Wladimir Klitschko vs Maruisz Wach Nov. 10

Well fellas this fight is coming up and it's the first time in a long time where Wladimir Klitschko enters a fight with some adversity in his camp. The loss of Manny Steward who has been in Wlad's corner for 8 years will no doubt loom large over this fight. Jonathan Banks, a solid fighter in his own right has taken up the job of trying to fill Manny's shoes in the corner for this fight. The loss of Manny's presence and guidance in the corner is not the only thing that casts shadows over this fight, at 6'8 about 250 the undefeated Maruisz Wach casts a large shadow in his own right. Wach is one of the very few fighters (if not the only) Wladimir will step in the ring with that is bigger or the same size as the hulking Ukrainian. Wach has not tasted defeat in the professional ranks and will no doubt have victory on his mind come Saturday. Wach is big, athletic, but has yet to be tested by a proven power puncher. The biggest wins on the Giant Pole's record are: Tye Fields, Jason Gavern, Kevin McBride, Julius Long, and Jonathan Haggler. Those fighters leave a lot to be desired considering the closest Wladimir has been to any of those fighters is using Haggler as a sparring partner to prepare for the unification bout with Chagaev.

Although there is a lot to worry over with this fight, I believe it is still very hard to find Wach in the driver's seat. Wladimir Klitschko has an excellent history of boxing and should be able to cope without the skills of Manny Steward whom he will no doubt dedicate the fight to. Wladimir has been at the top of the heavyweight division for nearly a decade and no doubt has the experience, skills, and power to chop down this latest opponent.

My prediction, Wladimir Klitschko wins by KO in round 5

Anyone still boxing in the 4th round against Tye Fields is utter toilet. Fact.

My predcition, Wladimir Klitschko wins by UD.

Klitschko TKO 10

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Anyone still boxing in the 4th round against Tye Fields is utter toilet. Fact.

My predcition, Wladimir Klitschko wins by UD.

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Julius Long lasted 7 with him....plus given the lack of big bangers Wach has been in with I think we might see a Wlad vs Ray Austin kind of ending

klıt ko 2

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Well fellas this fight is coming up and it's the first time in a long time where Wladimir Klitschko enters a fight with some adversity in his camp. The loss of Manny Steward who has been in Wlad's corner for 8 years will no doubt loom large over this fight. Jonathan Banks, a solid fighter in his own right has taken up the job of trying to fill Manny's shoes in the corner for this fight. The loss of Manny's presence and guidance in the corner is not the only thing that casts shadows over this fight, at 6'8 about 250 the undefeated Maruisz Wach casts a large shadow in his own right. Wach is one of the very few fighters (if not the only) Wladimir will step in the ring with that is bigger or the same size as the hulking Ukrainian. Wach has not tasted defeat in the professional ranks and will no doubt have victory on his mind come Saturday. Wach is big, athletic, but has yet to be tested by a proven power puncher. The biggest wins on the Giant Pole's record are: Tye Fields, Jason Gavern, Kevin McBride, Julius Long, and Jonathan Haggler. Those fighters leave a lot to be desired considering the closest Wladimir has been to any of those fighters is using Haggler as a sparring partner to prepare for the unification bout with Chagaev.

Although there is a lot to worry over with this fight, I believe it is still very hard to find Wach in the driver's seat. Wladimir Klitschko has an excellent history of boxing and should be able to cope without the skills of Manny Steward whom he will no doubt dedicate the fight to. Wladimir has been at the top of the heavyweight division for nearly a decade and no doubt has the experience, skills, and power to chop down this latest opponent.

My prediction, Wladimir Klitschko wins by KO in round 5

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I'll say it goes a bit longer, a 9th round TKO, because Wlady won't have Manny telling him: "you're stinking the place up, let your hands go and knock this mother-fucker out". ;)

Also from Finland another afternoon fight in the States Saturday, Robert Helenius vs. Sherman Williams, 12 rounds, heavyweights. Sherman should end up being cannon fodder for Helenius, who wins by 7th round KO. (maybe earlier.)

Seriously how could he miss that chin? Throw a head shot and you'll connect.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...hko-wach12.jpg

People underestimate Wach. He's never been down as an amateur or a pro, and he fought all the best amateur HWs. Wladimir will not stop him in an early round, although he'll give him a pizza face by the late rounds I'm sure.

Prediction: Wladimir will win by late round TKO or wide decision on Saturday.

