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yea it's been mentioned before he won numerous world titles (amateur and professional) and retired with a 34-1 (22 KOs) record, then transitioned only to boxing
Wow!
That looks to be about 30 pounds and about 4-5 degrees of freedom ago.
I'd love to see the Pele Reid KO
There's been quite a few world champion boxers with kickboxing backgrounds.
Vitali Klitschko was a 6 time (amateur & pro) world kickboxing champ.
Alexander Povetkin won a world Junior Amateur championship & a pro European kickboxing title before transitioning to boxing.
James Warring - Former IBF Cruiserweight champion was a four time professional kickboxing champ. Defeated Vitali in an amateur kickboxing bout.
Marco Huck was a two time amateur kickboxing champion.
Troy Dorsey won the IBF Featherweight title in 91. Had some close fights with Jorge Paez back in the day. The only man (according to wiki) to win world titles in Karate & Boxing. His kickboxing credentials are too long to type so I'll just post his wiki page Troy Dorsey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Other guys like Jerome Le Banner, Rick Roufus, and the late Mike Bernardo boxed. They had moderate success...with Roufus & Bernardo winning minor titles.
Mike Bernardo - Boxer
Rick Roufus - Boxer
Jerome Le Banner - Boxer
great thread---you know over the years watchıng kıckboxıng I always wondered why those guys dont go ınto boxıng ınstead. I mean ıf you can kıck AND punch ıt should be easıer just to punch shouldnt ıt? Less energy spent etc.. Kıckıng takes 2.5 tımes more energy than punchıng I thınk I read.
Tell that to Pele Reid.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
or Bob Sapp? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBTell that to Pele Reid.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xWVCSHymgE
I enjoyed that. It's mad to think Vitali was a kick boxing champ too, he looked pretty good in this video too.
I enjoyed Gracie beat Sapp, I would not have expected that.
Here's some more kickboxers that box and vice versa :cool:
Alexander Ustinov - 53-9 (31) as a kickboxer. Currently 27-0 (21) as a boxer...set to fight Pulev in an IBF eliminator next month. Big dude..stands 6'7" and weighs around 300lbs. Never been off his feet in K-1 or Boxing.
- 2006 WFCA Super Heavyweight World title
- 2006 IFMA World Amateur Champion
- 2006 K-1 Fighting Network in Marseilles Champion
- 2005 K-1 Italy Oktagon Champion
- 2004 WKN European Muay Thai Champion
- 2004 K-1 Poland Champion
- 2003 WKBF Golden Panther Cup (+91 kg) Champion
- 2003 K-1 Spain Grand Prix in Barcelona Champion
- 2003 K-1 World Grand Prix Preliminary Moscow Champion
- 2003 IAMTF World Amateur Muay Thai Champion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb_-I1PVt8Y
Arthur Williams - Former IBF Cruiserweight champion. Fought a who's who of the division...including Jirov, Norris, Haye, Bell, Davis and Chris Byrd. Also stopped K-1 fighter Rick Roufus in boxing.
He fought Alexey Ignashov in a boxer vs kickboxer match in Japan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP5DaRCjp-8
Frans Botha - Despite having a losing record in kickboxing 4-11. He has an injury win over Peter Aerts and a corner retirement win over Jerome Le Banner. Botha fought Remy Bonjasky twice in 2004, the same year Bonjasky won the K-1 World Grand Prix. Botha held his own IMO...giving Bonjasky two tough fights. Impressive feat considering he's no kickboxer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dO6fBVyUDA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhwjFhJWbls&feature=related
Shannon Briggs - He had one kickboxing match. He stopped a collegiate wrestler in the first round.
The news story about Vitali Klitschko’s kickboxing is NOT that he lost to Pele Reid (a guy who tried Boxing and didn’t make it!) All top Kickboxers have gotten clocked cold even the best ones like Rob kaman, Branko cikatic, Ernesto Hoost, Peter Aerts, Bernardo, Hug, LeBanner, Theriault, Dekkers, Bille etc. It’s happened often, so that isn’t news to proper kickboxing fans. Kickboxing is a much more brutal/competitive sport than HW boxing it has a big history in eastern europe for youngsters, in fact you could argue that the HW division in boxing and even boxing as a whole has lost a of potential boxing champions to kickboxing. Alexey ignashov being one example....
The news story here is that Klitschko ran through all the available competition in Europe in the late 80’s, early 90’s, became a multiple world champion, and he did it all as a teenager ! (Albeit the competition he fought wasn't of the calibre of the above mentioned but still...)
The pele Reid match was in Varna, Bulgaria at the WAKO European Kickboxing Championships, but it took place in 1992, not 93’.
But because Klitschko actually became famous years later on the world stage, that stoppage loss to Reid has become quite a little controversy, but accounts of what happened contrast sharply.
I don’t see why it couldn’t have happened, as Klitschko was just a kid at the time (20), and a rail thin 6’7.5” 196 pounder who hadn’t even gotten to the peak of his amateur Boxing career yet, but it’s difficult it is to get verification of it.
