Why so much dislike for Chavez Jr?

Why do some of you dislike the man so much? Give us some solid examples and reasoning. Wearing speedos, eating cold cereal, being ugly (not true), being protected (brought along slowly and carefully), having rich parents are pretty lame excuses for disliking someone but if that's all you have go ahead, just explain it to us. Look, I don't belong to Jr's fan club (if there is one) or believe fighters shouldn't be fairly criticized. I think Jr proved he belonged in that ring with Martinez, he took his ass whipping for 11.75 rounds, then had Martinez on his fanny and came close to a TKO or even a KO win. I'm glad Martinez won the fight, but Chavez showed he has what it takes to be a champion and will be again.

People hated Chavez Sr. as well back in the day and received pretty much the same feedback “He’s a bum…he’s no good…he fights tomato cans…” and look how far Sr. got and all his boxing accomplishments. He has a well deserved spot in the Boxing Hall of Fame. He beat Puerto Ricans, Americans, Asians, Europeans, etc. left and right. Should have retired earlier in his career but oh well. And then you have HIS SON come out to box, of course people are going to hate him.

It’s like Floyd Mayweather Jr. The guy is skilled, no doubt. But he is easy to hate because of his loud mouth. At least he walks the talk, right? Imagine if he has a son that comes out to box. I can imagine he will be automatically hated.

Well..some people on this forum who shall remain nameless will come in here and say that they hate him because he goes up in weight and packs many pounds after the weigh in day..even though everyone has the ability to do this... Amazing huh? They will also tell you he fights bums even though he had no amateur background and had recently began stepping up his competition. Some will create this conspiracy theories how his god father watches over him and stripped Martinez of his belt so he could give it to Chavez. But honestly when it's all said and done most just hate him because he is Mexican ,young the son of a legend and because his fans support him. Guess they are mad at Mexicans for being hardcore fans and following their fighters.

First, people hated him because he didn't get in the ring with Martinez. Now they hate him because he lost. If he changed his last name before he started to box (how about Julio Cesar Perez? :p), maybe people would be praising him for being a young boxer with no amateur career who decided to face Martinez.

He's gotten a lot of breaks due to his name and what it means to Mexico and boxing in general. His father was a blood and guts fighter that also had some fights handed to him namely the Whittaker one. JC Jr is just now fighting top talent, he's doing well, but I don't like how he got there when compared to how guys like Andre Ward got to where he is or Sergio Martinez got to where he is....they didn't have their names make it easy for them.

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Originally Posted by beenKOed

Why do some of you dislike the man so much? Give us some solid examples and reasoning. Wearing speedos, eating cold cereal, being ugly (not true), being protected (brought along slowly and carefully), having rich parents are pretty lame excuses for disliking someone but if that's all you have go ahead, just explain it to us. Look, I don't belong to Jr's fan club (if there is one) or believe fighters shouldn't be fairly criticized. I think Jr proved he belonged in that ring with Martinez, he took his ass whipping for 11.75 rounds, then had Martinez on his fanny and came close to a TKO or even a KO win. I'm glad Martinez won the fight, but Chavez showed he has what it takes to be a champion and will be again.

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Why would you like him? He consistently comes off as a spoiled brat and overall douche bag.

Making a trainer come to the gym at a special time just for him... and then not showing up?

Doing whatever he wants because he's rich and has power, like skipping drug tests and having fights tipped in his favor?

As far as I can see there are only two reasons someone would like him.

1) You're a huge JCC Sr fan, and can't bring yourself to root against his son.

2) Everyone hates him (rightfully so) so you wanna be "different" and like the bad guy.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

...they didn't have their names make it easy for them.

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aka Marvıs Frazıer's tıtle shot at Tyson. I mean wtf was that???



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxIFXgVO9Qc

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Why would you like him? He consistently comes off as a spoiled brat and overall douche bag.

Making a trainer come to the gym at a special time just for him... and then not showing up?

Doing whatever he wants because he's rich and has power, like skipping drug tests and having fights tipped in his favor?

As far as I can see there are only two reasons someone would like him.

1) You're a huge JCC Sr fan, and can't bring yourself to root against his son.

2) Everyone hates him (rightfully so) so you wanna be "different" and like the bad guy.

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See what I mean, lame, lamer, lamest and silly.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

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Originally Posted by beenKOed

Why do some of you dislike the man so much? Give us some solid examples and reasoning. Wearing speedos, eating cold cereal, being ugly (not true), being protected (brought along slowly and carefully), having rich parents are pretty lame excuses for disliking someone but if that's all you have go ahead, just explain it to us. Look, I don't belong to Jr's fan club (if there is one) or believe fighters shouldn't be fairly criticized. I think Jr proved he belonged in that ring with Martinez, he took his ass whipping for 11.75 rounds, then had Martinez on his fanny and came close to a TKO or even a KO win. I'm glad Martinez won the fight, but Chavez showed he has what it takes to be a champion and will be again.