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Seriously how could he miss that chin? Throw a head shot and you'll connect.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...hko-wach12.jpg

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Finally Wlady fights someone uglier then he is. :rolleyes:

Good pic @IamInuit - Wlady looks irate, but we all know what a pussy he really is. ;)

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People underestimate Wach. He's never been down as an amateur or a pro, and he fought all the best amateur HWs. Wladimir will not stop him in an early round, although he'll give him a pizza face by the late rounds I'm sure.

Prediction: Wladimir will win by late round TKO or wide decision on Saturday.

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I'd never heard of Wach here in the States until Wlady agreed to fight him, hopefully we'll get a competitive scrap.

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Seriously how could he miss that chin? Throw a head shot and you'll connect.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...hko-wach12.jpg

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Finally Wlady fights someone uglier then he is. :rolleyes:

Good pic @IamInuit - Wlady looks irate, but we all know what a pussy he really is. ;)

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Bit of a different demeanor.

Photos: Klitschko Looks Up at Big Wach, Tension Erupts - Boxing News

He fights for Manny here.

I'll be honest, the first thing that shot made me flashback to ;D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8jm6IDC1LM

I don't know Wach as a pro. On paper lets keep it real...not to much to write home about, at all. This one seems to have a sell point of him being 'big'. Well thats fine and dandy...but can he fight on this stage he has yet to even approach and sponge punches in two way traffic from a pure sniper? I say he gets owned...badly. He has size, has oppurtunity and may very well have some talent waiting to be seen on a big stage but frankly I think Wlads biggest concern is he himself becoming 'bored' over his last few fights and running into a punch. Its all been his way as of late and the best thing for all of us that he asserts for a ko here.

Apparently Mariusz Wach is closely related to former McDonald's spokesman Mac Tonight http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb...wnpxo1_500.png


Wach only had a 90 fight amateur career and given the strength (or lack there of) of his opponents I just don't see him as anywhere near ready for this match. I like the matchup because I think Wach is a protected fighter and I want him to get a good welcome to big time boxing. I think Wladimir will be very driven to get a good solid KO, I just hope he doesn't press too hard for it and gas out. I think Wach is there to be hit, Wach doesn't have big 1 punch power as his record will show, and I just think the guy is hopelessly outgunned.

Wladimir will win this EASILY

Maruisz Wach walks into a bar and orders a couple shots of polish vodka, the bartender brings him the drink and says: "Hey, why the long face?"

From the few videos ive seen of Wach's fights, he looks slow and awkward in comparrison to Wlad. I think Wach will get beaten to the punch from round 1 till as long as he's able to take Wlad's punishment. I think Wlad gets him around Rd 8.

The entire fight vs Fields
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IVM-1G-PtI

You'll notice, wach moves well, but he pushes his punches all the time and his posture is odd, he fights in a slouch. He has very long arms and a very skinny frame. There's not much muscle there and I don't see him as a dynamic fighter. Wach seems to let his opponents dictate the pace of the fight, he is burning up lots of energy bouncing around like he does. Wach likes to move away from power, even that of Tye Fields. He puts himself in bad situations by moving into the ropes and having a hard time circling out. Fields' problem in that fight was he never moved his upper body, he didn't make Wach pay for his mistakes, and he was only looking for the 1 big punch....Wach will not have that luxury vs Wladimir who will make Wach pay with both hands. I want to see Wach take a flush shot from Wlad and see how he reacts to it...I'm betting it doesn't go well for him.

I've just seen pics of the press conference, Wlad looks pretty focused. I suspect Wlad may come in heavy, if he's over 245 he's going to make quick work of Wach

You seem to be doing a better job than hyping up this fight than the media as its really hard work to get people motivated for wlads fights, no matter how nice he comes across.

I would rather see wlad fight tyson fury as that would be fun while it lasts to see sticky legs fury bringing drama to the press conferences.

Obviously wlad has alot of emotional and mental issues to deal with in loosing manny but i have to say in all of his fights he comes in tremendous shape and that is the golden nugget that will see him get the decison.

Wach looks soooo clumsy in that video!
Is this the best this world of ours is producing?
i know he might be green but fcuk me, throw deontay wilder in there with wlad...hes his sparring partner and might get alittle success like lou del valle got when fighting roy jones.

Interesting article from BoxingInsider.com - Boxing News - Boxing Results - Boxing News Leader.

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Can Mariusz Wach End The Klitschko Era of Dominance?

by Johnny Walker

When world heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko enters the ring this Saturday in Hamburg, Germany, he’ll be trying to continue one of the most impressive win streaks in boxing history.

Klitschko hasn’t lost in over eight years. Yes, you read that correctly: eight years. He last tasted defeat in a strange loss to Lamon Brewster in 2004.

