Roy Jones just said live
"Sergio Martinez is probably the closest thing that you'll ever see to what the old Roy Jones was"...
That's funny.
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Roy Jones just said live
"Sergio Martinez is probably the closest thing that you'll ever see to what the old Roy Jones was"...
That's funny.
Roy is a great commentator. Double Martinez' speed and power and he might come close to what Jones was.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Yeah I think he was being hyperbolic and still finding ways to stroke his obviously still super huge EGO.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHRoy is a great commentator. Double Martinez' speed and power and he might come close to what Jones was.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
They both keep their hands down a bit and circle, but that's as far as it goes. Sergio is a much more enjoyable fighter to watch.
Possibly because his fights are closer than Prime RJJ's were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Roy wasn't enjoyable cause of his complete domination of opponents......is that what u meant to say?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I find Jones Jr's style to be significantly different to that of Martinez. Martinez takes risks in his fights and thus we get fights like against Pavlik and Williams. Very fun and fan friendly. Jones Jr. was never particularly fan friendly.
Andre Dirrell is probably more similar to Jones Jr than Martinez and I find him dull to watch too. It isn't a style I warm too very easily.
Dude, he knocked out a guy with his hands behind his back. Jones was a lot of things, but he was a very entertaining fighter (edit: or as entertaining as someone who massively outclassed all of his opponents until the end could be).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
AWWW Man that's just an insult to RJJ... Harold Lederman once said "andre dirrell fighting the worst fight I've ever seen in my life"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I respect Jones Jr, but cannot say I enjoyed his style. I believe a lot of other fighters have been a lot more entertaining. I like different styles, from that of Barrera, Toney, Tyson, and Calzaghe. All very different, but the all reflexes and avoid a punch at all costs style is just a bit boring. It is effective, but I don't regard it as very entertaining. You can nod off at points.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHDude, he knocked out a guy with his hands behind his back. Jones was a lot of things, but he was a very entertaining fighter (edit: or as entertaining as someone who massively outclassed all of his opponents until the end could be).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
So why didn't you like Roy's style? Was he playing too safe while knocking people out and rarely losing a round?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI respect Jones Jr, but cannot say I enjoyed his style. I believe a lot of other fighters have been a lot more entertaining. I like different styles, from that of Barrera, Toney, Tyson, and Calzaghe. All very different, but the all reflexes and avoid a punch at all costs style is just a bit boring. It is effective, but I don't regard it as very entertaining. You can nod off at points.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHDude, he knocked out a guy with his hands behind his back. Jones was a lot of things, but he was a very entertaining fighter (edit: or as entertaining as someone who massively outclassed all of his opponents until the end could be).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I didn't even hear him saying this, but I told my bro , that Martinez fights similar as RJJ. Not exacly the same. But there are similarities . He uses his jab more often and isn't as fast and strong as RJJ was (keep in mind RJJ was in a different weight class- Sergio isn't a big MDW)
It wasn't very fun. It was all about athleticism and not getting tagged, which is great, but ultimately can lead to a lot of less than interesting fights. A stoppage is great, but not if you are bored waiting for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestySo why didn't you like Roy's style? Was he playing too safe while knocking people out and rarely losing a round?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI respect Jones Jr, but cannot say I enjoyed his style. I believe a lot of other fighters have been a lot more entertaining. I like different styles, from that of Barrera, Toney, Tyson, and Calzaghe. All very different, but the all reflexes and avoid a punch at all costs style is just a bit boring. It is effective, but I don't regard it as very entertaining. You can nod off at points.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHDude, he knocked out a guy with his hands behind his back. Jones was a lot of things, but he was a very entertaining fighter (edit: or as entertaining as someone who massively outclassed all of his opponents until the end could be).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Roy Jones is an odd one for me. I like the guy and respect his achievements, but I never sit down and watch a fight and think 'I am really enjoying this'. I need more grit and crunch.
