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I really like carl froch.
Body shot was a beauty on mack.
Im just wondering if froch can carry weight well and if he can move up at some point as i dont know how hes gonna beat ward.
Froch has the chin, the power, and the stamina.
Hes defense isnt fantastic but his boxing is improving.
Frochs a nice guy and he beats kessler and bute again..but how will he fight ward this time?
Mentally he is stronger and would need to start the fight at the same pace as his last two outings. If he could drag Ward to the Nottingham that would help tremendously, but that won't happen as Ward and his crew think he is the second coming.
Froch will never beat Ward....
Surely its more money for both if its not in nottingham and in america?
Every shot he threw was a train wreck and he was connecting at some weird angles. And what of that chin. He took a monster left hook from Mack coming off the ropes and never even blinked.
Masterful job.
He needs to get kessler out of the way and then destroy bute again.
Thats ridiculous this is boxing. Given the right circumstances Ponce de Leon could beat an egg.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnbiasedFan
Pretty sure he has to fight Bute first imp. Most likely in the spring.
Where will it be?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I always thought the contract was 2 fights one in nottingham the other in montreal...
Froch needs three fights next year.
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Originally Posted by impWhere will it be?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
In Quebec at the Bell Centre as per the contract.
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Originally Posted by GreenbeanzThats ridiculous this is boxing. Given the right circumstances Ponce de Leon could beat an egg.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnbiasedFan
Sure you're right.... I guess Froch will just have to pray Ward doesn't train or that he turns into an egg.
No you are right in spite of a hundred years of boxing history that disagrees. After all Lamotta had no chance in the second Robinson fight.Quote:
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Originally Posted by GreenbeanzThats ridiculous this is boxing. Given the right circumstances Ponce de Leon could beat an egg.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnbiasedFan
Sure you're right.... I guess Froch will just have to pray Ward doesn't train or that he turns into an egg.
Pretty much expected him to ball Mack up like dirty laundry and get him out early but he is fighting with a Hellish intent of an attitude and delivery. Pretty Impressive. I think Bute is in for another drubbing. In a rematch though I still go with Ward.
What froch needs to stop doing is that moving his shoulder up to his chin trying to be slick.
I think he realises now that he cant pull that stuff off and must stick to what hes good at.
Froch is going to have to give his belt up or face a fight that won't make him any money. Kessler and Ward are both beltholders with promoters who hate taking risks so Froch will have to travel to fight both guys. Unlikely he'll beat Kessler, a Danish ref and judges judging a Sauerland promotion and he takes another loss from a getting-better Ward. If he doesn't retire after that he could move up to 175 and fight Cleverly if he still has a belt.
Ward is a quality fighter who is under rated, Froch is raw but fearless and would beat anyone one else in the division, maybe a close fight with Kessler, but cannot see Froch beat Ward ever.
I disagree with the Kessler traveling bit there man. I say Kessler wouldn't have the least bit of a problem facing Froch in Nottingham. I believe the plan would be to hold that fight in Notts Forest Stadium. So much money on offer there, Kessler wouldn't get that kind of money ANYWHERE else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Beating Ward would be another idea all together. On the day, anything can happen.
Kessler should fight ward if he beats MaGee.
Ward might go up to light heavy after pavlik.
Carl looked great last night but Ward may still be out of reach
Id make Carl big favourite to beat Bute
Kessler rematch is 50-50
Carl would be underdog vs Ward
Bute looks so Fragile and I think Carl would rip him to shreds in Canada. Carl and Kessler may come down to who has home advantage. Well matched. both warriors, both have good chins and as brave as they come.
Ward will only fight guys who agree to his demands in Oakland and brings no excitement either so I hope for the other two fights 1st.
My question is does Froch need Ward? He has two big money fights he can make without Ward.
True. But he will need to beat ward to be established as the best in the divison.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
Froch cant afford no more slow starts against ward.
