Don't get to see him in the states. Is he for real or another Audley Harrison?
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Don't get to see him in the states. Is he for real or another Audley Harrison?
Hes a lot better than fraudley no doubt. Fury has talent hes young but still proving himself, hes 24 and so far looked decent. We will know within the year if hes good enough to contend at the top. I thought Boystov would be a good test for him, its a shame that the fight has fell through. I dont know who he is fighting next but if he shows up in shape like last time he will be a test for any heavyweight.
Average. The Audley Harrison that came off the games with gold would have destroyed him.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
Cant see why if he is so good that he would cancel the Boystov fight unless Price is afoot.
Another question. Has he been tested against anybody worth a shit?
Look at Mike Tysons first 20 fights. Fury's stacks up.
He looks like absolute dog shit, have no idea what some people are watching to rate this guy highly. At the same stage of his career Harrison had a hundred times more potential, he was far more talented and had skills. Audleys problems were upstairs, and that wasn't clear until he had fought a few decent opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
I'll grant you Fury seems determined and fairly tough, but that's about it. As awful as the heavyweight division is, I reckon even outside of the Klitschkos there are a good seven or eight guys who would completely wreck him.
I think at 24 he has a lot to still learn about the game, a lot of other heavyweights are better than fury but hes still got to get more experience and fight somebody who is worth fighting. Why does he look so shit? I think hes had some decent knockouts. As I said before I think in a years time we can have a better picture of Fury. He might be all or nothing, who knows. Only time will tell though and he has a lot of that, so I think people should stop hating and just see how hes progresses through the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingHe looks like absolute dog shit, have no idea what some people are watching to rate this guy highly. At the same stage of his career Harrison had a hundred times more potential, he was far more talented and had skills. Audleys problems were upstairs, and that wasn't clear until he had fought a few decent opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
I'll grant you Fury seems determined and fairly tough, but that's about it. As awful as the heavyweight division is, I reckon even outside of the Klitschkos there are a good seven or eight guys who would completely wreck him.
I just can't see him tightening up enough to actually be world class. Crap as it may be, it's still the heavyweight division, you can't be a slow, plodding arm puncher without real KO power and expect to have all that much of a career. David Price would stomp a whole in him, I wouldn't give him much of a shot at all against the few promising American HW's out there.
Please explain what being 24 and learning has got to do with the fact he has no power at top level he is an arm puncher ,he has been down against a small ,light punching D level fighter.
A young Bruno or Gary Mason would have put him away in a round , id actually love to see him get a fight with one of the brothers grim , as id love him to get his mouth shut once and for all.
To sum up he is a circus act , sure he is British level , but in the HW division you need power and he doesnt have it , he has reached his level , thats why now they are carefully matching him .
well im pretty sure Boystov has pulled out of a fury fight saying he wouldnt be in shape? Thats a bad excuse, I think your stupid if you think hes reached his level and you will see it time that fury has the tools to do well at heavyweight. I think whoever he fights next will show that hes ready to take on the better heavyweights in 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
As av said before fury is really shit! And an accident waiting to happen. Really would like to see him in with price and believe price would take him out within 2 rounds.to be honest thow fury will be knocked out cold long before he stops running from David price.a think fury is a fine example ov how bad heavy weight boxing is just now
Fury will indeed take on better HW'S and when he fights a top level fighter he will leave the ring a loser.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddonwell im pretty sure Boystov has pulled out of a fury fight saying he wouldnt be in shape? Thats a bad excuse, I think your stupid if you think hes reached his level and you will see it time that fury has the tools to do well at heavyweight. I think whoever he fights next will show that hes ready to take on the better heavyweights in 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
One thing i am far from stupid son , but lets wait to see who is right.
Or are you telling me im wrong and Fury has big power at world level and he has a world class chin , ? is that what you are telling us all ?
I look forward to seeing Fury get sparked as soon as he fights a top level heavyweight. I just hope he doesn't sneak his way to a title fight against a Klitschko he doesn't deserve the payday.