Purist, what the hell is that avatar all about? Is that a sexy pout? :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestySo why didn't you like Roy's style? Was he playing too safe while knocking people out and rarely losing a round?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI respect Jones Jr, but cannot say I enjoyed his style. I believe a lot of other fighters have been a lot more entertaining. I like different styles, from that of Barrera, Toney, Tyson, and Calzaghe. All very different, but the all reflexes and avoid a punch at all costs style is just a bit boring. It is effective, but I don't regard it as very entertaining. You can nod off at points.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHDude, he knocked out a guy with his hands behind his back. Jones was a lot of things, but he was a very entertaining fighter (edit: or as entertaining as someone who massively outclassed all of his opponents until the end could be).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Roy was class and far more talented that Sergio. Martinez should be blushing (and gushing) with embarrassment.
This sums up this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I like sergio but roy is in a class that no one has ever been.
Its either that or his whatcho talkin bout Willis! face.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HPurist, what the hell is that avatar all about? Is that a sexy pout? :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestySo why didn't you like Roy's style? Was he playing too safe while knocking people out and rarely losing a round?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI respect Jones Jr, but cannot say I enjoyed his style. I believe a lot of other fighters have been a lot more entertaining. I like different styles, from that of Barrera, Toney, Tyson, and Calzaghe. All very different, but the all reflexes and avoid a punch at all costs style is just a bit boring. It is effective, but I don't regard it as very entertaining. You can nod off at points.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHDude, he knocked out a guy with his hands behind his back. Jones was a lot of things, but he was a very entertaining fighter (edit: or as entertaining as someone who massively outclassed all of his opponents until the end could be).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
It's nothing to be ashamed of that Sergio isn't equal to that because NO ONE is.Quote:
Originally Posted by impThis sums up this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I like sergio but roy is in a class that no one has ever been.
Roy was exceptional but his record was laughable! He never fought any of the main men in any division!
He unified the light heavyweight division, so he could not have avoided too many top fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
You can see it in the bigger picture. The swagger, confidence, setting traps for guys and whipping in hooks and repositioning them without them even realizing it etc. Sergio is an oddity somewhat like Jones who was not a technically sound 'boxer' at least in the truest definition. Dude was all reflex...instinct and speed. I actually think Martinez is closer to a traditional boxer....and at the risk of being laughed off the board...he has more gears than Roy, he def takes more chances but no he has not accomplished as much. He's at peak at 37 yrs old with late start in sport and bare minimal ama background its a good compliment.
The bigger question is what does that make Chavez. Ruiz or Richard hall :-X Damn I need some serious coffee!
Oh do one Philosopher. You come on this forum talking about how wonderful and amazing Calzaghe was but can pick faults in Roy Jones Jr's CV?? Now THAT is what's laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
Calzaghe never fought a single fighter EVER the calibur of James Toney prime or Hopkins prime. You are trolling this thread real hard with that shit.
Gandalf, you're also mad that it's pretty much widely accepted Roy would have made JC his bitch if they fought when it truly mattered. I have no other reason to believe anybody could not like watching an RJJ masterclass in his prime.
Back to the topic at hand, Martinez is nowhere near as invincible as Roy was during his peak. He can be caught occasionally but then again he's hit his peak later. Imagine he hit it at 25? I know he didn't start til he was what, like 20? That in itself is mighty impressive.
Calm down cupcake...u talk like a schoolboy! 'U cum on here....' LOL. It is a boxing debate forum is it not? Calzaghe was amazing and wonderful ;)Quote:
Oh do one Philosopher. You come on this forum talking about how wonderful and amazing Calzaghe was but can pick faults in Roy Jones Jr's CV?? Now THAT is what's laughable.
PRIME Hopkin's thats a laugh, he was barely top 10 and had only fought 11 fights that were sanctioned for 10 rounds or more! And toney had to make weight about 7 times! Prime hopkins LOL Mercado battered him.....
