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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7UdQa-M5I8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLVmY3otWGY
....how can they ACT in such deplorable conditions, I mean where the fuck is the Craft Service truck???
Anyone care to explain this or is this just some "vast right wing conspiracy"???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UojaKMDHYc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxgEt9gLDow
Obviously its some damn Jew trick right??? Right everyone??? I mean the Palestinians wouldn't lie to the world to stir shit up would they???
That is fucking odd.
Welcome to Pallywood was one of the quotes in the video. Not wrong by the looks of it.
What kind of idiot decides to fake being shot? Where's the honour or pride?
I guess they get their military training from the Italian National soccer teamQuote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
Are you being serious?
Israel has occupied Palestine. They have built settlements on half of the occupied land, they have stolen water resources, they have annexed Palestine into convenient little boxes. Palestine is not allowed to import any materials for development. All of this is illegal and condemned by the international community; except America.
Miles the wool has been pulled over your eyes. The Palestinians are persona non grata in every Arab and Persian state and only serve 1 purpose.... foment hatred against Israel which is a legal nation so sayeth the British Mandate and United Nations....end....of....discussionQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
What are you talking about? Israel exists and so?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongMiles the wool has been pulled over your eyes. The Palestinians are persona non grata in every Arab and Persian state and only serve 1 purpose.... foment hatred against Israel which is a legal nation so sayeth the British Mandate and United Nations....end....of....discussionQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
The entire world supports a Palestine built on the 1967 borders. Well, the entire world except Israel and America.
Israel slaughters, builds on occupied land and recieves grants from America. So sayeth the UN.
The leading terrorist state supports another terrorist state. Ooh what a shocker.
Leading terrorist state? Miles watch the videos the roaches of "Palestine " lie, Israel protects its borders and that's it. The Palestinian rats have earned their demise.
Desperate times = desperate measures.
Why is there no compassion towards any innocents who are caught up in it the ones who are damaged and cant drag themselves out in front of a camera?
Why take a side in it at all , or is it justification of a political alliance? Both sides use deplorable measures, its just one side has more technology and more cash and more freedom available to it, those things do not automatically make its acts holy and righteous either.
Your country is responsible for more terrorism than the rest of the world combined. You also subsidise number 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Israel protects its borders? The 1967 ones or the ones it occupies and builds on illegally?
Don't defend the inexcusable.
If half of your house was being occupied and the authorities refused to evict them, wouldn't you try to do the job yourself? Palestine does not exist because of the United States and Israel. Give back the stolen lands, allow independence and access to water and farmlands and you will find a more stable region. Israel does not care for stability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
The Palestinians in Gaza have nothing, meanwhile the US gives massive funds to Israel. Funds that could give a lot of entitlements to those scrounging American people that Lyle loathes so much or even fund wells in poorer countries in Africa. Instead it is used to fund apartheid.
If you live in a settlement you are not an innocent. You are complicit. Likewise so is America with its UN veto and subsidisation of terror.
It's been over 12 years since I've read the Republic, Leviathan, and the 2nd Discourse and just got done reading all 3 in the past few days.
Aristotle, Plato, and Socrates would approve of the occupation. What is happening there is a form of justice. Hobbes would also believed the occupation to be necessary for the Jews, for it ensures their survival. And as Hobbes has defined, life is an inalienable right that no one can unjustly take from someone else and that even extreme measures have to be taken to ensure life is preserved. The only one that would disagreed would be Rousseau, probably blathering on the natural and moral inequalities that the Palestinians face from the superior Jews.
A whole new meaning to the battle for hearts and minds ;D Faking casualties goes from setting ambush to calling in body counts. Wars are now fought as talking points and video clips. Both are not ignorant of this but at the same time it doesn't mean people are not actually being shot and maimed.
Audley Harrison would be proud of the acting and faking being hurt.
