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Quite surprised about this one really, I dont think JMM has ever been in trouble before and doesnt seem the type to cheat. JMM said he would welcome testing, maybe Roach was just surprised that JMM performed so well and is looking for excuses.
Funny and sad at the same time that Roach would be accusing Marquez of steroid use when, as he said, Pac has been accused of the same thing many times before. I would be surprised to learn that Marquez is roiding, 'cause he's one of those few fighters today that I think are above that. But you never know. Knowing Roach, it's probably just part of his head games before a big fight. He's probably looking for either an edge... or an out, should JMM win convincingly. But what really irks me is Top Rank's refusal to do random testing. As far as I'm concerned, random testing should be mandatory at each and every major fight. Especially given the rampant roid use lately. What's to think about?
Yes i agree that doesnt really make sense at all and if both fighters said they would do it why not do it anyway? It puts both camps minds at rest and stops bullshit accusations like this IMO. Especially for a fight thats for the champion of the decade belt, if it was that important they would have the testing (I know the champion of the decade belt is BS though). Either way, a fighter whos so highly regarded as Pacquiao it should happen, its better for the image of the sport.
The irony is almost palatable.
Funny how Roach wanted testing but Pac's promotor said no. I don't think JMM is on any PEDs but all fighters should be tested. Everybody thought Floyd was stupid when he said we need to clean up the sport. It looks like he may be right, all major fights should be random tested.
JMM looks like a miniature Wlad
He probably found Pac's stash of designer anabolics and is now using them for himself ;D
On a serious note, both of these guys should be tested
Any athlete now that is doing something remarkable I have a hard time believing. Look at Hopkins. We all just think thats clean living but we are too naive to even entertain the thought that a man of 47 can be a world champion amd have continuous succuess up to that point too.
Other fighters that a cynic like myself thinks is blatantly obvious of taking something just because they moved up and still look ripped, Adamek, Haye, Martinez, Green and there will deffinitly be a shit load of heavies doing it. The Klitschkos, seeing as one has already been found out as a cheater.
I wouldnt be surprised if anybody was found to be cheating now and I agree, test everyone. Its only fair.
I also agree that Marquez has come up in weight and still looks very strong but he doesnt look half the body builder that Manny does.
Even if their not intentionally taking any kind of PED, such as anabolic steroids, there's no doubt they're taking supplements that may be legal to obtain but appear on the banned substances list.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Roy Jones Jr was taking an over the counter androgen without even knowing that it was banned, or so he claims. Some stuff that may have been legal to use and purchase in the past may be illegal to use now.
Point is that a lot of these guys are definitely on something, whether they know it or not ( such as Mosley, who claims he didn't know he was taking PEDs), or whether they took these substances with the intent of using them as PEDs.
And boxing is already the most corrupt sport there is, minus all of this PED stuff. Pretty amazing that Arum and Top Rank can choose for their fighters to not be tested. Testing should be required, especially for all major bouts.
Dont know where you got that but Mosely knew damn well he was cheating and that he was taking EPO. He even admitted so in court. Watch the whole of this video.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBombEven if their not intentionally taking any kind of PED, such as anabolic steroids, there's no doubt they're taking supplements that may be legal to obtain but appear on the banned substances list.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Roy Jones Jr was taking an over the counter androgen without even knowing that it was banned, or so he claims. Some stuff that may have been legal to use and purchase in the past may be illegal to use now.
Point is that a lot of these guys are definitely on something, whether they know it or not ( such as Mosley, who claims he didn't know he was taking PEDs), or whether they took these substances with the intent of using them as PEDs.
And boxing is already the most corrupt sport there is, minus all of this PED stuff. Pretty amazing that Arum and Top Rank can choose for their fighters to not be tested. Testing should be required, especially for all major bouts.
Shane Mosley Admits to Knowingly Using EPO in Lawsuit Against BALCO's Victor Conte - YouTube
It bugs me how most boxing fans especially on this forum think that Mosely is so great even though he is an admitted cheating little cunt.
