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Junior dos Santos says he could knock out Wladimir Klitschko - ESPN
Really Junior??? Really???
Dos Santos says "Guys don't finish fights anymore".....I guess he's overlooking Wlad's 50 KO's from his 58 wins. Yet Dos Santos says he's sticking with MMA because "boxing is going down". If they decided to box today, tomorrow, or 10 years from now Wlad would win and he'd win by KO....sorry Junior, you're out of your element
MMA is utter shit.people go go on how technical it is and blah blah blah!9 times out ov 10 it's usually 2 guys rolling about on the deck cuddling which is not my cup ov tea! And the fights which r stand up usually involve 2 guys with there chins up in air looking for a lucky punch or kick.a know its huge in states but av been getting the feeling it's not got as much intrest in the uk recently?
"Mixed martial arts" is a misnomer in the first place, martial arts are all very specific forms of self defence of which many are aesthetically great to watch in themselves. The point of most is to minimize contact with the opponent and expend less energy than they do, i.e. wrestling is not a martial art. In reality the UFC crap is a cockfight, especially when it goes to the ground. If it were truly anything goes and as is the case in most real fights, you would be seeing low blows, eye gouges, kicks to a downed opponent etc. I'm not saying they should allow these things but it would at least be consistent with what they are trying to achieve.
My question is how is Dos Santos going to be all "All see holes/weaknesses" and he's never boxed before? Holes/weaknesses for what?? Kicks? Grapples, holds, etc??? Plus he said he's sticking with MMA so why even bring it up? If you want to talk trash back it up! The deal is Dos Santos thinks that he's Billy Bad Ass because he beat up Cain Velasquez...you know who Cain is in the world of boxing??? NOBODY that's who!
Junior Dos Santos, I had nothing against you before this dumbass interview but get real, in boxing Wlad would stomp a mudhole in your ass every day of the week & twice on Sundays.
One persons opinion make you not respect a whole sport? There's plenty of dick's in boxing but that doesn't make me not respect the sport. Open your eyes there's more to mixed martial arts than Junior Dos Santos.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Guys looking like that clown in your avatar is another reason not to like the "sport":-X;D
It comes across like "I could box if I WANTED to.....I just like MMA better is all"....childish bullshit.
I've had enough of the fucking MMA vs Boxing bullshit and honestly I'm ready to see some boxers beat the living fuck out of these MMA bastards. The MMA's "boxing ability" is on par with a Toughman competition, every last one of their champions even Silva would get torn up in a boxing ring....FACT
The last thing MMA needs is more uneducated fans so I guess it's a good job you don't like the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
And every boxer would get 'torn up' in a MMA fight FACT. Fucking hell talk about going in circles its obvious MMA fighters wont beat elite boxers in a boxing match and boxers wont beat elite MMA fighters in a MMA fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I don't care for the sport, I don't care for their brands, I don't care for their personalities, and that's what they sell. The UFC sells being a douchebag and certain people buy it......namely douchebags. Wladimir has been respectful of the sport and its stars, but Wlad's a top notch guy so you expect that sort of thing. I hadn't heard much of Dos Santos before but apparently he's a dickhead. If he thinks boxing is so damned easy then why not come and make some real money???Quote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfan
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Originally Posted by mattboxingfanThe last thing MMA needs is more uneducated fans so I guess it's a good job you don't like the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
As if it caters to any other sort of person:rolleyes:
JDS is one of the sports nicest guy's. Came up from nothing to being the UFC heavyweight champion. For his last fight he brought a poor Brazilian kid to the US to watch his fight simply because he asked him if he would.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI don't care for the sport, I don't care for their brands, I don't care for their personalities, and that's what they sell. The UFC sells being a douchebag and certain people buy it......namely douchebags. Wladimir has been respectful of the sport and its stars, but Wlad's a top notch guy so you expect that sort of thing. I hadn't heard much of Dos Santos before but apparently he's a dickhead. If he thinks boxing is so damned easy then why not come and make some real money???Quote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfan
If we are generalizing I don't particularly like red neck, racist, hillbilly's who love shooting there gun's and drinking moonshine! ;D
I'm fighting a losing battle here you guy's are too one track minded. Sorry guy's but have fun attacking that 'sport' MMA as if those cage fighters have skill right? :confused:
MMA is what it is. No an MMA fighter wont beat a boxer in a boxing match. That is pure stupidity. MMA is so blunt and sloppy boxing wise that any notable boxer likely knocks out most MMA fighters as they have no defense.
