify quickly.
The fight I really want to see is Wladimir vs Arreola, because I know Arreola will come to fight....Wlad will still win handily but Arreola will have a go.
Wach is the best out of those available and willing to fight. Everybody else is either tied up in other fights or coming off injuries. Plus he makes the most sense economically with the Polish TV money.
Adamek is fighting Walker
Pulev is fighting Ustinov
Povetkin is fighting Rahman
Solis is being sued by Don King
Helenius is coming off a career threatening shoulder injury
Mitchell not ready
Arreola's camp is waiting on Vitali to retire so he can fight for a "vacant" WBC belt
Chagaev been there done that
Boytsov is coming off multiple hand operations...still treading water
Stiverne is ranked very high by the WBC and will likely face Arreola sometime soon
Fury & Price not ready this year
Can anybody honestly pick a better fight for Wladimir?
I think Wlad vs Arreola will be THE unification bout and that's cool with me. I am itching to see Wach catch a beat down because he's a big dude and he's been feasting on smaller, older heavyweights.
TALE OF THE TAPE
Height: Wlad 6'6; Wach 6'7 & 1/2
Weight:(from last bouts) Wlad 249 ; Wach 247
Reach: Wlad 81"; Wach 82"
Record Wlad 58 (51 KO)-3; Wach 27(15 KO)-0
Wlad is vastly more experienced (of course) and has a better KO%. Wach's record is littered with the names of journeymen fighters. Tye Fields and Julius Long are amongst his most noteable wins, not very tough I must say.
Seeing that Wach is at least huge makes me slightly happier about this fight. If Wlad's just going to be KO'ing some undeserving European I've never heard of, nice to at least have the spectacle of a 6'8" guy hitting the canvas.
Also the guy is a bit of a bully, 32 years old and Wach has yet to even ATTEMPT to test himself. I would kind of prefer Wach get smashed by another fighter, but Wlad does love to take away a 0.Quote:
Originally Posted by shza
yes you are right, there is not much at all for wladimir just now so he might aswell just take the easy polish money.. Although I know nothing about this stiverne fellow but from what I have heard I guess the plan is for him or arreola to get the wbc belt once vitali retires and then make a big fight in america v wlad, that might work out pretty good for wladimir chance to win all the belts fighting a north american champion.. I don't see the point in him fighting povetkin sure he is undefeated and I think not bad and has some kind of belt but the way he fights wladimir would eat him alive and I do not think it would be a contest at all.. Beating this Wach fellow even with his poor resume is as much of an achievement as beating povetkin for a fellow like wladimir...Quote:
Originally Posted by TigerFan
strangely enough I know think the only competitive fight for the klitschkos is david haye and we saw how that went the first time...
Until I just looked him up, I didn't have a clue who Mariuz Wach was, if it does happen this might actually be an entertaining fight. As good as anyone else who's available for Wlad to fight right now, let it happen. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by therealremi
Stiverne is big power and that's about it, Ray Austin was outboxing him when Bermane finally caught him. I like the big power guys, but unless they have that Joe Frazier type of drive & stamina or the Joe Louis stalking ability they can be in some very boring fight. Headmovement, footspeed, cutting the ring off and stalking an opponent down, and setting up the power punches is what you need to do when you rely so much on power. That said Arreola vs Stiverne will be a very nice battle (I hope).Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
Povetkin used to be somebody but he's an afterthought now, he's skilled, but his career had so much promise when he was younger and it's sad that he's fighting lesser opponents now than he fought in 2007.
It's a shame Odlanier Solis & Povetkin have been so poor, add in Audley and the heavyweight/super heavyweight division has had lots of shit Gold Medalists (bar Wlad of course)
I thought the WBC refused to rank any of the other belt holders?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I thought the WBC abolished unifications.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuI thought the WBC refused to rank any of the other belt holders?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
What you say here is even worse than what I thought.
Actually all of the bodies refuse to rank any of the others champions. Not just the WBC.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaydarbekStraightI thought the WBC abolished unifications.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuI thought the WBC refused to rank any of the other belt holders?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
What you say here is even worse than what I thought.
Boxing Rankings | WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF | Fightnews
Jesus Christ....:oQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Talk about bad competition.
I think we should have candidates to fight the Klitschkos begin taking lie detector tests. They will have to pass the test by honestly answering "Yes" to the question: "Will you come to fight and try to win ?"
It would save us all a lot of trouble.
Good idea, I believe Tony "the kitten" Thompson would have failed the lie detector test, they also need to answer "No" to the question: "are you only fighting to pick up a big final payday, and will fall down after Wlad throws the first good punch?"Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkJesus Christ....:oQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Talk about bad competition.
I think we should have candidates to fight the Klitschkos begin taking lie detector tests. They will have to pass the test by honestly answering "Yes" to the question: "Will you come to fight and try to win ?"
It would save us all a lot of trouble.
I meant something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuActually all of the bodies refuse to rank any of the others champions. Not just the WBC.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaydarbekStraightI thought the WBC abolished unifications.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuI thought the WBC refused to rank any of the other belt holders?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
What you say here is even worse than what I thought.
Boxing Rankings | WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF | Fightnews
I meant that the WBC abolished unifications, simple as it sounds.
yeah mate i know what you was getting at. It's just I thought the WBC were refusing to rank other champs but after looking at it they all do!Quote:
Originally Posted by GaydarbekStraightI meant something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuActually all of the bodies refuse to rank any of the others champions. Not just the WBC.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaydarbekStraightI thought the WBC abolished unifications.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuI thought the WBC refused to rank any of the other belt holders?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
What you say here is even worse than what I thought.
Boxing Rankings | WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF | Fightnews
I meant that the WBC abolished unifications, simple as it sounds.
Well the fight is getting closer, anyone have any predictions? Thoughts? Strategy? Advise?
I think Wlad will feel a bit freer to throw his hands as he's fighting someone slow as molasses in February. Mariusz Wach is big, but not athletic, not powerful, not dynamic.....Wach is what people like to think Wlad is but Wlad will outclass this chump EASILY. I highly doubt Wach has ever been hit by anyone with the power that Wlad brings to the table.
Thoughts?
If I were a heavyweight contender, I would hate boxing fans.
The amount of trash that is directed at Wach is immense and it's not like he stole this contract from a bunch of Mike Tysons, all lined up to fight Wlad this year.
I'm pragmatic with my thoughts on heavyweight contenders. Mariusz Wach has not tested himself vs great or even halfway decent competition, sure he's won against the fighters put in front of him and that's all a fighter can do to some extent but his resume is weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by therealremi
Julius Long lasted 7 rounds with Wach, Tye Fields lasted 6....Wach is big, he's awkward, he's undefeated but he's just not all that great. If he allows Wlad to hit him the way he allowed McBride & Fields to hit him it will be a very short fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if75wFEynPU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIvo9hly41I
I cannot wait for this fight, been waiting for it all year. Go Wach Go!
Wach reminds me of Cooney, without that great left hand to the body. He shows promise but I don't think he's ready either Klitschko. Sorry Master, you'll have to wait a little longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
It will be very interesting to see how Wach handles Wladimir's skill, speed, & power. Wach has fought piss poor opponents, this could be a Ray Austin take 2. One thing is for certain, Wlad can cut off the ring and trap Wach and it won't be fun for Mariusz.
You do see Wach get touched up by McBride & Fields quite a bit....that would worry me if was in Wach's corner because Wlad will put some mustard on his punches and there's no way Wach takes those for 12 rounds.