Who cares if he's the best in the division? At his age he needs to make as much money as he can. I don't want to see Froch become another Roy Jones or Evander Holyfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by impTrue. But he will need to beat ward to be established as the best in the divison.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
How can anyone not like Froch? The man comes to fight and can never be accused of ducking anyone. The only way he has a shot at beating Ward is by going for broke like he did against Bute and letting his hands go more often. I would love to see Bute fight Kessler and Froch fight the winner. War Froch
You dont have to become an evander or roy jones fella.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1Who cares if he's the best in the division? At his age he needs to make as much money as he can. I don't want to see Froch become another Roy Jones or Evander Holyfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by impTrue. But he will need to beat ward to be established as the best in the divison.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
Know your limits when leaving the game.
Listen, froch has made loads of money and will make alot more.
If you asked him if he wants to leave the sport with a win over ward OR a win over kessler and bute again im sure his legacy would look better with ward on his cv.
Froch is a great fighter and love watching him in action as he fights all the best fighters and ducks no one.
Froch will want to leave the sport beating ward, but if not hes had a great career!
He seems to have developed his weird, uncomfortable looking style into a technique that lands really dangerous solid punches.
When watching the Mack fight, I thought for a moment in the second round he was going to be too quick for Froch, his jab too fast. But Froch's patient, then flurry style seems to work well.
He needs to go at Ward and pressure him, not try out box him. Stay out of range for a bit, then pressure for a while. Although I'm sure he thought he would do that last time and just got his confidence knocked when he couldn't connect with the first punch.
I'd love to see him beat Ward, would be one of my favourite ever boxing moments I'm sure.
He definately needs to pressure ward from early. Froch needs to go in there and go for the ko!Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
Come on froch!
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
I expect Mack will do well early, get caught at some point and be stopped mid or late.
I'm a big Carl Froch fan. He'll fight anyone anywhere. I still say he doesn't need Ward. At least not now. He will knock out Bute again. I want him to retire with money in his pocket and all his marbers.
You are right, nobody was surprised when Mack couldn't avoid a KO, and Froch is fighting very confident right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I'm hoping Froch will do a repeat with Bute and then stay away from Ward. There are plenty of fights out there for Froch. I don't see the need to fight Ward ASAP.
I'd love to see Froch beat Kessler in Notts, and then finish his career off with a final war with Kessler to complete a trilogy in Vegas where EVERYBODY can't wait to watch the war unfold.
#FrochVsKesslerTrilogy Yes please.......
Nah.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMacMagician
A rematch with ward will show whether froch can adapt to his style and beat him.
Froch is still the 2nd best super middle weight today and to be number one he needs to beat ward.
He can rematch kessler again but leave it at that.
Hopefully he can get three fights in for next year with the last being ward.
Froch isn't beating Ward. It's not happening. Froch might have to settle for being the second best super middleweight in the world, but he needs to avenge his loss to Kessler before he even gets that title. At this point, because all signs point to Ward having a Hall of Fame career, it might not be the worse thing in the world if Froch is only the second best.
Agree 100%. Well said sir.Quote:
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I cant agree with that. Who knows how Ward would be effected if he were to actually go to Nottingham. I realize he has math and the history of rematches on his side but its not a slam dunk. Now I'm not saying he would fold like Bute did from the hostile crowd but there is little doubt in my mind that it would have an effect. Add to that the way that Froch seems to fight at home and some adjustments they might make and it could be interesting.
Kessler makes the most sense since it was so close on the cards but I have this feeling that we have heard the last of Kessler on the elite stage. For lack of a better phrase he has lost the eye of the tiger.
I think he most likely beats Magee and then he will hide out in Denmark for the rest of his career never rematching Ward or Froch.
Where Bute is concerned I'm starting to think although I hate to say it that he is somehow going to bail on the Froch rematch even though he may be tarred and feathered by Quebec fans. Maybe he goes for it and I hope he does but he to looked like a mentally beaten man for much of that Grachev fight. Another gut feeling is that they are thinking about and all Quebec showdown with Pascal if he beats Dawson in March.
