Who worse? Don King or Bob Arum- and why?

Well, who is more scum than the other? King or Arum?

I have a feeling that Arum is more of an undercover scum. Most of his slimey stuff never hits the light of day because Don King has taken a reputational hit because of who he was.

To be fair, Arum has robbed just as many fighters as King has. And, what's worse with Arum- is that he blocks fights. May/Pac just to name one big one. Whereas King hasn't been able to rob Larry Holmes and a few others, while he was KNOWN the make thee fights.

To be honest, Don king was RESPONSIBLE for making the fights we REALLY wanted to see, over the last 30 years. If King wasn't involved, then it wasn't happening. And, the fights we missed, we can link them back to Arum.

So, who do you have? Larger scum? Arum or King?

Personally I cant tell the difference between my female dogs stool in the front yard from my males. Both are a coiled steaming mess.

Arum all the way; He seems to hold grudges and has gotten worse with age and has stopped 1 of the biggest fights in history from happening. King would have made Pacman vs Mayweather but would have took more then his share of the purse and booted the loser when it was all over with.

King forced Holmes to fight Ali.

As far as individual acts go its no contest.

It says a lot about the odious nature of Arum that someone who killed a man, and stooped to the lows of trying to sign the conquering fighter who beat his guy, whilst still in the ring, was a breath of fresh air as far as matchmaking and his general influence in boxing goes. Bob's influence and avarice is a cancer that would rather destroy boxing than lose face, give up a cent or acknowledge anyone but his own twisted reflection.

Both are clearly amongst the highest echelon of slimeballs.. I think at present it's obviously Arum who is hurting the sport moreso, only because for whatever reason Don King doesn't really have the same kind of roster he once did. I always wondered how King was able to get to where he was though, I mean you'd listen to the guy and assume he's virtually retarded. Arum comes across like any other sort of waspy lawyer type, it's not such a mystery and for that reason I think he's a lot less endearing. Don King must have been a far harder man back in the day.

Arum. Can't stand the twat. Right now him and Suliaman are ruining boxing. Sooner the pair of 'em go the better.

That is now. Don King was sleeping with the Wbc when Bob Arum was a fart.

Don King was as bad as they come, but he's old and has less influence now.

However, Bob Arum despite his age is still very influential and he still has a very negative effect on the sport.

Although there are other shady promoters like Waldemar Kluch (Universum) and Ahmet Öner (Arena Box-Promotion), their companies are failing and on the way out. In contrast, Arum's Top Rank is thriving.

Fitting that its election season...the phrase 'lesser of two evils' comes to mind.

Today I say Arum if for any other reason that he's still relevant and making...and avoiding...key decisions that impact the sport. I propose we leave room for the newest and shrewdest as well, GBP.

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Fitting that its election season...the phrase 'lesser of two evils' comes to mind.

Today I say Arum if for any other reason that he's still relevant and making...and avoiding...key decisions that impact the sport. I propose we leave room for the newest and shrewdest as well, GBP.

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What decent Mega fight has Arum made? Tell me? The most recent fight in a long while that I can remember, which everyone thought would have been a cakewalk for the LOSER- and it was, and he was robbed- was Pac/Bradley.

But other than that Arum hasn't been at the centre of a mega fight since I can remember. All of those fights were pissy. Shoots... Pac and Marquez MADE their legends off of the fight THEY made. Marquez wa supposed to be another walk over, but he wasn't. He proved much more. Those two men had more about them making their own fight hype than Arum did for them.

Arum is worthless to the sport. At least you can tag Don King to ACTUAL fights that came off and what we had memories off of. From the Rumble in the Jungle to today!

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Fitting that its election season...the phrase 'lesser of two evils' comes to mind.

Today I say Arum if for any other reason that he's still relevant and making...and avoiding...key decisions that impact the sport. I propose we leave room for the newest and shrewdest as well, GBP.

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What decent Mega fight has Arum made? Tell me? The most recent fight in a long while that I can remember, which everyone thought would have been a cakewalk for the LOSER- and it was, and he was robbed- was Pac/Bradley.

