Dawson vs Ward on HBO - Saturday night fight thread

:action: A good weekend of boxing, i'll try watching a bit of Ward vs. Dawson, but there's a 99% chance that Ward will turn it into a stinker. :beat:
The undercard fight however, DeMarco vs. John Molina which will come on first should be a good one.

Sept. 8
At Oakland, Calif. (HBO): Andre Ward vs. Chad Dawson, 12 rounds, for Ward's WBC/WBA super middleweight title; Antonio DeMarco vs. John Molina, 12 rounds, for DeMarco's WBC lightweight title.

And on a tape delay here in the States:

At Moscow (HBO): Vitali Klitschko vs. Manuel Charr, 12 rounds, for Klitschko's WBC heavyweight title.

I'd love to see Dawson fight up to his size and potential, and knock SOG into next week, but Ward will likely win a boring, controversial, foulfest SD in his hometown of Oakland.
DeMarco will KO Molina within 8 rounds.
Vitali will stop Charr in one of the later rounds.

Who you mo-fos got?
:drunks:

Is this on anywhere in the UK?

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Is this on anywhere in the UK?

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@Master - I'm sure it will be picked up there by Prime, Sky, et al, if not check with me Saturday and i'll help find you a good stream/link for the Dawson- Ward card.
BTW, Vitali-Charr will come on somewhere around 9:00 or 10:00 PM in the UK.

cheers
P.S. it's Labor Day here in the U.S., a Federal Holiday.

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Is this on anywhere in the UK?

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@Master - I'm sure it will be picked up there by Prime, Sky, et al, if not check with me Saturday and i'll help find you a good stream/link for the Dawson- Ward card.
BTW, Vitali-Charr will come on somewhere around 9:00 or 10:00 PM in the UK.

cheers
P.S. it's Labor Day here in the U.S., a Federal Holiday.

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Could u do me a stream too bud?

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Is this on anywhere in the UK?

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@Master - I'm sure it will be picked up there by Prime, Sky, et al, if not check with me Saturday and i'll help find you a good stream/link for the Dawson- Ward card.
BTW, Vitali-Charr will come on somewhere around 9:00 or 10:00 PM in the UK.

cheers
P.S. it's Labor Day here in the U.S., a Federal Holiday.

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Could u do me a stream too bud?

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Thanks I may take you up on that, do not give dropanuke one as he is quite mad. :)

Hope you have a good Labor day mate. ;)

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Is this on anywhere in the UK?

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@Master - I'm sure it will be picked up there by Prime, Sky, et al, if not check with me Saturday and i'll help find you a good stream/link for the Dawson- Ward card.
BTW, Vitali-Charr will come on somewhere around 9:00 or 10:00 PM in the UK.

cheers
P.S. it's Labor Day here in the U.S., a Federal Holiday.

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Could u do me a stream too bud?

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Send me PM Saturday, and i'll show you where to find live streams, then bookmark the website for future use. :)

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Is this on anywhere in the UK?

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@Master - I'm sure it will be picked up there by Prime, Sky, et al, if not check with me Saturday and i'll help find you a good stream/link for the Dawson- Ward card.
BTW, Vitali-Charr will come on somewhere around 9:00 or 10:00 PM in the UK.

cheers
P.S. it's Labor Day here in the U.S., a Federal Holiday.

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Could u do me a stream too bud?

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Thanks I may take you up on that, do not give dropanuke one as he is quite mad. :)

Hope you have a good Labor day mate. ;)

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Thanks Master, but Fed Holidays that fall on a weekday are just a nuisance for me. (the banks, post office, and other public service offices are closed). Independence Day (July 4th) this year fell on a Wednesday, and fucked up my schedule for the week.

As for Dropanute, yeah but he asked so nicely, how can I refuse a favor. ;)

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Is this on anywhere in the UK?

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@Master - I'm sure it will be picked up there by Prime, Sky, et al, if not check with me Saturday and i'll help find you a good stream/link for the Dawson- Ward card.
BTW, Vitali-Charr will come on somewhere around 9:00 or 10:00 PM in the UK.

cheers
P.S. it's Labor Day here in the U.S., a Federal Holiday.

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Could u do me a stream too bud?

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Thanks I may take you up on that, do not give dropanuke one as he is quite mad. :)

Hope you have a good Labor day mate. ;)

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Thanks Master, but Fed Holidays that fall on a weekday are just a nuisance for me. (the banks, post office, and other public service offices are closed). Independence Day (July 4th) this year fell on a Wednesday, and fucked up my schedule for the week.

As for Dropanute, yeah but he asked so nicely, how can I refuse a favor. ;)

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I'm like god on a cloud watching as you guys mention my almighty presence lol

I will be at ringside for this one -- I'm planning to get there in time to see the last non-televised undercard fight, just for the spectacle of seeing a couple of HWs duke it out 15 yards away from me.