The entire world believes that the Palestinians have a right to self determination based on the 1967 borders. The view is almost universal. It doesn't really matter what Aristotle might believe on the issue. Aristotle was also a defender of slavery. Using violence as a means of resisting occupation is justified.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Israel routinely oppresses, tortures and victimises the Palestinians. It is only natural that the anger will sometimes spill over with rockets being launched.
25 Palestinians are killed for every one Israeli. It doesn't take bravery to shoot a man who is defending himself with a twig.
This is the important point. Hamas does not represent all Palestinians just as the hardline the Israelie Government has taken is not representative of the feelings of all Israelies. Just because some Arabic news media is happy to used faked propaganda this does not discredit the overwhelming statistical and independently verified evidence of widespread innocent civilian casualties gathered and presented by reputable agencies. The babies, children and women killed cannot be described as anything but innocent victims. It is also equally insensitive and duplicitous to use this tragedy as a point scoring exercise to further a political agenda in which the thousands of rockets fired, suicide bombs detonated and executions by terrorist factions carried out by Palestinians or their supporters are conveniently ignored in an effort to blame the USA and Britain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
You don't think you are exagerrating the Palestinian menace somewhat? Currently there are 28 dead Palestians and 3 dead Israeli's. It is easy to blame terrorists on the Muslim side, but the Israeli military is state sponsored terrorism. As usual the force distributed from the Israeli side is massively overblown. We saw the same thing with 1400 killed in the massacre of 4 years ago with the majority being women and children. That is terrorism. Land theft is crime. If there was no occupation there would be no need to resort to rockets. And lest we not forget that this latest upset was caused by the needless Israeli murder of a 12 year old boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzThis is the important point. Hamas does not represent all Palestinians just as the hardline the Israelie Government has taken is not representative of the feelings of all Israelies. Just because some Arabic news media is happy to used faked propaganda this does not discredit the overwhelming statistical and independently verified evidence of widespread innocent civilian casualties gathered and presented by reputable agencies. The babies, children and women killed cannot be described as anything but innocent victims. It is also equally insensitive and duplicitous to use this tragedy as a point scoring exercise to further a political agenda in which the thousands of rockets fired, suicide bombs detonated and executions by terrorist factions carried out by Palestinians or their supporters are conveniently ignored in an effort to blame the USA and Britain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
The self styled MILITARY leader of Hamas was taken out in a surgical strike after over a hundred missiles were fired at Isreal in the week preceding. It doesn't fit your narrative so you ignore it . The act itself was always going to lead to retrospective recriminations and Israel must have known that so I am not condoning their actions but it is hardly accurate to paint them as the unprovoked aggressor.
Israel is automatically the aggressor in treating Gaza like a concentration camp and resisting a fair solution to the Palestine state question.
The latest unrest was provoked by Israel. They murdered a young boy and the Palestinians were justifiably angry. It was Israel who broke the peace deal brokered by Egypt.
It suits the popular narrative to have Israel as the hard done by nation having to put up with all these terrorist attacks, but it is an inacurate picture.
Day in day out Palestinians are losing their own land, being denied access to imports, and all the while being aggressively policed and bullied by illegal occupiers. The truth is that Israel is an apartheid state and just like in South Africa it is taking an awfully long time for the narrative to alter its position. We were all good friends with South Africa until eventually it was untenable, with Israel it is harder because of the US Jewish lobbies.
So miles, you see nothing wrong with the Palestinians faking this stuff?