But other than that Arum hasn't been at the centre of a mega fight since I can remember. All of those fights were pissy. Shoots... Pac and Marquez MADE their legends off of the fight THEY made. Marquez wa supposed to be another walk over, but he wasn't. He proved much more. Those two men had more about them making their own fight hype than Arum did for them.

Arum is worthless to the sport. At least you can tag Don King to ACTUAL fights that came off and what we had memories off of. From the Rumble in the Jungle to today!

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Did you notice

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still relevant and making...and avoiding...key decisions that impact the sport.

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in his remarks? He's bang on.

My two Karelian 10 month old pups get me up at odd hours at times and that's why I am commenting at this ungodly hour. I pray I don't have to smoke a joint to get back to sleep.

Alvarado
Arce
Bey
Concepcion
Calderon
Chavez Jr
His brother Omar
Benavidez
Flemming
Donaire
Cruz
Bradley
Manny
Crawford
Garcia
Gesta
Margarito
Magdelano 1 and 2
Martinez
Jones
Korobov
Lee
Vargas
Lopez
Marroquin
Vanes
Marquez
Pavlik
Montiel
Vasquez jr
Segura
Solis
Rios
Cotto until recently

He's an in house dirt bag but explain to me how he's not relevant. And please Manny/Marquez never had the first fight w/o Arum? And any fight that any of the above had was a result of Arum.

Ok that's it for me til morning. I've got a cup of green tea in hand, a marley and Mozart playing. Mutts in place.

Good evening.

Don king, i personalty dont like him.

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Fitting that its election season...the phrase 'lesser of two evils' comes to mind.

Today I say Arum if for any other reason that he's still relevant and making...and avoiding...key decisions that impact the sport. I propose we leave room for the newest and shrewdest as well, GBP.

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What decent Mega fight has Arum made? Tell me? The most recent fight in a long while that I can remember, which everyone thought would have been a cakewalk for the LOSER- and it was, and he was robbed- was Pac/Bradley.

But other than that Arum hasn't been at the centre of a mega fight since I can remember. All of those fights were pissy. Shoots... Pac and Marquez MADE their legends off of the fight THEY made. Marquez wa supposed to be another walk over, but he wasn't. He proved much more. Those two men had more about them making their own fight hype than Arum did for them.

Arum is worthless to the sport. At least you can tag Don King to ACTUAL fights that came off and what we had memories off of. From the Rumble in the Jungle to today!

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Did you notice

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still relevant and making...and avoiding...key decisions that impact the sport.

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in his remarks? He's bang on.

My two Karelian 10 month old pups get me up at odd hours at times and that's why I am commenting at this ungodly hour. I pray I don't have to smoke a joint to get back to sleep.

Alvarado
Arce
Bey
Concepcion
Calderon
Chavez Jr
His brother Omar
Benavidez
Flemming
Donaire
Cruz
Bradley
Manny
Crawford
Garcia
Gesta
Margarito
Magdelano 1 and 2
Martinez
Jones
Korobov
Lee
Vargas
Lopez
Marroquin
Vanes
Marquez
Pavlik
Montiel
Vasquez jr
Segura
Solis
Rios
Cotto until recently

He's an in house dirt bag but explain to me how he's not relevant. And please Manny/Marquez never had the first fight w/o Arum? And any fight that any of the above had was a result of Arum.

Ok that's it for me til morning. I've got a cup of green tea in hand, a marley and Mozart playing. Mutts in place.

Good evening.

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No. Understand me properly. I'm not saying Arum doesn't have fighters, but the MEGA FIGHTS have been lacking from his stable.

Take for example the Pac/Marquez fight. No one was TRULY interested in that fight series until AFTER they saw the first one, how Marquez got back up to make it a fight and how Pac was stunned by the sheer will power of Marquez.

Those two men made their own fight trilogy... they made their own legacy. Sure, Arum helped to set up the first fight and the subsequent fights, but it was by accident that those two made magic when they did.

That's all I'm saying.

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No. Understand me properly. I'm not saying Arum doesn't have fighters, but the MEGA FIGHTS have been lacking from his stable.

Take for example the Pac/Marquez fight. No one was TRULY interested in that fight series until AFTER they saw the first one, how Marquez got back up to make it a fight and how Pac was stunned by the sheer will power of Marquez.