Really hoping that the Price fight get's made in 2013!
Yes time will tell as Fury will get more experience and find better fighters gradually. I have no doubts Fury would have gone through with the Boystov fight and lets hope he does get matched well because I think he can have a good year next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlFury will indeed take on better HW'S and when he fights a top level fighter he will leave the ring a loser.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddonwell im pretty sure Boystov has pulled out of a fury fight saying he wouldnt be in shape? Thats a bad excuse, I think your stupid if you think hes reached his level and you will see it time that fury has the tools to do well at heavyweight. I think whoever he fights next will show that hes ready to take on the better heavyweights in 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
One thing i am far from stupid son , but lets wait to see who is right.
Well, I must be stupid then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddonwell im pretty sure Boystov has pulled out of a fury fight saying he wouldnt be in shape? Thats a bad excuse, I think your stupid if you think hes reached his level and you will see it time that fury has the tools to do well at heavyweight. I think whoever he fights next will show that hes ready to take on the better heavyweights in 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Fury lacks power, which is critical for a heavyweight unless you have speed and excellent technique, which he doesn't.
His punch resistance is decent, but not good enough when you consider fighters are going to walk through his punches to get theirs off.
Maybe he will win a belt in the pisspoor heavyweight division post Klitchsko, but in spite of people carping on about his age and lack of experience you need to look at past heavies. Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe, Wlad, Ali, Frazier, and Foreman who were all world champions at around his age. Even late developers like Lewis and Holmes looked sensational at Fury's age.
Put it another way, what decent heavies have looked so limited in their first four or five years as a pro?
I dont think its a piss poor division, I personally enjoy heavyweight boxing and think when both the Klitshckos go the division will get more competitive. There arent as many stand out names like the ones you have mentioned, but I look at the current crop of heavyweights that are around, match them all of them up and I think there are some decent fights to be seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenWell, I must be stupid then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddonwell im pretty sure Boystov has pulled out of a fury fight saying he wouldnt be in shape? Thats a bad excuse, I think your stupid if you think hes reached his level and you will see it time that fury has the tools to do well at heavyweight. I think whoever he fights next will show that hes ready to take on the better heavyweights in 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Fury lacks power, which is critical for a heavyweight unless you have speed and excellent technique, which he doesn't.
His punch resistance is decent, but not good enough when you consider fighters are going to walk through his punches to get theirs off.
Maybe he will win a belt in the pisspoor heavyweight division post Klitchsko, but in spite of people carping on about his age and lack of experience you need to look at past heavies. Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe, Wlad, Ali, Frazier, and Foreman who were all world champions at around his age. Even late developers like Lewis and Holmes looked sensational at Fury's age.
Put it another way, what decent heavies have looked so limited in their first four or five years as a pro?
Fury's not half as bad as some of you claim.
Why is he a powderpuff puncher? 14 KO's in 19 fights. Only Chisora was a 12 round affair and he went the distance with Vitali. The other fights that went the distance were 6 and 8 rounders. For sure he's not George Foreman but he's clearly not a powderpuff hitter either.
Also his form already stacks up with fellow "world" rated fighters.
Chisora, Firtha and Maddalone have fought Vitali, Povetkin, Adamek, Mormeck and Boystov in recent times. Fury beat them as comfortably as the "world" level guys did. So he's not that far off the top level.
Watch his fights! He throws a lot of leather, but most fighters brush it off. They get stopped by a sheer volume of punches coming through their lousy defence, or they are gassing because they are in awful shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Vitali handled a fit Chisora much easier than Fury handled a fat Chisora, and let's not pretend Boytsov and and Mormeck have any credibility at heavyweight.
Mormeck just fought Wlad. Boytsov is the man everyone was saying would kill Fury. Yeah Vitali beat Chisora better than Fury but Vitali is one of the worlds best and Fury is apparently utter toilet. Both wide UD's.