Vitali remembers it being a leg kick for which he had to retire from the fight,a number of others offer up the same recollection:
When asked, Vitali states:
“Who is Pele Reid? It was so long ago that I forgot all about him. Nobody knows who Pele Reid is. My fight with him was a semi-contact kickboxing match. I lost that fight because of a kick to my thigh, not a punch. The thigh had been injured previously, and I shouldn’t have participated in the match, but I was a determined boy”.
I’m told that Master Meiji Suzuki of the Mugendo in London had no recollection of it being a head kick.
Dwyer Evelyn, John Lawson, Keith Wilson, Raf Nieto, George McKenzie and Desmond Burke didn’t recall a head kick being involved either, but I personally have no idea if any of them were there in Bulgaria that day & it’s not my place to say if any of them were even in position to know one way or the other.
I do know that aside from Reid himself, during at interview with writer Matt Winsper, that Gary Turner is the source always quoted when the idea of a kick to the head of Klitschko comes up.
I know also that Reid never said a word about it to the press until very recently, after the story about a head kick had already circulated for a while.
That tape would be a great thing to put up on Youtube, if it exists, but so far, nothing.
James warring was another successful boxer/kickboxer winning world titles in both sports.
Bottom line is vitali was much better as a boxer than a kickboxer. Part of that may be due to maturing (Being at his peak) while in boxing, but I think it also has to do with Vitali simply being a better boxer than a kickboxer.
He beat Brad Hefton & Ryushi Yanagisawa (Pancrase fighter)....I believe he also beat Australian kickboxer Grant Barker.
Make of all that what you will but i suggest if you really want to see Vitaly get knocked out you have 2 options:
1. Hypnotize Wlad and brain wash him into believing that the real Vitaly is trapped in another dimension and unless he fights the impostor he'll never return. Then hope and pray that it works and that Wladimir himself doesn't get knocked out.
2. Play Fight Night, put it on easy. Swing away.I think there is also a video of Vitali getting KD in a school fight when he was 6 years old. Im sure you can use that to discredit vitali also:patsch
Im pretty sure i remember seeing an article where someone had seen the footage, and it was a spinning back kick to the jaw that put Vitali Klitschko down. I also heard Oleg Maskaev stopped Vitali Klitschko in the 1st round of there Amateur fight, and supposedly Vitali Klitschko avoided him as a pro make of that what you will.
Strange to see VK so offensively minded and actually looking loose and relaxed as he fights.
He gets a lot of criticism for being robotic and defensively minded as a boxer but i'm sure the extra weight he has put on plus the transition from kickboxer to boxer has had a big part to play.
Most kick boxers can't punch! The purpose of puncing is different in kick boxing, different technique and tactics. There's not a lot of carry over.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
The kick boxers who can punch usually can't kick as well as they can punch, so change.
It's kickboxing, not box kicking.
Didn't Vitali fail a drug test kick boxing?
thıs thread has put the hoo-doo on vıtalı now----how much you wanna bet he loses hıs next 2 fıghts?
Il bet my house he wins every fookin fight until he retires even at 41! Look kickboxing is something i know about and vitali was a good kickboxer but he never fought anyone of note really, no one great anyway, he fought in the lower ranking bodies and never won any major honours or any of the MAJOR world titles, nor did he fight in K1! Being a multiple world champ in kickboxing sounds impressive but there are many organisations in which you can win belts, and many non great fighters have took a belt or two, vitali was a good kickboxer but he is not considered a great in kickboxing....who knows though had he stuck at the sport rather than chose HW boxing! He is the kind of athlete who would have been great at any combat sport, watching him in K1 would have been interesting and watching the warrior that is vitali klitschko go up against the likes of the great peter aerts, cikatic, hoost and kaman would have been interesting!!
Secondly pele reid was not a great kicboxer either, in fact he was pretty average, he was also beat by the likes of julius francis and orlin norris in boxing! Like i said if you want see a great kickboxer see rob kaman or branko cikatic.
Alexey ignashov etc would have made great HW boxers too.
Somebody finally uploaded the "infamous" Pele Reid kickboxing match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n7zExsuCRU&feature=player_embedded
Vitali "I got kicked in the thigh"
Yeah you really got kicked in your "thigh"
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Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
Vitali didn't forget that KO and never will ... he was kicked square in the jaw not in his "injured thigh." His credibility is a joke just like his boxing career.
Now if only there was footage of the bout he had with Maskaev in the amateurs where he got dropped 3 times and TKOed in the first round
Here's Vitali accusing him of "lying"
http://www.kommersant.com/p-11623/r_...schko_Maksaev/
The PED abusing gangly armed freak is currently ducking Haye
Matt Skelton did the same shit I think.
Eventually kickboxers come to the realization... THERES NO MONEY IN KICKBOXING
vitali is a great athlete---have to admire him for sure. great athlete great condition and fast and strong. cannot ask for more than that......
still rank him #17 or so All-Time Great
ive always wanted to see the pele reid KO
now i have seen it its a a dissapointment, i wish i never had
Finally after all these years.