While his critics (most of them based in the United States and Britain) may try to detract from that accomplishment by claiming the heavyweight division has been “weak” during this period, that criticism has to be seen as mostly sour grapes from people who wouldn’t even mention the topic if Wlad were an American or a Brit. Many other champions also boxed in relatively weak eras, from Rocky Marciano to Larry Holmes, and Wladimir can only fight those available and willing to get in the ring with him.

The fact is, Wladimir Klitschko (along with his equally superior older brother Vitali) is now one of the most dominant heavyweight champions in the history of boxing.

This last fact means that many people now routinely discount the chances of Klitschko opponents, and while most often fighters avoid the Klitschkos and not the other way around, Wlad’s last two over-the-hill opponents–Jean Marc Mormeck and Tony Thompson–were indeed easy to dismiss before they ever stepped into the ring (the latter for the second time) with the champion. And they quickly lived down to those reduced expectations.

A perusal of Internet boxing forums thus reveals a deep cynicism toward Klitschko’s next opponent, the undefeated Polish giant Mariusz “The Viking” Wach. The great majority of boxing fans seem to feel that Wach is no different from the Mormecks and the Thompsons, just another body there to make up the numbers on Wlad’s impressive run of wins.

But at the risk of being proven disastrously wrong on Saturday, I beg to differ.

Something feels different this time out. For one thing, Wach is not a spent veteran looking for one last payday like Wlad’s last two opponents. Wach has not yet lost a fight, and has never been put on the canvas. The giant Pole thus comes into this fight with a totally different mentality than the majority of Wladimir’s opponents during his win streak, the Rahmans, Mormecks and Thompsons of the boxing world.

Wach is coming into the ring in Hamburg not to just get paid, but to WIN. And to win not only for himself, but for his country. The patriotic Wach badly wants to deliver the heavyweight title to the always dedicated Polish boxing fans, something that his countryman Tomasz Adamek was unable to do when he was humiliated in Wroclaw against Vitali Klitschko last year.

To this end, Wach–who humorously described his former physique as akin to a “soft dumpling”–has gotten himself into fantastic shape for this fight. His sculpted body is now something more accurately compared to his always in-shape opponent than to a dumpling. And at a towering 6’8″ tall, Wach is the first opponent in the champion’s career that he will be looking up to in the ring.

Physically, then, it is unlikely that Wach is going to be initially intimidated by Wladimir Klitschko.

But boxing is as much mental as it is physical, perhaps more-so. And in that area, Klitschko, whether he wants to admit it or not, enters into this fight with a giant question mark hovering over his head. Namely, how will he handle a moment of extreme adversity in the ring without the man who rescued his career, without the man who believed in him even when his own brother was telling him to quit, in the corner to calm him down?

The absence of the recently deceased boxing icon Emanuel Steward in the Klitschko corner this time in Hamburg definitely changes the equation here, and the Wach camp knows it. Wach will look to try and rattle the champion early to see how he responds. After eight years of wins, it’s easy to forget the mental fragility that Wladimir sometimes displayed before Steward carefully reshaped his psyche. Will Steward’s absence spur the champion on, or will it cause him to revert to past behavior and start panicking when Wach lands something of significance?

Wach himself is evincing an attitude of steely determination in the lead-up to this fight: he reacted coolly when the champion uncharacteristically engaged in a lengthy, menacing stare-down in the final presser for the fight. So far, it is Wladimir who seems to be outside of his comfort zone, perhaps acting over-amped because he knows he has something to prove this time without Steward at his side. This extra level of aggression could play out in a negative manner in the ring if it leads to Klitschko abandoning the methodical and controlled style that worked so well for him under Steward.

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If Wlad comes out guns a blazin' like he did way back vs Ray Mercer then Wach won't last 2 rounds. Wlad is so good right now he could fight that way and really only get trouble from Arreola(chin) and Haye (speed & power). It might be good to see Wlad get aggressive vs Wach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3aCn79iBxAs

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If Wlad comes out guns a blazin' like he did way back vs Ray Mercer then Wach won't last 2 rounds. Wlad is so good right now he could fight that way and really only get trouble from Arreola(chin) and Haye (speed & power). It might be good to see Wlad get aggressive vs Wach.

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I'm not sure if your making a better case of Wlads known superiority or the fact that as far as class and merit a Wach has no business fighting for a title in the first place ;D Just breaking balls bud, but seriously...I've seen better mobility from a house being moved on a flat bed truck. I think he'll pick him to pieces if its in his mental make up that night. Nothing to gain, everything to lose from here. Rinse and repeat :-X

Wach's trainer has lost his fucking mind...I suggest everyone watch his interview on fightnews.com it is ridiculous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPCT2jTCX7g

That's the interview I was talking about, it's ridiculous really.