I like this card! Ward strikes me as a guy with much more self awareness and confidence and while BOTH can stink the arena out previously, I got Ward over 12. Demarco and Molina will be a solid scrap and looking for Demarco to finally get some overdue respect as a calculating sharpshooter. Vitali vs Charr..to be honest I haven't payed this one a second nor initial thought.

Dawson and Ward promoting the fight, they seem way too friendly. :-X

HBO Boxing: Ward/Dawson Conversation Piece :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfCGC2x8sV4

Come on chad do him!! Then ward will have to come to England!

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Dawson and Ward promoting the fight, they seem way too friendly. :-X

HBO Boxing: Ward/Dawson Conversation Piece :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfCGC2x8sV4

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The best fighting the best.

Ward for the win all day long! Dawson has advantages that he neve has & never will use and that is why he will remain a so-so fighter stuck between having titles and challenging for them. Dawson has height & reach but he'll fight on the inside because he always does, he'll use only one arm because that's how he works....Dawson had potential but he's been disappointing to me although he has had a successul career.

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Ward for the win all day long! Dawson has advantages that he neve has & never will use and that is why he will remain a so-so fighter stuck between having titles and challenging for them. Dawson has height & reach but he'll fight on the inside because he always does, he'll use only one arm because that's how he works....Dawson had potential but he's been disappointing to me although he has had a successul career.

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I think because Dawson has the height and reach, it will force Ward to take the initiative and therefore make a good fight.

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Ward for the win all day long! Dawson has advantages that he neve has & never will use and that is why he will remain a so-so fighter stuck between having titles and challenging for them. Dawson has height & reach but he'll fight on the inside because he always does, he'll use only one arm because that's how he works....Dawson had potential but he's been disappointing to me although he has had a successul career.

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I think because Dawson has the height and reach, it will force Ward to take the initiative and therefore make a good fight.

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....Dawson also has the Peter Manfredo/Luis Collazo fucked up grill going for him too, so yeah, he's going to lose because Ward will be encouraged to hit Chad hard enough and as many times as it takes to try and straighten those bastards out.

Ward will attack Dawson like he did Kessler! With heavy hitters he will get up close like against froch and green.

Dawson has the whole toolbox set except for the heart. For this sole reason, I wouldn't bet a dime on him.

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I will be at ringside for this one -- I'm planning to get there in time to see the last non-televised undercard fight, just for the spectacle of seeing a couple of HWs duke it out 15 yards away from me.

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Cool Shza, I forgot that you live in the Oakland area, be sure and give us a report.

cheers

This is a very exciting fight between two elite boxers. The majority of people pick Ward on the cards and I have a hard time not agreeing with them. Ward has the weight and fight location in his favor. Dawson has faced better competition. His biggest win, over Hopkins, is better than any win on Ward's CV. Without the Pascal blemish, Dawson would be undefeated. Ward hasn't fought anyone with as much hand speed as Dawson. I root for Dawson.

Heard some interesting things about Dawson. Most of it coming from the Iceman John Scully. He put on a great interview over at our radio show and told a few things about Dawsons previous training camps which I didn't know, about how short they always were. I think 3 or 4 weeks for Pascal. He didn't seem too dedicated.

I quite fancy him against Ward.

The interview is here somewhere just after 17 minutes if you wanna skip....
onthegrindboxing.com - Interview with Iceman John Scully ahead of Ward vs Dawson

On this forum someone said Miranda knocked down Dawson during sparring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DqiKPpGP6Y

Are they showing the fight on UK TV?

yes mate on sky sports!

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On this forum someone said Miranda knocked down Dawson during sparring.

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Knocked him "out," that person said. And then disappeared after someone asked him for a source cite.

I hope that I'm wrong, but I have a feeling that the Ward/Dawson fight is going to be a boring stinker. :fart2:


I think Molina/DeMarco just might be the fight of the night.

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Dawson has the whole toolbox set except for the heart. For this sole reason, I wouldn't bet a dime on him.

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I agree but sometimes I wonder if its heart or some kind of attention disorder. Like Judah its as if he starts to watch the fight instead of fight it. This could be a dud but it could also turn out to be a pretty dam good technical boxing match. Ward has never faced a southpaw with Chads skill level. The question of course for me is weight. After being at 175 for 6 years he would have put on muscle mass that stayed unlike Pascal who jumped back and forth constantly. I don't really think the weight is a big deal for the two classes unless you stay to long in one. Dawson could make history here and in many ways is in a no lose situation. Nobody in history has done this before Jones/Ruiz not withstanding. I just think its going to weaken him. If he pulls it out against this opponent it would be monumental.

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I hope that I'm wrong, but I have a feeling that the Ward/Dawson fight is going to be a boring stinker. :fart2:


I think Molina/DeMarco just might be the fight of the night.

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That's what I think too Diane, both DeMarco and Molina will be bringing it, and it's a good matchup, I give DeMarco the edge, but Molina will make it competitive.