I don't care what people say, But I hated Pride. It's like a f'n bull fight. Stomping faces? Headbutting? Are you animals???
Modern UFC I actually watch regularly. It is OK but Boxing is a much more technically sound and for me much more entertaining sport nevertheless.
Unlike JDS we're not hating on MMA. I don't care for the sport personally because there are aspects of it that I disagree with. It's no different than a fan of baseball not liking cricket and vice versa. Yes there are greatly talented MMA fighters @mattboxingfan, nobody is denying that....but to disrespect Wladimir Klitschko, especially at this point in time is pretty fucking low.
There are MMA fighters that I like and respect: Machida, GSP, Anderson, Leonard Garcia, etc.
JDS is fucking clueless about boxing
I like MMA too, but love boxing.
Have trained boxing at an mma gym for 4 years now and many of them are talented, hard working guys.
Junior Dos Santos has always seemed a humble, nice, quiet man so this seems pretty out of character for him.
Would not surprise me a bit if Dana White is behind the scenes prodding Dos Santos to talk nonsense like this.
Junior could very well take Wlad down and KO him on the ground in an mma bout, but in a boxing match he would look like a fish out of water.
Truth be told he would find himself in the wide world of shit against top 20 heavyweights, I figure that John McDermott fat guy would knock him out in a round or two.
Dana white loves to cause issues.
Boxing can be beautiful when you think of how some fighters have thought over the years and how they made it into a pure unique science.
Got to respect MMA.
The gracie family and etc were amazing and so unbeatable but there straight to the floor game got a bit boring.
I didnt think MMA would have any of those special roy jones prime type characters until anderson silva/gsp came in to the scene.
Anderson beats any light heavy weight boxer and below in the octogon and would be quite competitive in the squared circle.
I love boxing and MMA. I don't understand what dos Santos thinks Klitschko is going to be doing when he "knocks" him "out".
If dos Santo thinks Klitschko would fight under MMA rules, he's a moron. If dos Santos wants to fight under boxing rules, he needs to get his head out of his behind.
Boxing and MMA are two different disciplines and boxing should stay like it is. I do not see boxing going away.
Boxing is pure, MMA is a mixture of everything, still developing, and I love them both.
I doubt Klitschko would ever get in the ring with dos Santos, he respects boxing too much, to be part of a sideshow.
I would take Audley Harrison to beat dos SantosQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
And he made sure everybody knew he brought the kid with him. He just did it for the publicity. Soon as he won he called for the kid. Had to make sure everybody got a picture of him and the poor, homelss kid. I doubt he even gives a fuck about the kidQuote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfanQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI don't care for the sport, I don't care for their brands, I don't care for their personalities, and that's what they sell. The UFC sells being a douchebag and certain people buy it......namely douchebags. Wladimir has been respectful of the sport and its stars, but Wlad's a top notch guy so you expect that sort of thing. I hadn't heard much of Dos Santos before but apparently he's a dickhead. If he thinks boxing is so damned easy then why not come and make some real money???Quote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfan
JDS is one of the sports nicest guy's. Came up from nothing to being the UFC heavyweight champion. For his last fight he brought a poor Brazilian kid to the US to watch his fight simply because he asked him if he would.