Lol. Very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossDont know where you got that but Mosely knew damn well he was cheating and that he was taking EPO. He even admitted so in court. Watch the whole of this video.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBombEven if their not intentionally taking any kind of PED, such as anabolic steroids, there's no doubt they're taking supplements that may be legal to obtain but appear on the banned substances list.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Roy Jones Jr was taking an over the counter androgen without even knowing that it was banned, or so he claims. Some stuff that may have been legal to use and purchase in the past may be illegal to use now.
Point is that a lot of these guys are definitely on something, whether they know it or not ( such as Mosley, who claims he didn't know he was taking PEDs), or whether they took these substances with the intent of using them as PEDs.
And boxing is already the most corrupt sport there is, minus all of this PED stuff. Pretty amazing that Arum and Top Rank can choose for their fighters to not be tested. Testing should be required, especially for all major bouts.
Shane Mosley Admits to Knowingly Using EPO in Lawsuit Against BALCO's Victor Conte - YouTube
It bugs me how most boxing fans especially on this forum think that Mosely is so great even though he is an admitted cheating little cunt.
Could be some truth here yeno. If Roach is openly accusing JMM on being on something, then maybe Freddie supplied it.
Photos: Manny Pacquiao Ripped and Ready For Marquez - Boxing News
Manny is in decent shape too though.
Photos: Marquez Muscular, Aims to Knock Pacquiao Out - Boxing News
Yeah, it's all down to hard work in the gym. I think all of these guys are juicing. The only elite fighter I don't think is juicing is Donaire. He's the only guy who does year-round random testing. Nobody else agrees to that, the random testing done in fights like Floyd-Mosley only started a couple of months before fight night. A lot of the new substances are out of the body after 24 hours.
What's Donaire's main gripe about his career? He can't manage to put a few pounds of muscle on his frame and move up the weights. Then you see guys like Marquez who were able to make 130 at the age of 35 who look like a completely different person four years later. Go figure.
It sounds like he doesn't even know what EPO is or what it does, at least that's what he's making it seem like.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossDont know where you got that but Mosely knew damn well he was cheating and that he was taking EPO. He even admitted so in court. Watch the whole of this video.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBombEven if their not intentionally taking any kind of PED, such as anabolic steroids, there's no doubt they're taking supplements that may be legal to obtain but appear on the banned substances list.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Roy Jones Jr was taking an over the counter androgen without even knowing that it was banned, or so he claims. Some stuff that may have been legal to use and purchase in the past may be illegal to use now.
Point is that a lot of these guys are definitely on something, whether they know it or not ( such as Mosley, who claims he didn't know he was taking PEDs), or whether they took these substances with the intent of using them as PEDs.
And boxing is already the most corrupt sport there is, minus all of this PED stuff. Pretty amazing that Arum and Top Rank can choose for their fighters to not be tested. Testing should be required, especially for all major bouts.
Shane Mosley Admits to Knowingly Using EPO in Lawsuit Against BALCO's Victor Conte - YouTube
It bugs me how most boxing fans especially on this forum think that Mosely is so great even though he is an admitted cheating little cunt.
He admitted he knew what it was. He could have said he had no idea but he admitted he knew.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomb
You can be sure someone like Conte would have made it quite clear to the athletes exactly what it was they were taking for when the shit hit the fan and he didnt have to go down alone.
Mosely looks sheepish like a kid admitting to his dad that he scratched his new car. He knows this is going to get seen by all his dopey, dumb, naive, fans.
people remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYoElrXBBRc
Part 2Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...Ga3nmzRo0&NR=1
Marquez has done random testing before freddie, I'm sure if you ask him nicely and get pac to do the same that he'll oblige you and put your doubts at ease ?
all i see is roach trying to create a little buzz around the fight that no one gives a shit about.
then he should get an asterisk next to his victories ... how can you play dumb and then admit you knew what you were doing??Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHe admitted he knew what it was. He could have said he had no idea but he admitted he knew.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomb
You can be sure someone like Conte would have made it quite clear to the athletes exactly what it was they were taking for when the shit hit the fan and he didnt have to go down alone.