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Yea I was like wtf when I saw that too. He/she also posted in my thread that chavez is handsome.....so Im gonna assume he is gay or it is a female poster......or maybe its chavez himself. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYVqtWeY-oI&feature=related

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Originally Posted by beenKOed

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Why would you like him? He consistently comes off as a spoiled brat and overall douche bag.

Making a trainer come to the gym at a special time just for him... and then not showing up?

Doing whatever he wants because he's rich and has power, like skipping drug tests and having fights tipped in his favor?

As far as I can see there are only two reasons someone would like him.

1) You're a huge JCC Sr fan, and can't bring yourself to root against his son.

2) Everyone hates him (rightfully so) so you wanna be "different" and like the bad guy.

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See what I mean, lame, lamer, lamest and silly.

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You ask for reasons... fair enough. But then people give you reasons and you dismiss them. Let me try to put it in my own way:

The vast majority of big-name fighters nowadays have to work their ASS off to amass 30 or 40 wins at the professional level. Then along comes this spoiled brat (this is where his training habits and his lack of discipline... it must take a lot ($$) for Roach to put up with him), and begins fighting dead bodies as a pro. The excuse given by blind Chavez fans is that he had no amateur career.

WHAT THE FUCK, MORONIC KIND OF EXCUSE IS THAT?!?

What fault is it of anyone that he chose to not have an amateur career? So that gives you a free pass to begin amassing an artificial "pro" record that will be compared to those poor bastards that are fighting good opposition by their 10th fight? I don't think so. Because at the end of it all..... people are just going to look at the numbers. "Oh... he's got 50 or 100 victories? Wow!! He must've been head and shoulders above everybody else!" Bullshit. Most of the victories were with training wheels on. Sergio Martinez himself aluded to this, by saying Junior was undeserving of being a champion..... and it irritated him to hear that Junior was only NOW taking a step up. WTF is that?

Bear with me..... I've only mentioned one reason so far.

Next. BECAUSE he's Chavez's son.... not only has he been coddled into an artificial record. He's also been protected by probably the most corrupt sports organization president in the history of the civilized world: Jose Sulaiman. The guy's a joke. But he's far from harmless. He's completely chummy with Papa Chavez, and has bent every rule in the book to protect Junior's previously unbeaten record. Sulaiman wants to strip OTHER boxers of their WBC belts (see: Ward, Garcia). But Junior could probably walk in there with cement blocks tied to his hands (like Margarito, who by the way Sulaiman defended vehemently)..... and Sulaiman would probably wink and look the other way.

Want more? How about the doping issues with Chavez Jr. The missed piss tests. "Oh... little Junior can't produce a piss sample. I guess we'll all have to go home." Give me a fucking break. The rules aren't bent...... they're broken.

I could go on and on, but I won't. I WILL add this: The hate isn't just reserved for the Chavez cartel. Some of it goes to the blind Chavez fans, like in this forum. He's Mexican, so he can do no wrong. Just like Margarito. So naturally..... when Junior got taught a painful boxing lesson by a one-handed man on Saturday...... the gloating was on BIG TIME!!!!!

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by beenKOed

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Why would you like him? He consistently comes off as a spoiled brat and overall douche bag.

Making a trainer come to the gym at a special time just for him... and then not showing up?

Doing whatever he wants because he's rich and has power, like skipping drug tests and having fights tipped in his favor?

As far as I can see there are only two reasons someone would like him.

1) You're a huge JCC Sr fan, and can't bring yourself to root against his son.

2) Everyone hates him (rightfully so) so you wanna be "different" and like the bad guy.

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See what I mean, lame, lamer, lamest and silly.

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You ask for reasons... fair enough. But then people give you reasons and you dismiss them. Let me try to put it in my own way:

The vast majority of big-name fighters nowadays have to work their ASS off to amass 30 or 40 wins at the professional level. Then along comes this spoiled brat (this is where his training habits and his lack of discipline... it must take a lot ($$) for Roach to put up with him), and begins fighting dead bodies as a pro. The excuse given by blind Chavez fans is that he had no amateur career.

WHAT THE FUCK, MORONIC KIND OF EXCUSE IS THAT?!?

