VK tribute thread...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLX4D...eature=related

Firstly my thoughts go out to corrie sanders and his family. RIP. Secondly let's celebrate the career of this great man Vitali Klitschko:

Finished with a record of 45-2.

-WBC champion sam peter who was 30-1.
-Kevin johnson who was 23-0-1.
-Shannon briggs who was 51-6-1. A former WBO and lineal champion.
-Herbie hide who was 31-1 and a two time WBO champion.
-Danny williams who was 32-3.
-Larry donald who was 39-3-2.
-Kirk johnson who was 34-1-1.
-Timo hoffman who was 22-0.
-Southpaw juan carlos gomez who was 44-1-1 and former WBC Cruiserweight champ.
-Thomasz adamek who was 44-1.Former WBC LHW Champ and former IBF and ring CW champ
-Derrick chisora who was 15–3.
-Corrie sanders who was 39-2. Sanders was the WBC heavyweight champion.
-Odlanier Solís who was 17-0. Solis won the Olympic Gold.
-Chris arreola who was 27-0.
-Orlin norris who was 51–7 1. A former WBA cruiserweight champion.
-Jose ribalta 38-14-1.
-Manuel charr who was 21-0.

(Fought lewis as a last minute replacement, lost on cut's! Lost to byrd due to a shoulder injury sustained at some point during the bout. Was ahead on cards in both fights!)

A 3X HW champion, never been floored or hardly ever dropped a round. ATG comeback. U cannot fail to respect this man (Considering he has been plagued with injuries throughout his entire career!) Good luck with your post fight career champ it has been a pleasure following your career...

Please post your thoughts and best wishes....

A true champion in the ring and out. Damn I miss him already. I love those upjabs of his and how just leaned back and came with a hard chopping straight. The subtle movement with his leg that it appeared that barely moves and yet he dominates distance and angles.

In 5-10 years time people will really appreciate how great he really was.

Best of luck Dr.

Oh wait...

I have gone to all that trouble and he doesn't have the decency to retire afterall!! Bloody heresay LOL.

Vitali u are 42 next time, go out on a high brother....leave it to wlad now.

It was a very good tribute too, well thought off.

I thought it was too early to retire Vitali, he wants to beat the crap out of Haye. :)

I want to hate the Klit brothers but can’t find a single decent reason, they are smart, funny and very good boxers who carry themselves like true professionals. They are a credit for clearing up the crap that is around today. We should appreciate them more.

Could be one of the all time greats for all we know, but he certainly aint gonna go down as one in my book, when his best win is against Sam Peter!

What a horrid list of victims. Not one person on that list that wouldn't have been beaten by the top 50 heavyweights of all time.

Can't even be bothered to quote that last reply or to dignify it! But then again...I'm bored!

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Not one person on that list that wouldn't have been beaten by the top 50 heavyweights of all time

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MATE, THE ONE'S WHO BARELY MADE IT ONTO THE LIST WOULD (AND DID!) BEAT A TOP 50 HW! LOL. I wasn't even gunna include orlin norris...will his victory over prime (top 50 HW!) oliver mcall and his 2 boxing lessons of tony tucker do??

Even VK'S lesser win's beat top 50 HW's let alone the better ones! LOL. I think your argument just got quashed!

Oh and for the record i think u will find that sam peter did better against james toney than john ruiz, rahman jirov or holyfield did! And he certainly did better against maskaev than former lineal champ rahman did! Again case quashed!

However peter is not his best win, i think that would be sanders who has a win over someone who is bordering on the top 10 (if he carries on doing as he's doing!) wladimir klitschko! Again case closed.

Now go watch:

-Herbie hide beat tony tucker and michael bentt.

-Danny williams beat tyson.

-Larry donald beat tim witherspoon and tyrell biggs.

-Kirk johnson beat oleg maskaev.

And finish on Juan carlos gomez outboxing mcall twice!!

P.s Multiple gold medallist solis would beat peter too!