If we are generalizing I don't particularly like red neck, racist, hillbilly's who love shooting there gun's and drinking moonshine! ;D
haha Pretty cynical view there VD, but you could be right. I remember the whole homeless kid thing and it did feel like he was exploiting him a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI would take Audley Harrison to beat dos SantosQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
And he made sure everybody knew he brought the kid with him. He just did it for the publicity. Soon as he won he called for the kid. Had to make sure everybody got a picture of him and the poor, homelss kid. I doubt he even gives a fuck about the kidQuote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfanQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI don't care for the sport, I don't care for their brands, I don't care for their personalities, and that's what they sell. The UFC sells being a douchebag and certain people buy it......namely douchebags. Wladimir has been respectful of the sport and its stars, but Wlad's a top notch guy so you expect that sort of thing. I hadn't heard much of Dos Santos before but apparently he's a dickhead. If he thinks boxing is so damned easy then why not come and make some real money???Quote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfan
JDS is one of the sports nicest guy's. Came up from nothing to being the UFC heavyweight champion. For his last fight he brought a poor Brazilian kid to the US to watch his fight simply because he asked him if he would.
If we are generalizing I don't particularly like red neck, racist, hillbilly's who love shooting there gun's and drinking moonshine! ;D
Imp, you are right about everything you said except Anderson Silva being competitive with top light heavyweights in pure boxing.
Anderson Da Silva : Boxer
1-1 pro boxers typically don't fare well with top 10 contenders or world champs.
As far as mma goes though, Silva is a bit like the Roy Jones of his sport, along with Jon Jones of course.
Remember the Klits,have done kick boxing K1 sorry to say it a half decent would KO Santos, White isQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
shooting the shit.
Boxing is above all a sport. You knock the guy down, he gets an 8-count while you go stand in a neutral corner. In MMA, heaven forbid the ref trips and falls while a fighter is pounding on a prone, unconscious opponent's face. Besides... once they go to the floor and it becomes wrestling, I lose what little interest I had in the first place.
Here's the thing: the top fighters (be it in MMA or boxing) reach the top because they have a certain amount of drive and CONFIDENCE. You need to have ego to reach the top. Look at guys like James Toney, Evander Holyfield: they also think they'd whip the Klitschkos. It's ego, and it's against their nature to concede that another man would whip their ass.
JDS is as close to a "pure boxer" as MMA has right now. He doesn't box professionally, but he spars with a lot of pro and Olympic boxers. He knows boxing and he's no slouch. Would he beat either Klitschko or any other top 10 guy? Hell no. But I don't fault him for having that ego. The guy is young, he's the champ, he has people coming up to him every day telling him he'd kill anyone, so I can understand the ego thing. I don't think you should judge MMA on the opinion of one guy, because I can't remember anyone else (besides Nick Diaz) who even gave thought to fighting a world class pro boxer in a boxing match.
I'll say this to everyone who's bashing MMA here: if someone posted a clip or quote of someone saying "boxing is nothing but two brutes bashing each other's brains in", there would be a huge uproar here of people calling them ignorant, stupid, prejudice, ect. People would go into great detail about how boxing is the "sweet science" and the fighters are world class, well conditioned athletes executing a fine craft that took YEARS to perfect. People would post stories of boxers who are well educated and who give generously to charity and help their communities. They'd point out how regulated boxing is, with well trained referees and experienced fight doctors overseeing the bouts.
We'd all shit on that person because they're ignorant and we know better. So when you guys say similar things about MMA, you look equally as ignorant and idiotic.
It's cool if MMA isn't your thing. Perfectly understandable. But don't disrespect it, because those guys put the same work/hours in as boxers, and they take the same risks as boxers.
And know this: for every MMA guy who gets a big enough ego to where he thinks he can whip a boxing champ, there are about 10 boxers who have come out and said they could go out there and KTFO an MMA guy because they have better boxing.
Sorry for the rant, but as a lover of both sports someone needs to stand up for MMA every once and awhile.
The issue of a ref stopping a fight on time is a good point. Actually, MMA had a bad instance of that happen just last weekend. It was a dangerously bad stoppage and one of the worst I've seen in 15 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
To be fair though, these days MMA refs are (for the most part) well trained and always in position to jump in. I've even seen many instances where a fighter will stop punching on his own because he recognizes that his opponent is out.