What fault is it of anyone that he chose to not have an amateur career? So that gives you a free pass to begin amassing an artificial "pro" record that will be compared to those poor bastards that are fighting good opposition by their 10th fight? I don't think so. Because at the end of it all..... people are just going to look at the numbers. "Oh... he's got 50 or 100 victories? Wow!! He must've been head and shoulders above everybody else!" Bullshit. Most of the victories were with training wheels on. Sergio Martinez himself aluded to this, by saying Junior was undeserving of being a champion..... and it irritated him to hear that Junior was only NOW taking a step up. WTF is that?

Bear with me..... I've only mentioned one reason so far.

Next. BECAUSE he's Chavez's son.... not only has he been coddled into an artificial record. He's also been protected by probably the most corrupt sports organization president in the history of the civilized world: Jose Sulaiman. The guy's a joke. But he's far from harmless. He's completely chummy with Papa Chavez, and has bent every rule in the book to protect Junior's previously unbeaten record. Sulaiman wants to strip OTHER boxers of their WBC belts (see: Ward, Garcia). But Junior could probably walk in there with cement blocks tied to his hands (like Margarito, who by the way Sulaiman defended vehemently)..... and Sulaiman would probably wink and look the other way.

Want more? How about the doping issues with Chavez Jr. The missed piss tests. "Oh... little Junior can't produce a piss sample. I guess we'll all have to go home." Give me a fucking break. The rules aren't bent...... they're broken.

I could go on and on, but I won't. I WILL add this: The hate isn't just reserved for the Chavez cartel. Some of it goes to the blind Chavez fans, like in this forum. He's Mexican, so he can do no wrong. Just like Margarito. So naturally..... when Junior got taught a painful boxing lesson by a one-handed man on Saturday...... the gloating was on BIG TIME!!!!!

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Tito,

I cant speak for everyone but when you say some Mexican fans blindly cheer for Chavez because he's Mexican and "can do no wrong" I think maybe you are misinterpretting or misunderstanding the sentiment. For me personally its not that he can do no wrong or that I am blind to the suspicions that go on in his career its simply that despite all those things he is still Mexican so we support our country man.

Like I mentioned in threads before the fight, if he would have won the win can have all the asteriks on it you want and I wouldnt whole heartedly cheer for Chavez with all the passes he has gotten but when it comes down to it and the two guys are in the ring of course I want the Mexican fighter to win. Doesnt mean its blind or misguided it just is what it is, you know Boxing is very nationalistic so chalk it up to that not some "Little Mexican Connection" as you like to call it.

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Originally Posted by beenKOed

Why do some of you dislike the man so much? Give us some solid examples and reasoning. Wearing speedos, eating cold cereal, being ugly (not true), being protected (brought along slowly and carefully), having rich parents are pretty lame excuses for disliking someone but if that's all you have go ahead, just explain it to us. Look, I don't belong to Jr's fan club (if there is one) or believe fighters shouldn't be fairly criticized. I think Jr proved he belonged in that ring with Martinez, he took his ass whipping for 11.75 rounds, then had Martinez on his fanny and came close to a TKO or even a KO win. I'm glad Martinez won the fight, but Chavez showed he has what it takes to be a champion and will be again.

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Is this a serious question? Barker won much more time as well as Macklin and Pavlik. Proved he belonged in the ring with Martinez? He was shut out. Completely by a man with a broken power hand that he probably outweighed by 15 pounds.

A day after the fight ended Arum is in the press claiming they are in discussion for a rematch in Cowboys stadium lmfao.

Dislike has nothing to do with it. He was born with a silver spoon up his ass and was just totally and irrevocably exposed.

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Originally Posted by beenKOed

Why do some of you dislike the man so much? Give us some solid examples and reasoning. Wearing speedos, eating cold cereal, being ugly (not true), being protected (brought along slowly and carefully), having rich parents are pretty lame excuses for disliking someone but if that's all you have go ahead, just explain it to us. Look, I don't belong to Jr's fan club (if there is one) or believe fighters shouldn't be fairly criticized. I think Jr proved he belonged in that ring with Martinez, he took his ass whipping for 11.75 rounds, then had Martinez on his fanny and came close to a TKO or even a KO win. I'm glad Martinez won the fight, but Chavez showed he has what it takes to be a champion and will be again.

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Just to note, Junior has a huge fan following. Outside of Mayweather, Pacquiao, and the Klitschkos, he is arguably the most popular boxer in the world. His fights do better ratings on HBO than any other boxer. His fight against Martinez allegedly did more than 500,000 PPV's; that's due to Junior, not Martinez. Thus, the posters here that don't like him actually might be in the minority.