I'm just pointing out collateral formlines. He may very well be as shit as you all think, however, the form book doesn't say that yet.
Fury is already mixing in similar company to other "world" champs and "world" title challengers.
I just see Fury as being an arm puncher , he also hasnt faced a HUGE puncher and has be floored already , wait and see but i just dont buy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Fury being a top ten ranked heavyweight says far more about the state of the heavyweight division than it does about Fury's ability. This is a division with such a gulf between the top two and the rest that a man many believe to be the divisional number three (Adamek) was so easily defeated by the number two it bordered on embarrassing. Fury can be ranked number three, four or five, I don't care. He will never bridge that gulf in class that the brothers K have created.
Maybe he deserves to be there, maybe he doesn't, but I've been watching heavyweight boxing for nigh on 30 years and he doesn't impress me.
Agree with this fully, I think Fury should be given a bit more time, hes still unproven in his own right and time will tell whether he can make an impact or not. He might be all hype and could get found out, he might go onto good things. Who knows so far? All I know is i enjoy his character and think hes really good for British boxing. I know Price deep down resepects Fury as a fighter and cant wait for the day the fight finally happens, albeit we might be waiting for a while!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
However shit everyone says Fury is, there's hardly a top ten guy, barring the Klits, who stand head-and-shoulders above him on form. He's got no power, but stopped guys that top ten ranked fighters have gone the distance with. He's beat a man that became a "credible" challenger to Vitali.
Half the current top ten have struggled with the likes of Skelton and Sprott. Can't get rid of Kevin McBride. Had a "lucky" decision over Chisora. Had life-and-death with wild cruiserweights.
If Fury is shit then so is everyone else.
I wouldn't be surprised if he beat any top fighter barring Wlad, Vitali, Haye or Mike Perez.
David Price has much more potiental he does everything pretty much better than Tyson Fury.
It takes a lot to be a top heavyweight. You have to be skilled but you also have to be a little lucky as well. Tyson Fury isn't a guy I've followed very closely, but I can tell you he's been skilled &/or lucky enough to get where he is right now.
People will always think "What if Fury fought _____?" because he's young, he's seen as still developing, he's "untested" according to some, but hey we as boxing fans do that with every fighter. We want to see how a fighter copes with adversity, different styles, etc.
I think Fury is more talented than most give him credit for being. He does throw a lot of punches, I dont' think he's the finished product by any stretch of the immagination and heck he may never be, he has to keep growing and honing his game to get there. There's something not quite techincal about his skill that adds a bit of excitement to his fights, but that will be dangerous in the upper levels of heavyweight boxing where "one punch can end a fight". Tyson Fury has decent enough skill and great size so those two on their own should take him places in the division, but how does he fair vs a puncher? What happens when Fury NEEDS a late KO to win? Can Fury keep from gassing out vs durable opponents? These are the questions I have and I will have until he answers them.
Will Fury ever hold a major title? It depends on various things: How long does Wlad stay in the division, who does he fight for the title, etc? Right now I would love to see Fury vs Stiverne because Bermane can punch and we need to see how Fury handles a true tested power puncher who can last 12. Heck I wouldn't mind seeing Fury vs Michael Grant because Grant can be durable vs lighter punchers.
If the heavyweight contenders fought one another then that would be entertaining for the heavyweight division. However they will not as too much money is to be made avoiding one another and defending the title against poor opponents for them to risk the real challenges. This applies to Fury, and Price.
Potential @29, vs Fury @24 lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Look at Prices opponents, you are only as good as who you beat.
Fury is well ahead in that category.
Fury is running out of opponents who are willing to face him and will get a title shot before he is ready.
I rate Price and want to see both fighters in the ring together.
Fury is fighting much better opposition, Price is fighting journeyman fighters, I understand the clamor over Price but beating has-been british fighters does not make you a World champion.
I respect Price, I just do not respect his fan boys.
If Price is so good, why the hell is he fighting such dead-end fighters?
When will Price fight quality opposition.