MMA's system allows, on average, for the losing fight to recieve much less damage to the brain, as if he's rocked and the opponent pounces, the ref will stop the fight. In boxing, a guy who gets dropped and concussed is given a count of 10 to try to clear the cobwebs and get up to take more punches to the head. You also have to factor in the margin of error for the ref, who may allow a guy who is out on his feet to wade out like a sitting duck for more blows. Frenkel/Macaranelli is probably the best example I can think of that.
Also, you have instances where guys are out on their feet and/or held up by the ropes and take vicious, unnecessary poundings. Morrison/Mercer, Pernell/Hurtado (I think) and Paret/Griffith where Emile killed the guy.
I don't respect MMA because it is a grunt sport, it is what failed boxers do.
It has no finesse, technique, nothing. Why would you care about it unless you wear Y fronts and get a hard on over bizarre, male positioning, erotica stances?
Rubbish sport, like synchronised swimming. And wheelchair hockey.
MMA is a different sport altogether, everyone knows it, everyone understands it and hell a lot of boxing fans watch MMA. I don't particularly care for it, I watch every so often to appease my friends, but I know those guys that hold titles put the work in and they deserve respect....but that doesn't give Junior Dos Santos a free pass to take shots at a Champion like Wladimir who conducts himself with class and has nothing but respect for the MMA and those people that do it. Wlad just lost his trainer Manny Steward as well and so that also plays into my thinking JDS was in the wrong. I'd expect that kind of uncouth bullshit from Tito Ortiz, The Shamrocks, Nick & Nate Diaz, Brock Lesnar, or Jon Jones but these comments were out of left field for JDS and he should fucking know better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Boxers that have called out MMA fighters like James Toney and Ray Mercer have usually done so because their careers are over in boxing and they need money. Floyd criticized MMA but that's his deal, he's an asshole at times and it makes it hard to cheer for him. I think boxing fans in general have given UFC and MMA all the respect in the world, it's the Tapout wearing dickheads that think MMA is the greatest of all fighting ever and feel the need to talk down about boxing & boxers.
JDS is a nobody in boxing he will ALWAYS be a nobody in boxing so he should keep the sport and it's stars names out of his mouth. Here's hoping that jackass gets KO'd by the next fighter he faces.
Gayest sports ever. I fucking hate MMA.
lots of people think Ali was a douche with some of the things he said and did....Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI don't care for the sport, I don't care for their brands, I don't care for their personalities, and that's what they sell. The UFC sells being a douchebag and certain people buy it......namely douchebags. Wladimir has been respectful of the sport and its stars, but Wlad's a top notch guy so you expect that sort of thing. I hadn't heard much of Dos Santos before but apparently he's a dickhead. If he thinks boxing is so damned easy then why not come and make some real money???Quote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfan
just saying...
Hey look Lyle found some fellow MMA haters to beat off with. I must have missed the posts where you all railed against Floyd and other boxers when they said they could dismantle any MMA fighter in the Octagon. Top MMA fighters are world class athletes. Entertainment is subjective but skill and athleticism isn't. You are welcome not to like watching MMA but if you can't see that the top fighters in the UFC are great athletes and skilled then you are just ignorant and have some complex about your sport being better than another. Now regarding the classic "MMA fans are dewshs" and then spewing racial slurs about them; some of you have very selective memory about how boxing fans have acted at times. Comparing these sports is apple to oranges and stupid. I don't think JDS beats any decent HW boxer but I love watching you ignorant f*cks cry about it when he suggests he could.
Yes, and your point is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
VC, I never said anything racist about JDS, I just thought he could have been a bit classier. James Toney talked shit about MMA and got humbled in the octagon, but the deal is the guy was talking shit about EVERYBODY because he wanted to get a fight. Floyd Mayweather talked trash but nobody is saying that guy is a saint. I agree with you, they're two totally different sports, so why does JDS fall into this trap?