As for me, I could care less if he is the coddled son of a boxing legend. I dislike him because he reeks of shadiness. Nevada suspends him for illegal drug use in his fight against Rowland. So, he moves his fights to Texas. In Texas, the boxing commission and the sanctioning body both conveniently forget to take his urine samples to test for drug use in the Rubio fight. In the following fight against Andy Lee, Emmanual Steward, an experienced trainer, also questioned the circumstances surrounding the drug test. Taking it all together, it is hard for me to like a guy where in almost every single fight it appears something untoward happens.

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Originally Posted by beenKOed

Why do some of you dislike the man so much? Give us some solid examples and reasoning. Wearing speedos, eating cold cereal, being ugly (not true), being protected (brought along slowly and carefully), having rich parents are pretty lame excuses for disliking someone but if that's all you have go ahead, just explain it to us. Look, I don't belong to Jr's fan club (if there is one) or believe fighters shouldn't be fairly criticized. I think Jr proved he belonged in that ring with Martinez, he took his ass whipping for 11.75 rounds, then had Martinez on his fanny and came close to a TKO or even a KO win. I'm glad Martinez won the fight, but Chavez showed he has what it takes to be a champion and will be again.

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@beenKOed -
Just to note, Junior has a huge fan following. Outside of Mayweather, Pacquiao, and the Klitschkos, he is arguably the most popular boxer in the world. His fights do better ratings on HBO than any other boxer. His fight against Martinez allegedly did more than 500,000 PPV's; that's due to Junior, not Martinez. Thus, the posters here that don't like him actually might be in the minority.

As for me, I could care less if he is the coddled son of a boxing legend. I dislike him because he reeks of shadiness. Nevada suspends him for illegal drug use in his fight against Rowland. So, he moves his fights to Texas. In Texas, the boxing commission and the sanctioning body both conveniently forget to take his urine samples to test for drug use in the Rubio fight. In the following fight against Andy Lee, Emmanual Steward, an experienced trainer, also questioned the circumstances surrounding the drug test. Taking it all together, it is hard for me to like a guy where in almost every single fight it appears something untoward happens.

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He would never have gotten away with that stuff if he wasn't Chavez Jr.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Why would you like him? He consistently comes off as a spoiled brat and overall douche bag.

Making a trainer come to the gym at a special time just for him... and then not showing up?

Doing whatever he wants because he's rich and has power, like skipping drug tests and having fights tipped in his favor?

As far as I can see there are only two reasons someone would like him.

1) You're a huge JCC Sr fan, and can't bring yourself to root against his son.

2) Everyone hates him (rightfully so) so you wanna be "different" and like the bad guy.

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See what I mean, lame, lamer, lamest and silly.

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So we can't dislike a douche bag? Does he have to slap my mother before I can dislike him? :confused:

It's not his nationality and it's not his father. Anyone on that thought wave is off. Frankly I don't see Jr doing a third of what Sr accomplished. He's just not that good and comes off like a entitled half asser who yeh, is coddled and rides far more reward than he's earned and or deserves. Being popular doesn't make you capable.

Junior has grown on me, he did better than I expected, credit to him.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by beenKOed

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Why would you like him? He consistently comes off as a spoiled brat and overall douche bag.

Making a trainer come to the gym at a special time just for him... and then not showing up?

Doing whatever he wants because he's rich and has power, like skipping drug tests and having fights tipped in his favor?

As far as I can see there are only two reasons someone would like him.

1) You're a huge JCC Sr fan, and can't bring yourself to root against his son.

2) Everyone hates him (rightfully so) so you wanna be "different" and like the bad guy.

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See what I mean, lame, lamer, lamest and silly.

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You ask for reasons... fair enough. But then people give you reasons and you dismiss them. Let me try to put it in my own way:

The vast majority of big-name fighters nowadays have to work their ASS off to amass 30 or 40 wins at the professional level. Then along comes this spoiled brat (this is where his training habits and his lack of discipline... it must take a lot ($$) for Roach to put up with him), and begins fighting dead bodies as a pro. The excuse given by blind Chavez fans is that he had no amateur career.

WHAT THE FUCK, MORONIC KIND OF EXCUSE IS THAT?!?

What fault is it of anyone that he chose to not have an amateur career? So that gives you a free pass to begin amassing an artificial "pro" record that will be compared to those poor bastards that are fighting good opposition by their 10th fight? I don't think so. Because at the end of it all..... people are just going to look at the numbers. "Oh... he's got 50 or 100 victories? Wow!! He must've been head and shoulders above everybody else!" Bullshit. Most of the victories were with training wheels on. Sergio Martinez himself aluded to this, by saying Junior was undeserving of being a champion..... and it irritated him to hear that Junior was only NOW taking a step up. WTF is that?