Those two men made their own fight trilogy... they made their own legacy. Sure, Arum helped to set up the first fight and the subsequent fights, but it was by accident that those two made magic when they did.

That's all I'm saying.

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I do understand but Arum does in house fights to collect a portion of two fighters vs one and covets trinkets. Oscar is coming along the same way. Sauerland and others do the same from the Euro side.
Thats just the way it is in this risk/reward gone reverse boxing culture. Most of the mega fights over the last five or so years have Arums stamp on it. King has not been a major player for well over a decade unless you consider Mayorga relevant. Have to admit he's probably the richest gate keeper in history.

Like I tried to say in my initial post. I have a hard time telling the difference between two piles of shit. It just so happens Arum is relevant and King is not.

Arum hates Oscar and Oscar hates Arum. Arum hates Floyd and Floyd hates Arum and is affiliated with Oscar. They all have an even hand in any stagnation of the sport. That and the kazillion belts.

Arum is now but King in his heyday was overtly ruthless and conniving to the extreme. If King was around he would have maximised his purse by having the Floyd v Pac Man fight 3 years ago with star fights on the undercard. Today we get over priced crap with poor under cards from the amateur promoters in comparison to King.

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Arum is now but King in his heyday was overtly ruthless and conniving to the extreme. If King was around he would have maximised his purse by having the Floyd v Pac Man fight 3 years ago with star fights on the undercard. Today we get over priced crap with poor under cards from the amateur promoters in comparison to King.

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This. King would have done a May/Pac fight like 3 years ago. King would have gotten it done. No questions about it.

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No. Understand me properly. I'm not saying Arum doesn't have fighters, but the MEGA FIGHTS have been lacking from his stable.

Take for example the Pac/Marquez fight. No one was TRULY interested in that fight series until AFTER they saw the first one, how Marquez got back up to make it a fight and how Pac was stunned by the sheer will power of Marquez.

Those two men made their own fight trilogy... they made their own legacy. Sure, Arum helped to set up the first fight and the subsequent fights, but it was by accident that those two made magic when they did.

That's all I'm saying.

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I do understand but Arum does in house fights to collect a portion of two fighters vs one and covets trinkets. Oscar is coming along the same way. Sauerland and others do the same from the Euro side.
Thats just the way it is in this risk/reward gone reverse boxing culture. Most of the mega fights over the last five or so years have Arums stamp on it. King has not been a major player for well over a decade unless you consider Mayorga relevant. Have to admit he's probably the richest gate keeper in history.

Like I tried to say in my initial post. I have a hard time telling the difference between two piles of shit. It just so happens Arum is relevant and King is not.

Arum hates Oscar and Oscar hates Arum. Arum hates Floyd and Floyd hates Arum and is affiliated with Oscar. They all have an even hand in any stagnation of the sport. That and the kazillion belts.

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Name a "Mega-fight" that Arum was behind, aside from the Pac/Marquez affair? Be honest now...

King is the devil himself

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Hagler vs Leonard, Hagler vs. Duran, Hagler vs. Hearns etc,

I think he was also involved promoting Ali vs. Frazier II and other Ali fights.

Only Don King can be compared to Arum in promoting.

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No. Understand me properly. I'm not saying Arum doesn't have fighters, but the MEGA FIGHTS have been lacking from his stable.

Take for example the Pac/Marquez fight. No one was TRULY interested in that fight series until AFTER they saw the first one, how Marquez got back up to make it a fight and how Pac was stunned by the sheer will power of Marquez.

Those two men made their own fight trilogy... they made their own legacy. Sure, Arum helped to set up the first fight and the subsequent fights, but it was by accident that those two made magic when they did.

That's all I'm saying.

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I do understand but Arum does in house fights to collect a portion of two fighters vs one and covets trinkets. Oscar is coming along the same way. Sauerland and others do the same from the Euro side.
Thats just the way it is in this risk/reward gone reverse boxing culture. Most of the mega fights over the last five or so years have Arums stamp on it. King has not been a major player for well over a decade unless you consider Mayorga relevant. Have to admit he's probably the richest gate keeper in history.

Like I tried to say in my initial post. I have a hard time telling the difference between two piles of shit. It just so happens Arum is relevant and King is not.

