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I don't see anyone beating Ward. He's a beast!!! But he gotta fight. So who's next?
My first choice would be the winner of next week fight with Jcc Jr vs Martinez. If Martinez win, that would be for P4P #1. 2nd choice, B-Hop. Just would like to see that.
Thoughts???
Either Dirrells, if they grow some balls.
If Froch gets through his next three tests, I think he deserves another go at Ward. For the time being, I think if Martinez gets through Chavez he should fight Ward, that would be a cracking fight!
Martinez is closer to Floyd than Ward in weight so think he would take that option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
There really isnt anyone. There are names but they wont fight him any time soon as they are all tied up with each other. Kessler had his facebutted off and the ref did nothing and has a nice big money rematch with froch already sewn up for next year. froch and Bute will be fighting each other. He will fight Magee.
Instead of bringing an established light heavy down in weight, why not move up there?
would martinez go to 154 though??Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMartinez is closer to Floyd than Ward in weight so think he would take that option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Either the winner of next week's fight... or Froch. I have no interest in seeing B-Hop fight ANYONE.... nor am I big fan of the Dirrells.
I agree, B-hop doesnt deserve a Ward fight and at 47 he really should retire now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Well Kelly Pavlik for the big name on the resume even though Ward will make an easy night of him too. Froch could be an interesting rematch if the same Froch who fought Bute shows up. And Calzaghe will stay retired because he does not want to risk his 0 against Ward. S.O.G is to good for his own good.
I rather see B-Hop fight him than to see Froc get his ass beat again by the far superior fighter that Ward is. The winner of Martinez vs Chavez makes sense but like someone already said they would lean more towards Floyd or Pac than to come up against a less known and more dangerous opponent IMO in Ward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonI agree, B-hop doesnt deserve a Ward fight and at 47 he really should retire now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I recall B-Hop saying that he'll never fight Ward, I don't know if that was just in jest or if he was serious, there are interviews on YouTube about it I believe...
I don't think Ward realistically have any more contenders in his weight class. He needs to cut weight down, which shouldn't be a problem for him given that he's still young and with the sufficient amount of preparation. If he does this, any of the top P4P would be a good match up for him.
First I must say greetings to all. I haven't been able to flex my board muscles in so long.............
In response to the comment about Froch saying he is inferior to Ward, I must disagree. I really respect Ward even more after last night, but the Froch fight is the one fight I look back at and sweat seeing how close that was to being an L. Froch for whatever reason came on late, which does not suit his style - low hands and all. And he certainly looked worlds better in his last fight. Ward should think carefully about giving Froch another fight.
However, even with that said, I still think he is the best as of now. It's hard to do what he did and rise to the occasion and impress in a big fight to validate yourself. He did it like only Floyd could. I don't think besides Mayweather, I've seen impressive counters, defense and clean combinations for an entire bout. He landed 37% of his punches and absorbed a mere 29. You have to admit, you all found yourselves gasping those Mayweather gasps at each of the blows and combinations that led to the 3 knockdowns. And you didn't have to force and fake it like many have done with Adrien Broner and the like. We have a legitimate Mayweather clone on our hands. Only thing is that it could be dangerous for him to lose.
Because there's no one there. He just beat the best light heavyweight in the world. I doubt the result would be much different if they fought at 175. And the other guys in that division are all a step below Dawson, so at least two steps below Ward. Don't see any point in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
If JCC were somehow to upset Martinez, that would be the obvious fight to make, since Jr. has no business fighting at MW anyway. He really ought to be at light heavy himself. But I just don't see any result other than Martinez totally dominating him.
While Ward-Martinez would be very interesting P4P-wise on paper, Ward would have to go down to 160 for that to happen, which I don't see him doing. Martinez really can't go up in weight again -- he's still a natural 154-pounder (which again, makes a Mayweather fight the more natural option, though I'm not holding my breath for that either).
Rematch with Froch probably is worthwhile at some point, but just because it's the least bad of bad options. I think that rematch would be even less close than the first one, not for the least because Ward's hand was broken in the first Froch fight.
He said he's thinking on moving up to LHW...
He could face Cloud, Pascal or the dark horse Campillo, who deserves another chance after that travesty he suffered against Cloud.
By the way the title of this thread should read "Who necks" ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ant Live
Cut thee umbilical cord and fight Froch again at 168 in Nottingham.
Apart from Pascal...;DQuote:
Originally Posted by shzaBecause there's no one there. He just beat the best light heavyweight in the world. I doubt the result would be much different if they fought at 175. And the other guys in that division are all a step below Dawson, so at least two steps below Ward. Don't see any point in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
If JCC were somehow to upset Martinez, that would be the obvious fight to make, since Jr. has no business fighting at MW anyway. He really ought to be at light heavy himself. But I just don't see any result other than Martinez totally dominating him.
While Ward-Martinez would be very interesting P4P-wise on paper, Ward would have to go down to 160 for that to happen, which I don't see him doing. Martinez really can't go up in weight again -- he's still a natural 154-pounder (which again, makes a Mayweather fight the more natural option, though I'm not holding my breath for that either).