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Don't hate. It's not vitali's fault he was walking through WBC champ sam peter at 38 yrs old (and retired!) and the likes of 38 yr old mike tyson were getting brutally kayoed by Danny williams is it?? Holmes resume is worse and we all know sanders would KO cooney!

Pps Sorry wlad!

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Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER

Can't even be bothered to quote that last reply or to dignify it!

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With the division we have currently the list is impressive as he sought out the best available to him, but H's statement is accurate.
This is not disrespectful towards Vitali; like Tyson, Marciano and Louis he fought what was available to him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PcwTzjXqqzI

Philosopher really! You quote Danny Williams beating Tyson. Please what are you on.

Just finished watching "Klitschko" for the first time on HBO, it's an excellent documentary about the 2 K-Bros, that's well worth watching. After watching it i've got nothing but respect for these 2 brothers, the doc is a personal look into their lives. I also enjoyed hearing what their mother and deceased father had to say about them, as well as Vitali's wife, who I think is beautiful.

Vitalis a great champ & a model boxer but unfortunatly in a shit era of heavy weights!! No one will no how gud (as in all time) he is or isnt because hes not boxed a prime tyson,lewis,holyfield (or go back) foreman,ali,frasier, theres been no real solid tests for him, look back over the years all the greats hav had litmus tests against GREAT fighters.........unfortunatly danny williams, chris arrolea & sam peter dont go down as litmus tests imp!!!!

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Originally Posted by Taffturner

Vitalis a great champ & a model boxer but unfortunatly in a shit era of heavy weights!! No one will no how gud (as in all time) he is or isnt because hes not boxed a prime tyson,lewis,holyfield (or go back) foreman,ali,frasier, theres been no real solid tests for him, look back over the years all the greats hav had litmus tests against GREAT fighters.........unfortunatly danny williams, chris arrolea & sam peter dont go down as litmus tests imp!!!!

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Just more cliche old timer crap! ANY AVERAGE force blows from either K2 in there prime would put the old timers into a coma!!! The only guys (with a few exceptions!) competitive enough would be Lewis and Tyson. George foreman said the K brother are as good as champions..! as any before them..! and that guy knows a bit about boxing. Shannon briggs stated vitali klitschko is the best fighter he ever fought...look he he's been in with! I will take them over your nostalgic pipe-dreams anyday....

6' 1", 187 lb. Jack Dempsey or a 5' 11", 188 lb. Rocky Marciano would plow through them right LOL.

Only lewis and tyson would be competitive with prime klitschko! Sorry. In fact i think we should discount the exceptional klitschkos and ask how Great olympians and multiple gold medallist's like a focused povetkin, prime byrd or solis would do!

What would happen between Tyson/tua and PRIME Sam Peter anyone's guess. I worth remembering Peter hang technically with Toney, who is acclaimed great technician. But of course tyson would blow peter away in northern nostalgia land.....

For all of you who hate the KO brothers its your loss...They changed the sport. They laughed in the face of homicidal don king...They completely own a division in every aspect! LOL.

Get over it. You do not have to be american to be a good HW.

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Originally Posted by Master

Philosopher really! You quote Danny Williams beating Tyson. Please what are you on.

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A train. How about You...A swing?

What was lewis' win over a 234lb tyson in 02 then?? What r u on!!

Lewis was linear champ and williams was a B level HW FFS! Yet we should de-value williams' win!! Williams was the underdog in that fight BTW!

Tyson was the same age as vitali was when he fought sam peter after a 4 year layoff! Again proves the greatness of VK. It's not vitalis fault he dominated 2 weight champ adamek and holmes lost to spinks!

Adamek would beat i.e michael moorer (Who was battered by bert cooper and barely defeated average axel schultz!) and arreola would give anyone (but the elite!) of any era a hard night!

VK = ATG H2H FIGHTER! Don't hate...appreciate! LOL.

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Philiospoher you are overly obsessive with age to make your arguments when you know that boxers age relative to the boxing matches they have.