A Ward/Froch rematch is the best fight in the division because of the way Carl has stormed back. Perhaps Ward does win again but I don't figure its as finite as many believe especially if he chooses to fight in Nottingham. Nobody gave Lamotta a chance when he re-matched Robinson and yet Jake even out jabbed him. Nobody really gave a 37 year old Robinson much chance to beat Basilio in the rematch. Norris/Brown, Randall/Chavez, Nelson/Leja etc etc. I hope Froch/Ward 2 happens.
I read before that Kessler is open to a rematch with Froch any place and anytime. He said he beat him before and he will beat him again. I hope Kessler actually means what he said and would be willing to return the favour to Froch and travel for this fight. Fair is fair with Froch travelling to Denmark first time out. I think this is the fight Froch needs to set up a Ward rematch. I hope he can pull them both off.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I cant agree with that. Who knows how Ward would be effected if he were to actually go to Nottingham. I realize he has math and the history of rematches on his side but its not a slam dunk. Now I'm not saying he would fold like Bute did from the hostile crowd but there is little doubt in my mind that it would have an effect. Add to that the way that Froch seems to fight at home and some adjustments they might make and it could be interesting.
Kessler makes the most sense since it was so close on the cards but I have this feeling that we have heard the last of Kessler on the elite stage. For lack of a better phrase he has lost the eye of the tiger.
I think he most likely beats Magee and then he will hide out in Denmark for the rest of his career never rematching Ward or Froch.
Where Bute is concerned I'm starting to think although I hate to say it that he is somehow going to bail on the Froch rematch even though he may be tarred and feathered by Quebec fans. Maybe he goes for it and I hope he does but he to looked like a mentally beaten man for much of that Grachev fight. Another gut feeling is that they are thinking about and all Quebec showdown with Pascal if he beats Dawson in March.
A Ward/Froch rematch is the best fight in the division because of the way Carl has stormed back. Perhaps Ward does win again but I don't figure its as finite as many believe especially if he chooses to fight in Nottingham. Nobody gave Lamotta a chance when he re-matched Robinson and yet Jake even out jabbed him. Nobody really gave a 37 year old Robinson much chance to beat Basilio in the rematch. Norris/Brown, Randall/Chavez, Nelson/Leja etc etc. I hope Froch/Ward 2 happens.
What makes you think Bute is going to bail?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I cant agree with that. Who knows how Ward would be effected if he were to actually go to Nottingham. I realize he has math and the history of rematches on his side but its not a slam dunk. Now I'm not saying he would fold like Bute did from the hostile crowd but there is little doubt in my mind that it would have an effect. Add to that the way that Froch seems to fight at home and some adjustments they might make and it could be interesting.
Kessler makes the most sense since it was so close on the cards but I have this feeling that we have heard the last of Kessler on the elite stage. For lack of a better phrase he has lost the eye of the tiger.
I think he most likely beats Magee and then he will hide out in Denmark for the rest of his career never rematching Ward or Froch.
Where Bute is concerned I'm starting to think although I hate to say it that he is somehow going to bail on the Froch rematch even though he may be tarred and feathered by Quebec fans. Maybe he goes for it and I hope he does but he to looked like a mentally beaten man for much of that Grachev fight. Another gut feeling is that they are thinking about and all Quebec showdown with Pascal if he beats Dawson in March.
A Ward/Froch rematch is the best fight in the division because of the way Carl has stormed back. Perhaps Ward does win again but I don't figure its as finite as many believe especially if he chooses to fight in Nottingham. Nobody gave Lamotta a chance when he re-matched Robinson and yet Jake even out jabbed him. Nobody really gave a 37 year old Robinson much chance to beat Basilio in the rematch. Norris/Brown, Randall/Chavez, Nelson/Leja etc etc. I hope Froch/Ward 2 happens.
I just think styles make fights and Froch didin't do well with Ward's style in any way. Nothing is set in stone though. I'll tell you what: Froch would do a lot better than Pavlik woill against Ward in January. That much is certain