I could only listen to about a minute of De Leon's blither.

I figure Wlad will punish Wach - jab x 15 - then a left hook or a big right hand, then repeat, for 7 or 8 rounds before lowering the boom on the bruised, battered, and bewildered polish bigfoot in the 9th round.

Wlad has chosen Johnathan Banks for his trainer.

It is an unusual choice but as long as Wlad is happy and it continues the Steward legacy in some form then good luck to him.

This fight is on ESPN 10pm Saturday.

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Wlad has chosen Johnathan Banks for his trainer.

It is an unusual choice but as long as Wlad is happy and it continues the Steward legacy in some form then good luck to him.

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Wlad has known Banks for quite a while also Vitali and James Ali Bashir will be in his corner and Stitch Duran as well so I think they should be ok although everyone will miss Manny's presence.

JAMES ALI BASHIR: "WLADIMIR IS IN SUPERB SHAPE…HE'S GOING TO STOP WACH EARLY" || FIGHTHYPE

JAB brings up a good point, Wlad did lose his father recently and that did not seem to affect his performance in the ring, the only worry I have with Wlad is that he tries too hard for the early KO and leaves himself open, but as smart as he is I believe everything JAB says. (JAB = James Ali Bashir just so you know)

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This fight is on ESPN 10pm Saturday.

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That means the card will start @ somewhere around 5:00 PM ET here in the States. :cool:

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Wlad has chosen Johnathan Banks for his trainer.

It is an unusual choice but as long as Wlad is happy and it continues the Steward legacy in some form then good luck to him.

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It really is interesting. Banks will remain active and has a major oppurtunity to unhinge a solid prospect in Mitchell the following week, all the while training -the- man in the division ???

Has a world Champion ever fought his head trainer :cwm13:

Remember Howard Eastman chose McCracken as his trainer after he had beaten him. Robert has done well for himself with Froch so it may look like an odd choice at the time but it turns out to be a good move in the long run.

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Remember Howard Eastman chose McCracken as his trainer after he had beaten him. Robert has done well for himself with Froch so it may look like an odd choice at the time but it turns out to be a good move in the long run.

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No kidding? I didn't know that. The circumstances here are tragic, but it is an interesting story line. There will never be another Manny but hope it goes well.

fao the canadians.... is this on tv here, I am a noob in canada, I know it is on epix in the usa, is this a tv channel in the great white north too ? or is it on another channel ?

Maybe wealth TV? Im not sure bud but back in Canada my boxing viewing was limited, sure I had free healthcare and a better education but no boxing :P

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Maybe wealth TV? Im not sure bud but back in Canada my boxing viewing was limited, sure I had free healthcare and a better education but no boxing :P

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I tihnk i heard of wealth tv, i will investigate that, thanks pal

Weigh in results for Saturday's big match

Wladimir Klitschko: 246.9

Mariusz Wach: 249.1


Weights From Hamburg: Klitschko 246.9, Wach 249.1 - Boxing News

I believe this will be stopped in the 5-7 round period. Wlad has had 3 fights where he has weighed in over 245 and each time he has won by KO (Ray Austin, Sam Peter II, and Tony Thompson II). Austin was stopped in 2, Peter in 10, and Thompson in 6...I'm not sure how well Wach takes a punch but we're going to find out come Saturday.

Will Wladimir be the first to knock the durable Wach down?

Wlad was the first to floor Shultz, Barrett, Brock, Brewster, Chagaev, Thompson, and Chambers, among others.

Wlad has taken a lot of "0"s in his career: Brock, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Shaheed, Castillo, Vujecic, and Peter. Will Wach lose his "0" today?

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This fight is on ESPN 10pm Saturday.

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That means the card will start @ somewhere around 5:00 PM ET here in the States. :cool:

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:rasta: This card will start somewhere around 5:00 PM ET here in the States, and 10:00 PM in the UK/Germany.

At Hamburg, Germany (Epix and EpixHD.com): Wladimir Klitschko vs. Mariusz Wach, 12 rounds, for Klitschko's IBF/WBO/WBA heavyweight title; Rafal Jackiewicz vs. Rick Godding, 10 rounds, welterweights; Rakhim Chakhiev vs. Andres Taylor.

Rakhim Chakhkiev beat Andres Taylor by wide UD.

Rafal Jackiewicz - Rick Godding on Russian TV 2 right now.

Klitschko - Wach is next.