How would david get on against the james toney that fought jirov, peter, rahman etc?
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How would david get on against the james toney that fought jirov, peter, rahman etc?
If it's the Toney that fought Jirov I think he stops Haye late. Toney poses a very difficult matchup for Haye seeing how David doesn't like to throw a ton of punches. To beat Toney you have to outwork him, if you try to pick your shots he's counter you all night long. So I say Haye does lots of moving & feinting to try and open up JT, tires himself out in the process, and when Haye tries the looping overhand right "hayemaker" Toney rolls & counters with a left hook and Haye never recovers and stumbles around as Toney flurries for the finish.
That said, David Haye has every single attribute needed to beat James Toney. He's quicker, more powerful, more athletic....but he's got no heart & no brain.
Can that fight still be made?
I'd be there in person.... rooting for Haye as loud as I possibly could.
And no..... this is not a joke.
This matchup has no relevance, haye is a belt fighter. Beating jt means nothing
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....you're telling me that you think this fight Haye vs Toney RIGHT NOW would make money??? If you are then you truly are an Obama voterQuote:
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Originally Posted by El Kabong....you're telling me that you think this fight Haye vs Toney RIGHT NOW would make money??? If you are then you truly are an Obama voterQuote:
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Wow... you're so destroyed already over the inevitable loss of Romney in the elections..... it's starting to spill over into the Boxing Board. Amazing... ;D
But back to boxing, I was being facetious bro.... chill out. Haven't you seen the scores of posts by @Fenster, et al, about how Haye could sell out Wembley stadium doing a wank? I'm sure Toney has similar fans.
Besides..... my wanting that fight only serves to underscore my intense dislike of James Toney, when I say I'd be rooting for Haye as loud as I could.
Get with the program, dude.
Asides the fact that Haye is not a volume puncher, there's another thing that must be taken in to consideration. That is that Toney was a masterful in-fighter as well as outboxer. It stands within reason that he'd walk Haye down to a corner with pressure rather than punches and while in tight space rough an opponent that is clueless on the inside.
I don't think Haye will lose because he's a 'bum' it merely is a stylistic matchup that favours Toney greatly.
....you know who I intensely dislike?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....you're telling me that you think this fight Haye vs Toney RIGHT NOW would make money??? If you are then you truly are an Obama voterQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Wow... you're so destroyed already over the inevitable loss of Romney in the elections..... it's starting to spill over into the Boxing Board. Amazing... ;D
But back to boxing, I was being facetious bro.... chill out. Haven't you seen the scores of posts by @Fenster, et al, about how Haye could sell out Wembley stadium doing a wank? I'm sure Toney has similar fans.
Besides..... my wanting that fight only serves to underscore my intense dislike of James Toney, when I say I'd be rooting for Haye as loud as I could.
Get with the program, dude.
I think Haye would beat Toney at Cruiserweight as he was more natural at the weight and would have the respect of Toney because Haye can hit hard. At heavyweight I think Haye wins again but one mistake and Haye could be gone. It will not happen now as James is way over the hill.
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Please do not misquote the great man. Thank you.
Then how did Roy beat toney??
By being faster, sharper and more coordinated than Haye ever could?
Id take Toney over Haye 7/10 at any weight.
The Toney of Jirov gets Haye to fight his pace and catches him jumping in with short rights one to many times. Haye has a punchers chance but Toney would shoulder roll Haye out of his boots.
Haye would beat Jirov, especially being the southpaw, Haye was legitimate cruiser weight which would handle Toney.
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James Toney at both weights, because quite frankly, he was lovely stuff. The shoulder roll thing, I love the way Toney does that. It is just lovely. Then there is the way he will make you lead and counter you with nasty, quick counters. Honestly, if that isn't lovely I don't know what is. Haye has no output, so unless he is going to stop Toney I don't think he can do much against someone as crafty, skilled and as lovely as James Toney.
Best way to describe Haye is imagine Demarco fighting a Martinez's (or Pascal) style of boxing. Low punch output ambush fighter who hits hard. It is effective but not really. A boxer who can pump the jab can and will negate the lateral movement and the jumping hooks. Moreover if you looked at his fight with Chisora he is breathing quite heavily by the end of that fight.
Toney who can knock you out in any round using a punishing in-fighting style or counter punching or fight on the back foot....yes I'm sorry Toney has too many tools, too many different ways to fight for him to have any trouble with Haye.
I can't see a win for Haye, for all the reasons listed above. Toney is better in every way, and I would argue he was quicker in his pomp.
Toney's chin was excellent, so Haye's puncher's chance is almost nil. Throw in Haye's stamina issues and his inability to counter or infight, I can't see how anybody can pick Haye. Haye on points? Nope. Haye knockout? Unlikely.
The Toney that beat Holyfield was magnificent. He never recovered from the injury he sustained after that fight.