I'll definitely be watching Molina vs DeMarco, it remains to be seen how much of SOG vs Dawson I can stomach. Lucas Matthysse vs Ajose Olusegun will be on about the same time on Showtime, so chances are, i'll end up watching that instead.

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Dawson has the whole toolbox set except for the heart. For this sole reason, I wouldn't bet a dime on him.

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I agree but sometimes I wonder if its heart or some kind of attention disorder. Like Judah its as if he starts to watch the fight instead of fight it. This could be a dud but it could also turn out to be a pretty dam good technical boxing match. Ward has never faced a southpaw with Chads skill level. The question of course for me is weight. After being at 175 for 6 years he would have put on muscle mass that stayed unlike Pascal who jumped back and forth constantly. I don't really think the weight is a big deal for the two classes unless you stay to long in one. Dawson could make history here and in many ways is in a no lose situation. Nobody in history has done this before Jones/Ruiz not withstanding. I just think its going to weaken him. If he pulls it out against this opponent it would be monumental.

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I know what Ward is going to do, smother Dawson's punches and be the agressor. A typical SOG foulfest, stinkfest in front of his homies.

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Dawson has the whole toolbox set except for the heart. For this sole reason, I wouldn't bet a dime on him.

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I agree but sometimes I wonder if its heart or some kind of attention disorder. Like Judah its as if he starts to watch the fight instead of fight it. This could be a dud but it could also turn out to be a pretty dam good technical boxing match. Ward has never faced a southpaw with Chads skill level. The question of course for me is weight. After being at 175 for 6 years he would have put on muscle mass that stayed unlike Pascal who jumped back and forth constantly. I don't really think the weight is a big deal for the two classes unless you stay to long in one. Dawson could make history here and in many ways is in a no lose situation. Nobody in history has done this before Jones/Ruiz not withstanding. I just think its going to weaken him. If he pulls it out against this opponent it would be monumental.

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I know what Ward is going to do, smother Dawson's punches and be the agressor. A typical SOG foulfest, stinkfest in front of his homies.

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That could pretty much happen.

As for Dawson's fight, I was there in the red section when he did fight Pascal, he had his chance to win this fight but once he did receive 2-3 good punches from PAscal, he got wayyy calmer and stopped being busy.. and that did cost him the match, like if a few good punches did sucked away his will to fight. It could be an attention problem but I tend to think that the real thing is rooted deeper.

I think Andre Ward is the worst thing since the Iraq war and thus I hope Dawson beats him up and induces a cut that needs multiple stitches. I would also quite like Dawson to do one of those Calzaghe esque faux buggery moves as well.

The Billy Goat Chronicles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Puxp2Lv6QU

Dawson looks a lot taller than Ward, he has a longer reach too. This will cause Ward some problems and it will be very interesting how he solves them.

Ward is a 4/1 favorite and although that seems a little high, he is a very difficult man to beat.

He will establish himself as the boss in there early and make it an ugly, but effective fight. Ward has more fire in him than Dawson.

I see a Ward UD, I'd be very surprised if this fight ended in a KO either way.

Now watch Dawson score a KO ;D

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Ward is a 4/1 favorite and although that seems a little high, he is a very difficult man to beat.

He will establish himself as the boss in there early and make it an ugly, but effective fight. Ward has more fire in him than Dawson.

I see a Ward UD, I'd be very surprised if this fight ended in a KO either way.

Now watch Dawson score a KO ;D

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If I had couple hundred extra to lay on Dawson, I might do it, I like those odds. Dawson is capable of winning, even though it won't be easy to get a decision in Oakland.

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Ward is a 4/1 favorite and although that seems a little high, he is a very difficult man to beat.

He will establish himself as the boss in there early and make it an ugly, but effective fight. Ward has more fire in him than Dawson.

I see a Ward UD, I'd be very surprised if this fight ended in a KO either way.

Now watch Dawson score a KO ;D

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If I had couple hundred extra to lay on Dawson, I might do it, I like those odds. Dawson is capable of winning, even though it won't be easy to get a decision in Oakland.

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Agree -- those odds are really wide. I'd call it more like a 3:2 fight.

Dawson looks fit as a fiddle and not drained at all. He made 168 on the first attempt. I am cheering for him and now I may bet on him. Noticeable size over Ward also.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...hmjpglarge.jpg

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Dawson looks fit as a fiddle and not drained at all. He made 168 on the first attempt. I am cheering for him and now I may bet on him. Noticeable size over Ward also.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...hmjpglarge.jpg

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Hardly recognizable with no hair on his head and that goatee. He looks pretty dry to me, but in a good way -- he will rehydrate to heavier than Ward for sure. He's noticeably leaner.

If the level of this challenge gets Chad up and focused and determined enough to go a full 12 without the usual lapses in effort, he could definitely take this. He's the best opponent Ward's ever had by a mile, IMO.