The Pele Reid KO'd Vitali wind-up was one of my favs
@Lyle - that wasn't no "leg kick" (;D), he got his chin well and truly cracked
I don't care how big, strong and tough you are. You're not going to take a flush spinning kick to the chin and stay conscious.
LOL. So what? Maskaev stopped VK in the amateurs! Kickboxing is not even the same sport, so who cares? Michael Jordan didn't look so hot as a baseball player either, but it doesn't affect his legacy as a basketballer.
Wake me when you find footage of someone knocking VK out in a boxing ring, something that happened many moons ago in a kickboxing competition is not relevant.
Someone post the fight where Orlin Norris kayoed Pele Reid in 1 round. That has relevance on here.
The hatred on SB for K2 is astounding and quite pitiful really. I could understand it if they were just 'a flash in the pan' but it's been a decade of dominance now. Haters are getting old.
Who's lyle?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I think it speaks even more highly of Vitali to make the transition from kickboxing to boxing and reach such a high level. Kickboxers obviously don't have near the punching skill that a boxer does, and they are used to fighting at a different range than boxers (kicking range rather than punching range). In kickboxing you also get used to keeping guys away with front kicks, so in order to become the champ he was, Vitali had to un-learn a TON of kickboxing habits. I'm surprised over the years he never kicked someone just on instinct in a boxing match.
Do u know who lyle is? He keeps calling me lyle. Im confused...Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
@THE PHILOSOPHER - Who's calling you Lyle?
Lyle is the Klits biggest ever fan (well until you arrived).
If u want great kickboxers Fenster here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDAXEPp35e8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67qcX5MIKNM
Oh right...ermhhh OK then. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
What's kickboxing have to do with me? What's going on? :confused:
Who bumped this thread, thought it was u? Might have been someone else. Someone has a thing for kickboxing because this was an old thread which is cool as my background is in the sport...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
No it wasn't me.
It was funny to see, after all the years of wind-ups, that Vitali did actually get knocked out by a head kick and not a blow to the leg. (That's what @Lyle was for, who is El Kabong these days)
Yeah so what Maskaev stopped him too! Reid was never a great kickboxer and he was a much worse boxer. Vitali on the otherhand went onto become a 3 x champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I never got the impression el kabong was a major K2 fan! Where is he these days anyway? Haven't seen him post.
P.s I recommend u dip your toes into the world of kickboxing/muay thai. Every boxing fan should..
Great fighters and athletes a plenty.
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERYeah so what Maskaev stopped him too! Reid was never a great kickboxer and he was a much worse boxer. Vitali on the otherhand went onto become a 3 x champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I never got the impression el kabong was a major K2 fan! Where is he these days anyway? Haven't seen him post.
P.s I recommend u dip your toes into the world of kickboxing/muay thai. Every boxing fan should..
Great fighters and athletes a plenty.
Did Vitali have a tag team partner in the kickboxing like he does in boxing?
@THE PHILOSOPHER - I understand now why you got confused, you posted that the KO was just a leg kick too, but this is old news to me. We've been talking about this subject for years on this site. And Lyle was adamant it was a leg kick.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
I didn't realise you had posted this.
It's nice to finally get the truth.
He's ducking Haye? Oh boy... I gotta necro a few threads about Haye's back problems and promotional problems then.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBombQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
Vitali didn't forget that KO and never will ... he was kicked square in the jaw not in his "injured thigh." His credibility is a joke just like his boxing career.
Now if only there was footage of the bout he had with Maskaev in the amateurs where he got dropped 3 times and TKOed in the first round
Here's Vitali accusing him of "lying"
Vitali Klitschko Called Maskaev a Liar - Kommersant Moscow
The PED abusing gangly armed freak is currently ducking Haye
Why am i confused? My post stated 'I don't know wether it happened for sure or not and it could have happened' (paraphrasing) did it not? I posted what VK remembered of the incident not what i saw! Vitali being a proud man probably did not want to admit to it.....Quote:
I understand now why you got confused, you posted that the KO was just a leg kick too, but this is old news to me. We've been talking about this subject for years on this site. And Lyle was adamant it was a leg kick.
I'm not confused mate it was never a subject anyone really dwelled upon i just gave my thoughts and the thoughts of others. Certainly not suprising by any means. Kickboxing is a different animal together. Reid was pretty shit though TBH. Fenster it's irrelevant what happened to a 20 year old VK in a semi contact match really isn't it!
U seem to have a problem with me for some reason LOL. Each to there own. As for your tag team comment! Laughable! Out of the 100 or so opponent's they have fought they have about 5 common opponents between them! LOL. By your logic Holmes and Cooney were a tag team too then right?
5 LOL That flies in the face of the idea that there has been no compeition available for them too... 2 dominant champs and only 5 common opponents! VK and TYSON have the same amount of common opponents as K2 do! Are they a tag team too Fenster?? LOL.
This era is unique in that the top 2 will not fight each other, but then again the top 2 of any other era have not been brothers have they! Get over it....