Let me be clear, people that wear Tapout are douchebags....that is a statement I stand by and will not retract.
I agree with this :S ufc seems to be marketed at errr well tits to be niceQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
it is an interesting sport though and the wrestling is very technical but I just find that part of it very boring a lot of time, so I don't watch it much... I do have respect for it as a sport and for the skill in wrestling, ju jitsu and judo and so on... I did judo before and it's not easy.
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Originally Posted by BeanflickerThe issue of a ref stopping a fight on time is a good point. Actually, MMA had a bad instance of that happen just last weekend. It was a dangerously bad stoppage and one of the worst I've seen in 15 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
To be fair though, these days MMA refs are (for the most part) well trained and always in position to jump in. I've even seen many instances where a fighter will stop punching on his own because he recognizes that his opponent is out.
MMA's system allows, on average, for the losing fight to recieve much less damage to the brain, as if he's rocked and the opponent pounces, the ref will stop the fight. In boxing, a guy who gets dropped and concussed is given a count of 10 to try to clear the cobwebs and get up to take more punches to the head. You also have to factor in the margin of error for the ref, who may allow a guy who is out on his feet to wade out like a sitting duck for more blows. Frenkel/Macaranelli is probably the best example I can think of that.
Also, you have instances where guys are out on their feet and/or held up by the ropes and take vicious, unnecessary poundings. Morrison/Mercer, Pernell/Hurtado (I think) and Paret/Griffith where Emile killed the guy.
Clearly it's a matter of personal preference. Some like boxing and not MMA. Others like MMA and not boxing. And still others like both. My biggest beef about the MMA is the rules. Any "sport" that allows a fighter to pound on a prone opponent loses big-time points with me. Your points on the boxers who have died or suffered permanent brain damage is well taken. But the fact remains that boxing has gone to great lengths over the years to try and make the sport safer. Speaking of which... boxing is an ancient sport. One which has passed the test of time. People have spoken of the demise of boxing... but it always survives. It's a grand, old sport. MMA, on the other hand, is new. It has it's strong fanbase... but it's still new. Will MMA still be popular decades from now? Will it become a grand old sport, like boxing is?
Another thing. No one is claiming that MMA fighters are not tremendous athletes, as I saw someone post somewhere in the thread. Of course they're tremendous athletes. And that is to be admired. But as with all sport, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Frankly, I find it impossible to get too excited about an MMA match, because I just don't find it to be an appealing sport.
Maybe if the rules were tweaked... I don't know. I'm trying to be objective here. The other thing I don't like is the grappling on the floor. But then... I'm not too fond of Olympic style wrestling either. Again, it's a matter of personal preference.
Give me a good boxing match over an MMA fight any day of the week.
Tito,
I'm not suggesting that boxing is on it's last leg but I work everyday with 18-24 year old males. Very few of them can name more than a couple champion boxers nor could they tell you when the next major fight is going to be. Just about all of them can tell you when the next UFC is and multiple champions. Even my Hispanic Soldiers watch more MMA than boxing. At least in the US boxing is losing the marketing fight for the young male demographic. Only time will tell how this plays out in the future.
Not a big fan. To much ground game. Reminds me of a street fight to be honest but in a cage. Never really understood the draw. Brutality I guess. We all want to slow down when driving past an accident scene.
The only combat sport I enjoy other then boxing is K-1.
I don't know. I've come off my soapbox a bit when it comes to mma, although White is in fact an utter shitbag with a little man complex. If I was a fighter within I'd be more concerned with the way he seems hell bent to canabalize other 'groups' (?) and huddle under one tent that is a Ufc.
If its a good fight...its a good fight. I like good fights and the individuality of sport. Shit I watch Muay Thai and tennis likewise ha. Boxing as a sport and craft reigns supreme for me and I watch literally every card I find. Its not all bar room brawls and frankly any idiot can swing for the fences and bark about caving in heads. It burns me when you have fans booing and belching and its only a round or two in. Boxing is indeed a science..you see a boxer thinking. Both have crap matches and politics, Mma is here to stay though and frankly its funny to sit back and watch it in its infancy on a massive media stage and suffer some of the same infaction bullshit and ups and downs Boxing did and will continue to see. People who think mma will "take over" are sniffing glue. Its a babe in the woods compared.