Arum hates Oscar and Oscar hates Arum. Arum hates Floyd and Floyd hates Arum and is affiliated with Oscar. They all have an even hand in any stagnation of the sport. That and the kazillion belts.

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Name a "Mega-fight" that Arum was behind, aside from the Pac/Marquez affair? Be honest now...

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Are u freakin serious? You also claimed everyone from 130 to 156 are ducking Donaire. Get a grip man.

I'm pretty sure Arum has never murdered anyone, so...

Then again, I wouldn't be surprised to be proven wrong :p

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Hagler vs Leonard, Hagler vs. Duran, Hagler vs. Hearns etc,

I think he was also involved promoting Ali vs. Frazier II and other Ali fights.

Only Don King can be compared to Arum in promoting.

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Well I should have said as of late... hehehe... ok, maybe I hate Arum a little bit for this BS with May/Pac. But, I have a justification to be angry!
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No. Understand me properly. I'm not saying Arum doesn't have fighters, but the MEGA FIGHTS have been lacking from his stable.

Take for example the Pac/Marquez fight. No one was TRULY interested in that fight series until AFTER they saw the first one, how Marquez got back up to make it a fight and how Pac was stunned by the sheer will power of Marquez.

Those two men made their own fight trilogy... they made their own legacy. Sure, Arum helped to set up the first fight and the subsequent fights, but it was by accident that those two made magic when they did.

That's all I'm saying.

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I do understand but Arum does in house fights to collect a portion of two fighters vs one and covets trinkets. Oscar is coming along the same way. Sauerland and others do the same from the Euro side.
Thats just the way it is in this risk/reward gone reverse boxing culture. Most of the mega fights over the last five or so years have Arums stamp on it. King has not been a major player for well over a decade unless you consider Mayorga relevant. Have to admit he's probably the richest gate keeper in history.

Like I tried to say in my initial post. I have a hard time telling the difference between two piles of shit. It just so happens Arum is relevant and King is not.

Arum hates Oscar and Oscar hates Arum. Arum hates Floyd and Floyd hates Arum and is affiliated with Oscar. They all have an even hand in any stagnation of the sport. That and the kazillion belts.

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Are u freakin serious? You also claimed everyone from 130 to 156 are ducking Donaire. Get a grip man.

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Yea... and, I should say, anyone from 122 to 147...
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I don't see the two of them as being any different than any of the other "super" promoters that have existed throughout the history of the sport. Boxing is a business, always has been and always will be. And the nature of business is to make as much money as possible, and if the easiest way to make the most is by cheating somebody else, it's just business!!
And King not only got Ali to fight Holmes, he also (according to some) shorted his end of the money by $1million.

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I don't see the two of them as being any different than any of the other "super" promoters that have existed throughout the history of the sport. Boxing is a business, always has been and always will be. And the nature of business is to make as much money as possible, and if the easiest way to make the most is by cheating somebody else, it's just business!!
And King not only got Ali to fight Holmes, he also (according to some) shorted his end of the money by $1million.

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Look up what he did to guys like Tim Witherspoon or Hashim Rahman

Good read :

Bob Arum, one of boxing's most powerful promoters, still hustling - Chris Mannix - SI.com

don king from what i remember mostly had a stranglehold on the HW division (tho that was the biggest draw at the time)


arum has fucked over the majority of weight classes that are featured on us television at one time or another, and out of spite he tried to ruin the career of possibly the 2nd best guy in the world right now in donaire

It's like asking which is worse between having full blown AIDS or terminal cancer.

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It's like asking which is worse between having full blown AIDS or terminal cancer.

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Terminal Cancer is worse. You can live for a long time with AIDS nowadays. Having said that I still wouldn't wish it on King or Arum. Developing a conscience or a bad case of flu would probably be enough to finish them off at their advanced stage of degradation.

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It's like asking which is worse between having full blown AIDS or terminal cancer.

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Terminal Cancer is worse. You can live for a long time with AIDS nowadays. Having said that I still wouldn't wish it on King or Arum. Developing a conscience or a bad case of flu would probably be enough to finish them off at their advanced stage of degradation.