Rematch with Froch probably is worthwhile at some point, but just because it's the least bad of bad options. I think that rematch would be even less close than the first one, not for the least because Ward's hand was broken in the first Froch fight.
Jean Pascal, Andre Dirrell, or Lucian Bute, were he to beat Froch in the rematch. Of those options, Andre Dirrell probably is the best choice. Both were Olympians in the same class. They were scheduled to face each other before Dirrell was injured in the S6. Ward has beat the rest at 168. Jean Pascal isn't a bad option either though because he brings a lot of $ to the table if the fight was held in Canada.
Any 175iber is going to look at that fight and think twice about losing thise 7lbs. Saying that, none of them could beat Ward anyways. Bute would not be close at all. Froch? Do he want it? I think he will rather do what he already planned on doing. Beat Bute again then fight Kessler.
Darkhorse: Since Abraham have a good chin and KO power and a title now, maybe???
One beat Cancer, you don't get braver than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
The other one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyOne beat Cancer, you don't get braver than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Hopkins, Cloud-Pascal, Cleverly, Froch II, either Dirrell, Abraham, Campillo, etc.
Ward will find someone to fight and it's going to be big.
He will fight Magee, or Magee will fight Abraham and the winner will fight someone;D
Oh, just looked and apparently Dirrell is fighting Magee.
I know nobody wants to see it after his destruction by froch, but I wouldn't mind seeing ward-bute. Bute has skills and ward is a completely different fighter and wouldn't just be able to walk thru butes shots and punk him, I think it would be fairly intresting...then again its just as likely that ward would mug him. Hell I read an article over on ringtv that wards coach is looking at rematches with kess and froch, which I wouldn't mind seeing on neutral ground. not saying the outcomes would be diffrent I definitely see ward beating em botg again,but kess was sort of headbutted to hell in the fight...they might make it closer this go round
Unless Ward is going to travel, im not interested.
If he wants to fight Kessler, go to Denmark and do it in front of a crowd, if he wants to fight Froch go to England. He gets babied.
He needs a ref that isnt such a fucking spastic and wont allow him to lurch in with the lead right hand just to hold, thats his arsenal, thats his game plan. Its like watching a 47 year old Hopkins. All this talk of Calzaghe, even now id give him a good shot of beating Ward. Andre wouldnt be let to hold, hed be made to work and weve seen him look shot late against Froch and Bika. Hed look like that in the 8th with Calzaghe.
More money in america thats why the fights are usually there. Hatton went there many times in the prime of his career and so has khan.
Ward makes more money this way and so do the opponents.
True, but there's no need to ONLY fight in Oakland what about Vegas or NY or freaking LA for that matter. Andre Ward fights in his backyard ALL THE TIME! 4 of his last 6 fights have been in Oakland.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I wonder if anyone at 160 could move up to challenge him, at one point in time I thought Andy Lee or Peter Quillen would run 168, but right now it's all Ward. Now the question becomes: does he unify the titles & defend them, defend his titles, or move weight divisions in search of bigger fights?
Ward got $1.3m against Dawson ($600,000)
Chavez Jr-Martinez are carving up $4.4m in Vegas.
It's not really America where the money is, it's more about where you fight in the USA and what TV company you're with.
Add all their purses together and that's about the amount David Haye made for bashing up Chisora. Triple it for the Klitschko fight ;)
Ward vs the winner of the JC Jr - Martinez fight would be big
Especially Jr considering he's already earning double the paydays Ward is.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
And that fight wouldn't be anywhere near Oakland, thats for sure
Ward can beat all, his next challenge is to fight away from his hometown.
But then I won't be able to get there by car!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Anyway, I'm guessing his next big fight will be in Vegas. He's gotten a lot of accolades following the Dawson fight. No, he's not going to command the size purse that Chavez Jr. does (which we all know is 95% due to the identity of his father), but now that people are openly questioning whether he might be the #1 p4p fighter in the world, he's a bigger name.
England is a relatively tiny country. I don't see why he would go there to face a challenger he already dominated with one broken hand. (I also think Froch would prefer to fight Bute and Kessler again before even thinking about a Ward rematch -- he's said as much -- and at that point he'll be pushing 37 years old.)
Absolutely but as I said previously:Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
1. I really don't see Junior winning; to me, the fight is a mismatch. I think the most likely outcome is the fight gets stopped in the late rounds.
2. Martinez is a natural 154 pounder. He's very small for middleweight and would be completely disadvantaged at anything over 160. And I don't see Ward going down to 160. Even a catchweight of 164 would be a big net disadvantage to Martinez.
3. But if Junior is way better than I give him credit for and actually beats Martinez (most likely as a gift from Jose Sulaiman), then by all means, Ward-Junior at 168 is the biggest fight you could make. Junior would even have a size advantage.
Not really -- the difference there is that one fight involves the son of a huge boxing legend and the other doesn't. "Carving up $4.4m" is misleading -- $3M is going to Junior; Martinez is getting only $100k more than Ward got to fight in Oakland against a much smaller-name (outside of hardcore boxing fans) opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Once again, Ward has lost in court to Goosen.
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The Word is the next for Ward. Not sure what it means though
ward sucks balls. boring, dirty, clinching hugging lame-o.