I like both boxing and mma. I hate kung fu or actors and naive movie fans.
My stance on winning a fight is knowing; boxing, kick boxing, wrestling and jiu jitsu - which is basically mma.
People say mma is boring because of the ground wrestling its like saying pure boxers are boring. Other dislike the ground game but imo those naive people don't realize most real fights will end up on the ground struggling for a dominant position.
I think those who dislike mma scares them, never been in a real fight, kung fu movie naive fanatics.
UFC is actually very civil compare to mma's roots but the truth still remains - BOXING IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN MMA!!!!!!!!!! Casualty difference is about 12,235,245 - 1 BOXING!!!!
I agree 100%. I'm actually a big JDS fan because he uses boxing in MMA better than anyone, but him thinking that he could beat a Klitschko in boxing is absolutely rediculous. He'd get handled by even fringe contenders like Arreola.Quote:
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I'm totally cool with personal preference. I don't fault people who don't find MMA appealing. I realize that MMA goes against a lot of long-standing notions of what a fight is, IE hitting people while they are down. I've been a fan of MMA for 11 years, and I STILL find a lot of the ground fighting boring.
My post was mainly aimed at the people here who disrespect the hard work, dedication, technique and skill that MMA requires. And it's a two-way street: I post on MMA forums too, and I often have to defend boxing from MMA fans who say boxing is dead, or that it's two guys fighting with pillows on their hands.
I just kinda wish everyone could chill out and enjoy the fights. A good fight is a good fight, at least to me.
In hindsight, yes I could have worded the thread title differently and that's my fault, I take responsibility for it. I never meant to make this a hate thread about MMA just because we've had those threads before and everyone has their own opinion when it comes to what they like and all (as well they should).
I think as fans of Boxing & MMA we should hold accountable the fighters who take the time to diss either sport because let's be honest it's highly unlikely that a boxer will win in MMA or an MMA fighter will win in boxing, we've seen any number of examples that support that idea. It's no different than an NBA player calling out an NFL player, 2 different sports, 2 different types of training, different focuses, different goals, etc.
JDS is a solid MMA fighter, he's the heavyweight champion and that's nothing to scoff at. He perhaps thought a bit too highly of himself when making the comments in question, but it's no reason to hate the entire sport just because he had one slip up in an interview and I wasn't suggesting that.
The point is JDS should not have said what he did, and I expect 100% of people agree with that assessment whether they like MMA more or boxing more, JDS knows he'd never hold a candle to Wladimir Klitschko's boxing ability.
The main thing I hate about JDS's statement is the fact that he's making a claim that can NEVER be backed up, because he's under contract to the UFC and would never be allowed to box Klitschko (it's not good for the UFC to have it's HW champ take a beating). If he was saying this to hype a potential fight, I wouldn't mind.
To the people who never seen JDS though, he's got the best boxing in MMA IMO. He has great range, works well behind a stiff jab, and has quick and heavy hands. He's even got praise from boxing champs. I know he spars with olympic boxers in Brazil, maybe he should visit a Klitschko camp and see how he stacks up in sparring. I think he would probably change his tune.
“JDS is a very strong fighter,deserves to be world champ,he jabs like my brother Wladimir,so is learning from the best" - Vitali Klitschko
"“Do ur thang tonight @junior _cigano Long may you Reign The King of the Big Boys! Your boxing skills are World class! Big KO!”" - David Haye on Twitter
If you're a boxing fan, JDS should be your favorite MMA guy, because he's KILLING guys with pure boxing. For a long time, people said boxing was obsolete on it's own, that if you didn't throw kicks you'd get destroyed in MMA. Junior destroys guys with boxing. Junior shows what boxing can do in MMA.