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just pop some tenofovir and you're good to go :o:o

Can anyone name a fighter who left Con King with money in there pocket?

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Can anyone name a fighter who left Con King with money in there pocket?

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Larry Holmes.

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Larry Holmes.

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Lol

Seriously man how long have you followed the sport?

Everyone from 122 to 154 is ducking Donaire
Arum is a bigger scum bag then Don King
Manny’s wife is responsible for his knockout
Arum has not made any major fights
And now Larry Holmes made money off Don King

No offense man but you have kinda committed empiricide. And yes, I know that is not an actual word.



Larry Holmes was burnt at the stake by King and probably had more law suits against the guy then anyone else in history.

Perhaps Mayorga. Possibly the richest sub par gatekeeper in history although he sued King for lost wages also.

Maybe Sanchez or Pryor. I suppose Trinidad and Chavez Sr. Benitez most likely did but put a lot of it up his nose and partied it away. Duran and Gomez also and probably Arguello. No doubt Nelson made cash along with McCallum and McClellan. None of them had the resources to sue. Holyfield made about 200 million and during that time went out and fathered a city and built castles.

Foreman made more money off his Grill then he ever made off King. Shit I’m a vegetarian and own one lol

Ali never needed King really but he got screwed over. FFS he was shafted in the Holmes fight. Imagine that. That fight should have never even happened.

Tyson was a millionaire but he also got bent over the bench by King. He settled for about 15 mil in his 100 million dollar suit.

And what of Terry Norris? Sued the slime ball and won over 7 mil

Terrible Tim. Coerced into signing a group of slave contracts settled out of court for a mil or so.

To my knowledge nobody has sued Arum. Like I said two lumps of shit. Yes Arum is a double dipping narcissist but he has put together all kinds of big fights.

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Seriously man how long have you followed the sport?

Everyone from 122 to 154 is ducking Donaire
Arum is a bigger scum bag then Don King
Manny’s wife is responsible for his knockout
Arum has not made any major fights
And now Larry Holmes made money off Don King

No offense man but you have kinda committed empiricide. And yes, I know that is not an actual word.



Larry Holmes was burnt at the stake by King and probably had more law suits against the guy then anyone else in history.

Perhaps Mayorga. Possibly the richest sub par gatekeeper in history although he sued King for lost wages also.

Maybe Sanchez or Pryor. I suppose Trinidad and Chavez Sr. Benitez most likely did but put a lot of it up his nose and partied it away. Duran and Gomez also and probably Arguello. No doubt Nelson made cash along with McCallum and McClellan. None of them had the resources to sue. Holyfield made about 200 million and during that time went out and fathered a city and built castles.

Foreman made more money off his Grill then he ever made off King. Shit I’m a vegetarian and own one lol

Ali never needed King really but he got screwed over. FFS he was shafted in the Holmes fight. Imagine that. That fight should have never even happened.

Tyson was a millionaire but he also got bent over the bench by King. He settled for about 15 mil in his 100 million dollar suit.

And what of Terry Norris? Sued the slime ball and won over 7 mil

Terrible Tim. Coerced into signing a group of slave contracts settled out of court for a mil or so.

To my knowledge nobody has sued Arum. Like I said two lumps of shit. Yes Arum is a double dipping narcissist but he has put together all kinds of big fights.

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Arum in my opinion does not have the record of big fights as does King does. Sure, Arum may not have ripped off more people than King- which ain't sayin much, because we know Arum has ripped off Floyd and Manny- but to say King has NOT given us MORE memories than that of Arum is garbage for you to say.

Secondly, I am not sure how we got on this vein of the argument- i.e., Arum has not had any major fights and also that King has not ripped off anyone. I never said either. I said King has more mega fights that we can account for- Arum does not. In fact, Arum's biggest claim to fame now is this Pac and JMM series and also the Pac and Mayweather non-fight. On the other hand, you can list King's fight making capabilities.

Sure, King may have ripped off a few guys in his day, but he got the fights done... the same can't be said about Arum.

And, re-read my post about Jinkee Pacquiao AGAIN... if you know anything about testosterone, mental stability and that making a fighter, you would know what it is I am talking about. That's why wives and girlfriends are barred from fight camp- too much of a distraction.