Its hard to take someone serious who has a man wearing a thong as his avatar! But if u want lets talk 168lb vinny pazienza and overlook, liles, dariusz, eubank etc
Anyone can look invincible fighting CW mcallum and taxi drivers! Nunn, liles, benn, eubank, michalkewski, maske, rochigianni, collins, calzaghe etc were are they?
And dont act like beating toney was some awe inspiring feat....griffin and thadzi did it !! Even bummy terry mcgroom gave him all he could handle! Calzaghe beats toney.
P.S I wont 'do one' il do two: http://blogs.reuters.com/photographe...-and-boris.jpg
I cant believe this has turned into a jones vs calzaghe thread!
Okay everyone deep breath...
Lets congratulate martinez on a great fight but he is no way near rjj status.
As i said on previous posts JC is great boxer with excellant stamina but lets not get it twisted..rjj in his prime is like comparing Galvatron to starscream.
Rjj made toney and hopkins look like sparring partners and the body shot he gave virgil hill was like a gunshot.
I know there are die hard calzaghe fans but surely they realise frank, enzo and JC wanted no part of rjj many moons ago.
Lets not forget rjj is a former heavyweight champion of the world.
What middleweight today has the ability to do that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoCOg8ZzUfg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Originally Posted by imp
I agree with what you've said. And pretty much everyone that says RJJ>JC ;D;D;D
But bringing up his win over Ruiz will only open room for them to counter with "he wasn't heavyweight champ he was a titleholder blah blah blah"
Ruiz wasnt the best heavyweight but he was good enough to beat holyfield. Cant knock rjj achievement. Then to keep the fans happy he drops 25lbs of muscle and weight and beats tarver. Genius.
As I said before, you manipulate data to suit your stupid arguments! Mercado beat Hopkins in his first pro fight you complete buffoon..What bearing does that have on his fight with RJJ?Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
I don't know, where were those fighters that you mentioned? Was Roy truly at fault for not fighting them or did everybody just want to sit happily in their backyards? In which case it would have been their fault because Roy was the top guy.
Calzaghe may or may not have beat Toney but again, as always with Calzaghe it can only be a "he would have.." scenario.
Also the schoolboy thing...? I don't get it - you started mocking my grammar when there was nothing wrong with it. Good one clever clogs. Maybe you just like schoolboys? Keep that shit to yourself.
Finally, only Greenbeanz has the right to use the picture of me in my avatar against me..and it's designer swimwear, jackass, not a thong ;D
I speak the truth that is what irks you! What have i manipulated? You have been given facts!Quote:
As I said before, you manipulate data to suit your stupid arguments!
Mercado DREW with hopkins in hopkins 29th pro fight! Are u stupid? (I think u are confusing mercado with cintron mitchell!) The bearing it has is thus: Hopkins at that point in his career was beatable as evidenced by mercado decking him twice a year later and fighting to a draw (I thought mercado had done enough to get the decision!) Also note hopkins was rated around #8 (Not #1) at the time and it was hardly a BEATDOWN was it? Jones just ran for 12 rounds in a close (5 rounds to 7) fight!Quote:
Mercado beat Hopkins in his first pro fight you complete buffoon..What bearing does that have on his fight with RJJ?
I think u will find that dariusz was linear/ring mag champ at LHW from 97-03.Quote:
I don't know, where were those fighters that you mentioned? Was Roy truly at fault for not fighting them or did everybody just want to sit happily in their backyards? In which case it would have been their fault because Roy was the top guy.
If he was Welsh like Calzaghe or German like dariusz he would be bashed from the same people who praise him now! De La Hoya IMO was the greatest fighter of the 90's not jones! Plus he got his guts spilt by journeyman johnson and roid freak nobody tarver, Calzaghe was outboxing undefeated lacy and kessler!
Obviously:Quote:
Calzaghe may or may not have beat Toney but again, as always with Calzaghe it can only be a "he would have.." scenario.