This would be embarrassing enough were it an isolated incident but repeated clunky and clumsy use of metaphors like this riddle your posts and betray your own deeply held prejudice. Yours is the popular narrative a world where the oppressors are on one side and the civilian population are pawns to be used for point scoring. Do you really think that Israeli and Palestinians want to live in a never ending war? They want to get on with their lives and the anger on both sides at military actions that prevent that is justifiable. Do you not see the irony of your own position in which you denounce a democratic western system that you have lived under your whole life whilst mysteriously making the hundreds of Iranian made rockets fired into Israel disappear? Is Israel at war with any other countries in the region? Do you not think that indicates that they want to be left in peace?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Thats a balanced view. They are both as bad as each other. There is no possible justification in backing any of the killing of women kids and other innocents on either side.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzThis is the important point. Hamas does not represent all Palestinians just as the hardline the Israelie Government has taken is not representative of the feelings of all Israelies. Just because some Arabic news media is happy to used faked propaganda this does not discredit the overwhelming statistical and independently verified evidence of widespread innocent civilian casualties gathered and presented by reputable agencies. The babies, children and women killed cannot be described as anything but innocent victims. It is also equally insensitive and duplicitous to use this tragedy as a point scoring exercise to further a political agenda in which the thousands of rockets fired, suicide bombs detonated and executions by terrorist factions carried out by Palestinians or their supporters are conveniently ignored in an effort to blame the USA and Britain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Old men will say "Oh well that is the price of war" and other bull shit to clear their minds; it isnt the price of war its the price of them financing and voting for hell on Earth at others expense.
what is "israel"?
:confused: Part of the Anti Nazi propaganda machine? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
It is a valid statment and holds true. Gaza is in essence a large concentration camp. You fit large numbers of people together, deny them basic living standards and keep guard over them. The only thing missing is the gas chambers, but Israel employs different means of enforcing coercion and control over the Gazan camp. Periodic massacres typically suffice when resistance occasionally breaks out.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzThis would be embarrassing enough were it an isolated incident but repeated clunky and clumsy use of metaphors like this riddle your posts and betray your own deeply held prejudice. Yours is the popular narrative a world where the oppressors are on one side and the civilian population are pawns to be used for point scoring. Do you really think that Israeli and Palestinians want to live in a never ending war? They want to get on with their lives and the anger on both sides at military actions that prevent that is justifiable. Do you not see the irony of your own position in which you denounce a democratic western system that you have lived under your whole life whilst mysteriously making the hundreds of Iranian made rockets fired into Israel disappear? Is Israel at war with any other countries in the region? Do you not think that indicates that they want to be left in peace?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
The solution is obvious. 1967 borders as agreed by the leaders of most of the globes population. Unfortunately for Israel they would have to take down settlements that have been built in 45% of the Palestinian land, they would also need to hand back water resources and in truth, they really don't want a fair settlement. Palestine is once again going to the UN for the granting of statehood. Just watch who veto's or abstains. The same deadly duo who are opposed to peace.
67 borders? Israel won their land they earned it why give it back because it won't appease the Palestinian rats
Survival of the fittest.
Lesson to learn, if you are not the fittest, make friends with countries that are.
The British gave them that land. They were burning in ovens and being skinned alive prior to that ... no one wanted those cancerous fiendsQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Poor poor Jews ... being skinned alive and experimented on by daddy Hitler .. .clearly faked ... staged ... a facade
Feeling high and mighty using British and American weapons to murder and commit countless atrocities but its a "holocaust" when they are on the receiving end.
Ive heard some people actually believe that the holocaust was faked for real.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBombThe British gave them that land. They were burning in ovens and being skinned alive prior to that ... no one wanted those cancerous fiendsQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Poor poor Jews ... being skinned alive and experimented on by daddy Hitler .. .clearly faked ... staged ... a facade
Feeling high and mighty using British and American weapons to murder and commit countless atrocities but its a "holocaust" when they are on the receiving end.
I find that fascinating.
Which makes me ask,how did they make all those thousands of skeletons for all the old films that the Gi's took? The piles of clothes the gold teeth found in reserves? The films the Germans themselves took of lining up people over trenches; you've seen the footage.
Which would also make the Nuremberg trails also wholly falsified in order to prosecute the leaders from their own documented evidence and films?
Where are all the missing relatives of these Jews who forged their deaths?
I really want to know the answers from someone who claims its falsified.