Danny Williams LOL

Yeah i know danny williams lol...how embarrassing to get kayoed by him! U keep highlighting him, i just used him as an e.g same as norris, i don't think either man are in vitalis top 10 but the fact remains they beat tyson and mcall! Hence the original argument is defunct...

Now back to the topic at hand...Lets forget the exceptional klitschkos and focus on 2 of there better opponents i.e chris byrd and sam peter:

Sam peter beat the great james toney twice! The 2nd fight was a whitewash! Lets consider that a steroid riddlled toney beat ruiz, rahman, oquendo and holyfield! James toney is one of the ATG P4P fighters, one of the GREAT technicians! Can anyone other than casual fans honestly tell me that james toney would not have a chance at hustling 90's tyson! Tyson was easily frustrated and toney had a great chin so tysons power would be negated too...plus toney would not be intimidated by tyson! Tyson was one of THE great fighters of the 90's, can anyone really tell me tyson would be a cert over toney! I dont think so! 90's Tyson vs mid 00's toney is a 50\50 fight IMO yet peter beat him twice! Again lets HL the fact that toney outboxed ruiz, rahman, oquendo and holy! Vitali took him apart after a 4 year layoff...lets not forget too peter took maskaev apart just after he had defeated rahman for a 2nd time too! So don't label peter as some bum (i can only imagine what he would have done to someone like buster douglas!) Probably the same as he did to jeremy williams...The klitschkos fuckin ruined peter between them!

Now onto chris byrd: Byrd vs tua is not a match up we have to speculate about, it happened and tua was comprehensively outboxed! now tua is one of the greatest HW's of the 90's! He defeated moorer, ruiz, maskaev and rahman! So not only does that make byrd a great fighter it makes wlad klitschko even greater considering he owned him twice! Again byrd is clearly not a bum. Vitali vs byrd was also one sided (even byrds father admits vitali was doing a no. on chris!) if u think byrd is vitalis equal then i feel sorry for u ! Vitali (barring injuries) beats byrd easily in a rematch! Vitali quit, Byrd did not stop him, His body gave up on him! For good or bad that is simply the facts of the matter! Vitali klitschko beat vitali klitschko that night!

So can someone explain to me how it s a shit era or the klitschkos fight bums when peter was defeated x3 by the klitschkos and byrd x2?? Tua and toney got there arses owned by K2 victims now consider that between then they beat rahman, moorer, ruiz, maskaev, jirov, oquendo and holy! That is pretty impressive and shits on any arguments of dire eras and inferior opponents! They are inferior to klitscko they are not inferior to the vast majority of world class HW's! Wlad klitschko defeated byrd twice and peter twice how does that feel?? LOL. 3 of th best hw';s of the 90's could not defeat byrd and put HW toney in the 90's and i guarantee he would take scalps!!

So please quit talking your shit because we all know that olympic gold meddallists wlad, a motivated povetkin and solis are quality operators! But apparentl olympic gold isn't good enough nowadays and nor is dominance! We all know if these brothers were smack talking, darker skinned ghetto dwellers the americans would be all over them....there i said it! Oh and btw chagaev, byrd, undefeated calvin brock and adamek would do well in any era too! The americans only had it so good because the soviets couldn't turn pro! There has never been such a divese era as we have today, yes the ali era was competitive but it was competitve bewtween americans mainly and loaded with sub 200lb fighters!

James toney:

-UD Vasilly jirov.
-TKO Evander holyfield.
-MD Hashim rahman.
-TKO Hasim rahman (changed to NC due toney steroid abuse!)
-SD fres oquendo.
-UD Dominick guinn.

Sam peter SD and UD james toney.

David tua:

-TKO Hasim rahman
-Draw hasim rahman
-KO 1 john ruiz.
-KO 1 Michael moorer
-TKO 9 Fres oquendo.
-KO 6 danell nicholson.
-TKO 11 Oleg maskaev.

Chris byrd UD david tua.

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