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THIS my friends is the "entitlement mentality" VC let me know if I'm wrong in this.
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THIS my friends is the "entitlement mentality" VC let me know if I'm wrong in this.
That's what "The Welfare State" makes....worthless, lazy, good for nothing, shit for brains, leeches on productive society. The guy & girl could have been any color it doesn't matter, it's the attitude that irritates the fuck out of me. "I get money from the government for rent but I use it to pay for other things" I see it everywhere....allow me to repeat that I SEE THAT EVERYWHERE and we wonder why we can't balance a budget well there ya go.
Liberals...please explain this to me. Explain this away for me. Please it is YOUR policies that cause this bullshit and I want answers, so tell me how those 2 leeches benefit the United States. What purpose do they serve????
What would I tell them?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ
Whilst I think benefits can be and are abused, you are living in a country that has been sold down the river. People need something to fall back on when their job has been shipped over to China. It's all very good for investors in that corporation, but the factors of production are sold out. Sure, weed out the rot, but you need a safety net. In a heartless capitalist system, only a minority do very well for themselves, the rest are swimming to stay afloat and with no lifejackets you will see poverty and needless death.
I won't watch the video's as that kind of TV is for simpletons. Along with Fox News and Jerry Springer, I assume you to have a nice array of sources for your views.
and now a word from the right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY0M7IdNl7U
Now that video I did have to sit through until the end. It is captivating to see just how stupid ordinary people really are. That deranged old hag 'He is a Muslim. His father was a Muslim. His father an atheist and his father was a communist'. Well, I am glad that was cleared up then. All too many crazy moments there. ;D
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
Very good points. My comments on some:
"benefits can be and are abused" - Exactly. The system is flawed. Everyone agrees on this. Government economic aid, in whatever form, should be exclusively for those with real needs, not leeching bums. The fact that this does not occur is indicative that the system is flawed, and needs fixing.
"People need something to fall back on when their job has been shipped over to China". - Right again. Employment is the backbone to a productive, healthy society. If a willing, able person cannot find gainful employment and is unable to meet his/her financial obligations, the government should be there to help. This again cannot and should not be abused. The fact that it IS, is indicative the system is flawed. At this juncture, I feel the need to say that Obama did not create unemployment or the outsourcing of jobs. This was a malady way before Obama. It needs to be fixed.
"Sure, weed out the rot, but you need a safety net". - Ideally, a good system will differentiate between the "rot" and the real needy people.
"In a heartless capitalist system, only a minority do very well for themselves" - Of course, you'll never expect the wealthy minority to agree or admit this... but it's nonetheless true. The so-called middle class is getting screwed, are losing their homes, are getting by without adequate healthcare, which is too expensive for the average American.
But once again, this will meet with the "all-or-nothing" mentality. ALL people getting government aid are leeching bums... the only worthy people are the "haves". The "have-nots" aren't worth a damn.
More of our well informed voters
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Husband: "Honey... does this mean we're not having sex tonight?"
You know.... a woman running over her husband because he didn't vote against Obama is one thing.
But this talk of secession by some butthurt states?? It's freaking ridiculous.
And YET..... secession talk is child's play compared to THIS:
Coal company fires 150 workers in response to Obama re-election - Business on NBCNews.com
You have GOT to be fucking KIDDING ME!!!
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Question how much does the crazy guy in YB's video cost the taxpayers?
TitoFan you are GROSSLY misinformed about capitalism. Its not a zero sum game, the masses can profit. Though I guess that is lost on liberals
This thread is little more then exploiting low hanging fruit. And it's frankly, weaksauce. It's an easy game to play dragging out the lowest common denominator of either side of an argument to try and make some sort of a point. While maybe it helps make you feel better, really it's just wasting energy and only comes across as petty, and bitter.
I suspect the collective might be in some kind of a grieving process. Currently in the anger phase. We already saw the denial part election night. Meh, hope ya all can work it through and start to focus on solutions some time soon.
The reaction to Obama's reelection has been unprecedented. States talking of recession... companies laying off employees in some sort of sick, twisted, vengeful manner... etc, etc, etc.
Seriously, how is a President supposed to get a fair shake in an attempt to direct the country on the path to prosperity? The President is calling for unity, and he's got half the country trying to defect. WTF is wrong with people nowadays?
Lyle, I'm sure you'll have some witty response as to why all of this is ok... but it still reeks to the rest of us. WTF is this?