Mosely looks sheepish like a kid admitting to his dad that he scratched his new car. He knows this is going to get seen by all his dopey, dumb, naive, fans.
This coming from Roach and the Pac camp is absolutely hilarious. Marquez very well could be doping...but Pac has been doing it for years.
According to many he'd be making it a fair fight if he's juicing. Seriously tho roach surely must just be trying to create some controvery I mean he can't be that oblivious to how ironic it is.
Ha! The irony. Any man who publically drinks his own piss with a wide smile in the name of strength and endurance is way way beyond the easy route of steroids :-X
:) First time round I read that as The roach ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by armin
If Juan did get caught, he could always say :mad: :p "Oh yuk!!! I must have drunk someone elses piss! :confused:
Roach has gone from begin brain damage to brain dead
I think it's meant to make it look like the Pac camp musn't live in a glass house if they are willing to throw PED related stones...
It only makes them look stupid though.
He has only decided to go public now? Interesting timing. The silly old slut.
He did random testing before the Mayweather fight. And he looked soft and bloated for that fight. Now he looks like a pro wrestler.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Actually, did he do random testing for the Mayweather fight? What fight did he do random testing for? I thought the Mosley Mayweather fight was the first one to do random testing?
You're right, it was Mosley. JMM said he would, if asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingHe did random testing before the Mayweather fight. And he looked soft and bloated for that fight. Now he looks like a pro wrestler.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Actually, did he do random testing for the Mayweather fight? What fight did he do random testing for? I thought the Mosley Mayweather fight was the first one to do random testing?
Got it mixed up. Either way, Roach should have asked.
To be fair...his fight against Mayweather was his first time at 147. Not saying Marquez is not on something...but for accusations to come out of the Pac camp is absolutely bs. To me Ariza's reaction to this speaks volumes. He has nothing bad to say about Heredia and his methods...which to me translates to: "I don't want negative attention coming to the strength and conditioning coaches...cause we all know my work with Pac is probably 100% not clean."Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingHe did random testing before the Mayweather fight. And he looked soft and bloated for that fight. Now he looks like a pro wrestler.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Actually, did he do random testing for the Mayweather fight? What fight did he do random testing for? I thought the Mosley Mayweather fight was the first one to do random testing?
JMM should sue Roach like Manny successfully sued Floyd. This is not the best way to hype up this fourth fight.
JMM's dodgy strength coach is suing Roach, or at least he says he is. Somehow I don't think he'll fancy going through the discovery process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
And here's the latest about PEDs in boxing :
Max Boxing - Sub Lead - Broner vs. DeMarco and the contracted USADA testing that didn’t happen
Win the suit over Roach and KTFO Pac
perfect ending to JMM's career lol
I think Marquez was implicated by Victor Conte once.
The sad fact we have to realize is that PEDs are just another part of the sport now. Has JMM used? Probably. But Roach should shut his mouth, because Manny is probably the most suspect guy in the sport.
Anyone who knows about working out knows how hard it is to put on 15-20lbs of lean muscle mass, especially when you are simultaneously undergoing incredibly strenuous cardio/endurance training.
For some things, simple "hard work" doesn't cut it.
Yep and also the argument that Pacquiao was alot heavier when he actually stepped in the ring than the weight he went in at doesnt hold water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Hatton used to be alot heavier than light welter whn he went in but theres no way he could move up to light middle or middle, be effective and still look ripped. Its a fucking joke that he wont do random testing and people still want to think of him as a hero. Hes had it now anyway. Hes slowed and will actually officially lose to Marquez this time.
It would just break my damn heart if JMM is juicing. It would, god damn it he is the one [current] Mexican fighter I like.