Bear with me..... I've only mentioned one reason so far.

Next. BECAUSE he's Chavez's son.... not only has he been coddled into an artificial record. He's also been protected by probably the most corrupt sports organization president in the history of the civilized world: Jose Sulaiman. The guy's a joke. But he's far from harmless. He's completely chummy with Papa Chavez, and has bent every rule in the book to protect Junior's previously unbeaten record. Sulaiman wants to strip OTHER boxers of their WBC belts (see: Ward, Garcia). But Junior could probably walk in there with cement blocks tied to his hands (like Margarito, who by the way Sulaiman defended vehemently)..... and Sulaiman would probably wink and look the other way.

Want more? How about the doping issues with Chavez Jr. The missed piss tests. "Oh... little Junior can't produce a piss sample. I guess we'll all have to go home." Give me a fucking break. The rules aren't bent...... they're broken.

I could go on and on, but I won't. I WILL add this: The hate isn't just reserved for the Chavez cartel. Some of it goes to the blind Chavez fans, like in this forum. He's Mexican, so he can do no wrong. Just like Margarito. So naturally..... when Junior got taught a painful boxing lesson by a one-handed man on Saturday...... the gloating was on BIG TIME!!!!!

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Tito,

I cant speak for everyone but when you say some Mexican fans blindly cheer for Chavez because he's Mexican and "can do no wrong" I think maybe you are misinterpretting or misunderstanding the sentiment. For me personally its not that he can do no wrong or that I am blind to the suspicions that go on in his career its simply that despite all those things he is still Mexican so we support our country man.

Like I mentioned in threads before the fight, if he would have won the win can have all the asteriks on it you want and I wouldnt whole heartedly cheer for Chavez with all the passes he has gotten but when it comes down to it and the two guys are in the ring of course I want the Mexican fighter to win. Doesnt mean its blind or misguided it just is what it is, you know Boxing is very nationalistic so chalk it up to that not some "Little Mexican Connection" as you like to call it.

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I can understand your support for a Mexican fighter in the ring. If there's two fighters in the ring and one of them is Puerto Rican, I'm supporting him. But I'm not blind to the facts about our fighters. If we had someone like Chavez Jr. over here, I might want him to win because he would be a local fighter.... but I wouldn't defend nor deny his wrongdoings. Some of you are very guilty of this. You defend the Mexican no matter what. Like you said in your opening sentence... you "can't speak for everyone".

I don't like him because his head is twice the size as everybody else's, therefore taking up twice as much room. He's just big headed both mentally and physically.

Chavez Jnr is horrid and my dislike all boils down to him. He took PPV off of his Dad's name, he stole a belt, fought bums, failed tests and doesn't even take his biggest fight seriously. I am glad he overreached and got found out and I hope he is banned for a year for his drugs failure. I don't like weed, any drug but that. Real fighters do class A's.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Chavez Jnr is horrid and my dislike all boils down to him. He took PPV off of his Dad's name, he stole a belt, fought bums, failed tests and doesn't even take his biggest fight seriously. I am glad he overreached and got found out and I hope he is banned for a year for his drugs failure. I don't like weed, any drug but that. Real fighters do class A's.

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Is that because it's Green?;D

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Originally Posted by beenKOed

Why do some of you dislike the man so much? Give us some solid examples and reasoning. Wearing speedos, eating cold cereal, being ugly (not true), being protected (brought along slowly and carefully), having rich parents are pretty lame excuses for disliking someone but if that's all you have go ahead, just explain it to us. Look, I don't belong to Jr's fan club (if there is one) or believe fighters shouldn't be fairly criticized. I think Jr proved he belonged in that ring with Martinez, he took his ass whipping for 11.75 rounds, then had Martinez on his fanny and came close to a TKO or even a KO win. I'm glad Martinez won the fight, but Chavez showed he has what it takes to be a champion and will be again.

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Time to give this some closure. You asked a fair enough question, and it has been answered beyond any shadow of a doubt, and with dozens of completely valid reasons. And to add insult to injury, Junior then comes up positive for weed, and could be fined and/or suspended. 99.9% of posters here are completely turned off and/or disgusted by Junior and his antics. The other 0.1% are either blind Chavez Jr. fans.... who would continue supporting him if he were to do crack in the ring, while telling Freddie Roach to fuck off..... or they're just blind period.

Now, I ask you......... Has the question been answered to your satisfaction?

Chavez jr is a good fighter. Think about it like this, nobody on this side of the ocean can beat him except Martinez. Only about 5 people in the world can beat him at 160lbs. Maybe not that many. He is lazy and does not train good but still better then most in the World