Seriously.
Whatever happened to the democratic process? You have elections... the people vote for their candidate... the candidate with the most electoral votes wins... the country MOVES ON. It's been this way since the Stone Age. Why the epic butthurt... to paraphrase @Youngblood?
Is any of this supposed to help fix the country? I thought the U.S. was bigger than that. You know that TV commercial where the white guy named Michael Jordan gets a bunch of disappointed "oh"s from pizza delivery guys, restaurantiers, limo drivers... who were expecting the "real" Michael?
Well.... that's about the same reaction the rest of the world must be having to these silly, stupid antics by the butthurt rightists.
"Oh."
Strangely, I am kind of in the middle on an issue such as this. If you want a job then you do have to make sacrifices and on that basis I am hard on a lot of benefits users. If there is no job in your hometown then look further afield to somewhere that is growing. But you aren't going to go anywhere staying in a shell of a community. Look at Chinese people who separate from their families to work in urban centres and that is real sacrifice. You don't just give up easily. It is hard, but you have to try. That is for the people that want to work, but in a country where full time work is on the decline it still is easier said than done.
I am against permanent benefits for people who have simply bred or don't look for work. Having a child is your responsibility and if you haven't prepared for hard times then you shouldn't be a mother. Part of me would like to be very extreme to people like that. They are not good for society and should not be classed on the same level as the man striving, but unable to get hold of regular work.
For a start America should stop immigration and boot out illegals. That nonsense only reduces wages and makes stingy employers happy. I don't believe citizens should be sold out to unskilled uneccesary labour. You see the same thing with Eastern Europeans flooding the richer European nations. It is good for employers and immigrants alone. Get rid of them and you have more jobs for Americans. However, the government needs labour protection and that is something that is sorely behind most developed countries. It is only when Americans still refuse the jobs then you cut benefits, but you have to make the job worthwhile. There is no need for slavery and employers don't like that.
As for stupid people, well you have to laugh at them. Very few of them can produce cogent sentences let alone formulate logical and reasoned thought. It's funny.
The thing about safety nets is they should be just enough to get by. Life on the dole should be uncomfortable. Even lazy people should have to think twice if it is better to take a gov't handout or take a job or three they normally wouldn't. I'd like to see unemployment as something you have to opt into and personally contribute to as well.
I don't think a lot of people, even the ones that are big on personal responsibility are against say someone that worked for 30 years and has been laid off getting government assistance until they get back on their feet. That guy has made contributions to the system. What a lot people have a problem is that 19 year old mother that's a high school dropout without any real skills that has 3 kids by 3 different guys and is knocked up again on welfare, food stamps, medicare, section 8 housing, etc.
But, hey we live in an era of serious entitlement. I just got done discussing in another forum about the NAACP has just filed a lawsuit against the top public High schools of New York City because there aren't a lot of blacks and Hispanics admitted to the city's elite high schools and that they should be admitted in. Who gets accepted are the ones that scores high on those admittance tests. The lawsuit is claiming racism because a lot of the underrepresented minorities are not admitted to those high schools. But what the lawsuit doesn't want to touch are that the Asian students make up 70% of the student body, not white students at those elite high schools and many of them are also children of poor immigrants. But hey we live in an era of entitlement. People should get something free or handed to them without hard work involved.
The reaction to Obama's reelection is nothing special. This is not a referendum on Obama but on the liberal entitlement mindset.
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Sorry miles... you can't be in the middle. @Greenbeanz will accuse you of "keeping your options open" and "hedging your bets."
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If anything my hardline stance on habitual fatherless impregnees who cannot open their legs without becoming impregnated will have him frothing. On the whole though I am in the middle. A man of 30 years graft in a single firm is unlikely to reimpose himself. Someone like that should really be given a state pension and be told they have done enough, but if they are proud and most likely are, should be given support to get back into the game. There are a lot of lazy people though and they need a kick up the bum.Quote:
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Sorry miles... you can't be in the middle. @Greenbeanz will accuse you of "keeping your options open" and "hedging your bets."
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Personally I cannot imagine needing to claim benefits. If you didn't study hard at school, you chose to drop out of society, and only then realise that there is nothing for you? Well, that is your fault. We are given a lot of opportunities and all too many fail to realise it and it is there that I see Lyle's point of view. You don't need an IQ of 150 to do well in life, just diligence, some self respect and motivation.
We have societies where people are watching crap on TV and their aptitude for doing well in life is obselete. They want it on a plate and that is wrong. However, when your corporations are being sold to different countries and home productivity is increasing, and yet wages aren't you see a problem emerging. Even the people that work hard and want to succeed are being thrown under a wagon. It is a spiraling circle of despair.
Aha!...the master baiter strikes again. Seems like a case of epic butthurt from yourself. Is it the fact that you don't have the right to cast an Electoral vote for the president that irks you so? Lyle I get, and Miles, because they are like the perfect foil for each other. VC seems to be independent and Kirkland likes to post lengthy but entirely one sided statistical analysis. Youngblood is clearly enjoying playing the agitator but you TitoFan seem to want to enjoy the fragrance of Miles whilst moaning about other posters using the like button? You want to appear to be the voice of reason whilst stating either the bleeding obvious or cherry picking your quotes and references as though only you can see the stupidity of one side whilst others are clearly ignorant of such things. Politics sucks a fact that you claim to recognise whilst never really nailing your own colours to the post, like a seasoned politician. :-\Quote:
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Sorry miles... you can't be in the middle. @Greenbeanz will accuse you of "keeping your options open" and "hedging your bets."
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"Tin Hats!";D
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When you're right, you're right.
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Originally Posted by GreenbeanzAha!...the master baiter strikes again. Seems like a case of epic butthurt from yourself. Is it the fact that you don't have the right to cast an Electoral vote for the president that irks you so? Lyle I get, and Miles, because they are like the perfect foil for each other. VC seems to be independent and Kirkland likes to post lengthy but entirely one sided statistical analysis. Youngblood is clearly enjoying playing the agitator but you TitoFan seem to want to enjoy the fragrance of Miles whilst moaning about other posters using the like button? You want to appear to be the voice of reason whilst stating either the bleeding obvious or cherry picking your quotes and references as though only you can see the stupidity of one side whilst others are clearly ignorant of such things. Politics sucks a fact that you claim to recognise whilst never really nailing your own colours to the post, like a seasoned politician. :-\Quote:
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Sorry miles... you can't be in the middle. @Greenbeanz will accuse you of "keeping your options open" and "hedging your bets."
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"Tin Hats!";D
Don't get all huffy, grandpa. Just pointing out your blatant double-standards. ;D
On the one hand, you butt into a Wlad thread you've previously not even glanced at, just to tell me "there's too much gray", in a kiss-ass defense of @El Kabong 's extremist views on Wlad. And in your "expert" (cough) boxing opinion, you stupidly say that having a non-extremist view (god or bum) on Wlad is, how did you put it?.... "keeping my options open" and "hedging my bets"?
Then on the other hand, you ignore @Gandalf 's middle ground stance on the entitlement mentality in America.
Which of course is the classic behaviour pattern of a kiss-ass, or brown-noser... whichever term you prefer. No big deal, grandpa. There's worse things in the world. You happen to be pretty good at kissing ass. To some people (not me, though), that is probably an admirable skill and trait.
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Well, to be fair Greenbeanz is often on my case. I regard him and Lyle as fair chaps, but we all go to war on occasion and I don't think anyone gets an easy time of it. I set off on Lyle, Greenz goes after me and sometimes we all go after Titofan. It's a giant circle really.
Sometimes we all even agree on issues, but never all at the same time. ;D
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Difference is... I know where Lyle stands. I don't agree with most of it, but we know what each believes (Lyle: anti-Obama, anti-gun control, etc, etc.... Me: anti-Romney, pro-gun control, etc, etc). We go at it pretty good, but mostly within the bounds of respect. With you, I've a few minor scraps... not entirely outlandish, given the amount of time we've been posting here.
With Grandpa... I just like poking holes in his kiss-ass, flowery speech ways. I just can't help myself. Maybe I'll be nicer to him as a New Year's resolution for 2013.
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Back on topic here....$70,000 at the very least was wasted on the guy in the video. They SAY he's a "3rd year college student" but the reality of the situation is he more than likely can't read or write given the manner in which he conducts himself but people can and probably have picked him up to take him to vote and tell him which button to push for which candidate and sure people who defend using America's safety net as a hammock will take offense to that and accuse me of making things up, but I have seen it happen with my own eyes. If you think people aren't gaming the system then you're a simpleton and it's a whole hell of a lot more than just him, he's just a bright shining example of the "Dumb Masses" that never worked hard, never held any responsibility, never had to be held accountable, and will leech off of society and as you see in the video he feels no shame in leeching off of the government....he's a strong case for the Pro-Choice crowd.
And I'm glad @TitoFan finds all of my views to be "extremist"....what's extremist here? That I think people should EARN a living? Is that extreme???
I am sitting in the tattoist waiting for Mrs Greenbeanz to have her tattoo laughing at Titofans clearly sore butt and condescending bullshit. Huffy? LMFAO.:-)
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You generalize, @El Kabong. You think ALL minorities are leeches. You think ALL minorities want to be "hooked on government", to use your words. You think ALL minorities would rather live on handouts than having gainful employment.
You generalize. In contrast, VictorCharlie, who generally has the same political views as you, does not generalize. And knowledgeably speaks of minorites that are hard-working, and are not looking for handouts.
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Tattoos?
Hey... this is your chance to get tattoos of those saddo'ers whose asses you shamelessly kiss.
That IS...... if you don't have a few on you already.
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woah there partner #1 The DEMOCRATS want minorties hooked on government so they'll vote Democrat, that's not generalizing that's the hard and painful truth. #2 I don't think "all minorities are leeches" there are Conservative minorities, obviously they are not leeches. They believe in hard work will pay off and are willing to fight for that American Dream.Quote:
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What is your problem little boy? You are a bit hypersensitive there. I am sorry that you prejudge the entire forum and that your butt hurts on behalf of humanity but I have no interest in brown nosing anyone. Manners and perspective. Learn some.Quote:
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Tattoos?
Hey... this is your chance to get tattoos of those saddo'ers whose asses you shamelessly kiss.
That IS...... if you don't have a few on you already.
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Originally Posted by El Kabongwoah there partner #1 The DEMOCRATS want minorties hooked on government so they'll vote Democrat, that's not generalizing that's the hard and painful truth. #2 I don't think "all minorities are leeches" there are Conservative minorities, obviously they are not leeches. They believe in hard work will pay off and are willing to fight for that American Dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Yes Lyle. And there's probably a lot of Democrat minorities who are not leeches also.
You see how this "not generalizing" stuff works?
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Tattoos?
Hey... this is your chance to get tattoos of those saddo'ers whose asses you shamelessly kiss.
That IS...... if you don't have a few on you already.
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"Prejudge the entire forum"?? Are you on drugs?
I'm singling YOU out, gramps.
Again, stop with the tag team wrestling.
No one's going to come running to your aid.
By the way, I recommend a tattoo on each buttcheek with the names of the two posters whose asses you most like to kiss. And you can preface each one with: "Property of:"
I can guess whose name would be on one of those cheeks. :-X
Uh..ok. Don't you think its a little bit tragic that what you are essentially crying about is not being liked and repped enough on a forum. Seriously you sound well jell.
@tagteam. Help! there is an ant on my shoe.
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Really gramps?
Who is it that continuously mentions reps and being liked?
Seriously.
But chill, dude.
In some cultures (though none that I'm aware of) being an ass-kisser is probably admired and revered.
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Originally Posted by El Kabongand you calling ALL of my views "extremist" falls where exactly on this plane of "not generalizing"?Quote:
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Touché, my good man.
But there's still a lot of Democrat minorities who are not leeches.
Can you agree with that?
It's one-sided because the facts have a strong liberal bias. But they are facts, not opinon. It's one -sided because that's the way it is. If you think there are facts and analysis pointing the other way be sure to point it out to me.Quote:
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Anybody like to post the factual amount of US GDP that the US government spends on welfare programmes? Let's take 2012 as the year because this will really bump the number up from normal. The reason the number will be much higher than normal is because of the fact that there are a lot more people than usual drawing unemployment benefit due to the 2008 meltdown and slow recovery. Also the fact that about a third of the country now qualify for food stamps due to the shit economic conditions.
So anybody know how much the US government will spend in 2012? 1.7% of GDP, the same amount it spent in 1976. The same amount it's spending every year in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Spending on food and nutrition programmes is well under one percent of GDP. It isn't a rounding error, but it's nothing to get excited about.
Lyle, if you see poor unfortunate people like that every day and you're sick of dealing with them and illegals taking jobs and claiming welfare then my advice to you is to realise the American dream and make more money so that you can move to a nice neighbourhood where you don't come into contact with those people and the only illegals you see are the ones doing your yard.
Facts. Don't come round here bandying facts around. There are way too many facts in the world.