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/a...he_644071a.jpg
Won't even dignify that....Quote:
Also the schoolboy thing...? I don't get it - you started mocking my grammar when there was nothing wrong with it. Good one clever clogs. Maybe you just like schoolboys? Keep that shit to yourself.
Why do u coat yourself in wood stain?Quote:
Finally, only Greenbeanz has the right to use the picture of me in my avatar against me..and it's designer swimwear, jackass, not a thong ;D
So much nonsense to address, but that one stood out the most.... too laughable refute... Have you ever seen the film "Stephen King's Cat's Eye" the one where the little TROLL constantly tries to steal Drew Barrymore's breath while she sleeps?Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
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I think u will find that dariusz was linear/ring mag champ at LHW from 97-03.
So much nonsense to address, but that one stood out the most.... too laughable refute... Have you ever seen the film "Stephen King's Cat's Eye" the one where the little TROLL constantly tries to steal Drew Barrymore's breath while she sleeps?[/QUOTE]
No i don't watch stephen king films or read his books i am far too busy and educated. I prefer a little chomsky and maybe a david lean epic...
The jones/dariusz linear thing is disputed 'Disputed undisputed champions' to this day...Roy Jones Jr. was promoted as the undisputed light heavyweight champion by HBO after unifying the WBA, WBC and IBF titles in June 1999, for which he was also awarded The Ring championship title in 2002. However, two of those belts (WBA and IBF) had been stripped from Dariusz Michalczewski, who had unified them with his WBO title by beating the Lineal champion Virgil Hill in June 1997, and subsequently remained unbeaten, defending his remaining belt until 2004.
Speaking of Jones' claim to being undisputed champion, one writer opined that the distinction "could just as easily belong to current WBO titlist Dariusz Michalczewski."
The new line of LINEAR LHW CHAMP began with hill defeating maske, dariusz then defeated hill!
Because coating your mum in cumstain got old :kissing:Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
This thread has become quite unusual. I agree that Calzaghe is the greatest fighter to have ever fought at SMW. I love Toney and Hopkins less so, but Calzaghe would never have had serious problems with either. Also, pretty cool that somebody else likes to read Chomsky.
Chomsky would destroy RJJ at LHW. Reflexes only take you so far when you are dealing with a man who laughs in the face of behaviourism.
No i don't watch stephen king films or read his books i am far too busy and educated. I prefer a little chomsky and maybe a david lean epic...Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
The jones/dariusz linear thing is disputed 'Disputed undisputed champions' to this day...Roy Jones Jr. was promoted as the undisputed light heavyweight champion by HBO after unifying the WBA, WBC and IBF titles in June 1999, for which he was also awarded The Ring championship title in 2002. However, two of those belts (WBA and IBF) had been stripped from Dariusz Michalczewski, who had unified them with his WBO title by beating the Lineal champion Virgil Hill in June 1997, and subsequently remained unbeaten, defending his remaining belt until 2004.
Speaking of Jones' claim to being undisputed champion, one writer opined that the distinction "could just as easily belong to current WBO titlist Dariusz Michalczewski."
The new line of LINEAR LHW CHAMP began with hill defeating maske, dariusz then defeated hill![/QUOTE]
Roy Jones would have beaten Darius, who was a decent fighter, but not as great as Jones. Roy Jones stopped Hill and beat Gonzales easily, the same Gonzales that eventually beat Dariuz.
Chomsky is possibly the most overrated intellectual ever.
His theories on language acquisition are almost as dumb as those of his fawning bitch and fellow dullard Stephen Pinker.
RJJ is not the greatest fighter ever
Neither is JC
Martinez is very good but not the best either
Give the man a break though
His behaviour and dignity outside the ring is exemplary, he is a clever boxer and fun to watch, and is a credit to the sport.
He will be missed when Golovkin Knocks him out
Would u say that to my face? I doubt it...Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzBecause coating your mum in cumstain got old :kissing:Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER