He won the first 3 fights with Pac, he beat Norwood and he beat Chris John.
He only ever lost to Floyd Mayweather after stepping up 2 weight divisions to fight an ATG already established with 5 fights at that weight
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He won the first 3 fights with Pac, he beat Norwood and he beat Chris John.
He only ever lost to Floyd Mayweather after stepping up 2 weight divisions to fight an ATG already established with 5 fights at that weight
Discuss ;D
JMM has only lost one argubly, Mayweather has lost one or two arguably, Pac between 6-8 its all opinion, but is very interesting!! Cotto lost to hand wrapsarito and Pac who alot of people say was on peds... oh but was marquez for this one... Boxing is crazy!!! haha
None of the above are my opinions either way just saying the general points of view from a substantial segment of boxing fans!
i thought the pac marquez results were right
Carl Froch is however unbeaten
He was on the end of a clear hometown decision against kes and ward should have been DQ'd by the 6th for all the holding
funniest joke ever, Froch got his ass handed to him by Ward, he lost clearly against Kessler, and he was given a gift against Dirrell, hardly unbeatenQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
ha, although my comment was tongue in cheek, theres little point in replying to your post as it obvious you you have a very objective opinion on the matterQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesfunniest joke ever, Froch got his ass handed to him by Ward, he lost clearly against Kessler, and he was given a gift against Dirrell, hardly unbeatenQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Chris John challenge JMM for a fight at lightweight. I would like to see JMM avenge that loss. John is still undefeated but not be much of a money draw in the states. And I know JMM won't go back to his John's hometown.
JMM one lost, is the one opponent he don't want to fight. Not the right fight for him off a great win. But who else would he train so hard for to fight?
1. Mayweather
2. Bradley
3. Rios
4. Chris John
5. Amir Khan(should he win)
6. Winner of Garcia vs Judah
7. Guerrero
8. Peterson
9. Broner
10. Pacman
JMM got OPTIONS
I really like froch but this is so true.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesfunniest joke ever, Froch got his ass handed to him by Ward, he lost clearly against Kessler, and he was given a gift against Dirrell, hardly unbeatenQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I scored the Chris John fight for John. I also scored one of the Pac fights for Pac and one a draw. I would argue that he has lost three fights. However, considering that all three losses come against future HOF's, it ain't too shabby.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Prior to retiring, I would love to see Marquez against Bradley or another top welter/junior welterweight. I think Tim Bradley beats him.
nope he didnt clearly lose to kesslerQuote:
Originally Posted by impI really like froch but this is so true.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesfunniest joke ever, Froch got his ass handed to him by Ward, he lost clearly against Kessler, and he was given a gift against Dirrell, hardly unbeatenQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
it was a very close fight
Julian wheeler was robbed :D style wise, I think he and Guerrero would be fun. All kinds of options really. It's funny. I remember a couple saying he was taking Pac 4 because he had no others. Oops on that now.
A couple fights back I would have loved a Bradley v Marquez. I really like the guy. But I think Tim needs to redeem himself a bit, more so now that Manny just got Totem polled in his following fight. I can't see Bradley beating him tomorrow. He is just to stuck in between styles and doesn't maintain a busy pace, tires late, that he'd need for Marquez..not to mention not exactly a heavy hitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI scored the Chris John fight for John. I also scored one of the Pac fights for Pac and one a draw. I would argue that he has lost three fights. However, considering that all three losses come against future HOF's, it ain't too shabby.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Prior to retiring, I would love to see Marquez against Bradley or another top
welter/junior welterweight. I think Tim Bradley beats him.
I'm going with what BoxingRec has! It's your time, waste it any way you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Remember this about PAC-MAN.
Eight-division world champion.
10 world titles and first to win lineal championship in four different classes. Think about it.
Remember this about JMM.
7 world championships in four divisions. Think about it.
Marquez KOed Manny with as beautiful a right hand counter as I have ever seen, a punch that crushed Pac-Man, but he will never have a better record than Manny. He's too old!
Get your Pac nuthugging ass outta here - these is a thread about JMMQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedI'm going with what BoxingRec has! It's your time, waste it any way you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Remember this about PAC-MAN.
Eight-division world champion.
10 world titles and first to win lineal championship in four different classes. Think about it.
Remember this about JMM.
7 world championships in four divisions. Think about it.
Marquez KOed Manny with as beautiful a right hand counter as I have ever seen, a punch that crushed Pac-Man, but he will never have a better record than Manny. He's too old!
I 100% agree. Not to mention Mayweather still had to come over the agree upon weightQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
I believe JMM beat Manny in all his fights but I think you cannot re-write history to suit your own agenda. JMM has officially lost 6 times get over it.
I'm sure you meant offically robbed insteadQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I agree with BigH. Marquez has only lost to Mayweather and like VD says, Marquez was cooked on the scales and was bulking up 2 divisions for the first time.
JMM lost his debut aswel as those defeats to John, Norwood and twice to Pac but the Foyd defeat was the worst because it looked like a man vs a boy. Floyd couldnt be bothered to make though so that fight is null and void IMO.
So if you look at it hard enough, JMM is actually undefeated. :rolleyes:
JMM closest fights or controversial losses this is my scorecard from the ones i can remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Pacquiao/Marquez 1 = 8 rounds to 4 JMM
Pacquiao/Marquez 2 = 7 rounds to 5 JMM
Pacquiao/Marquez 3 = 7 rounds to 4 1 even JMM
Barrera/Marquez = 7 rounds to 5 JMM
Norwood/Marquez = Can't remember my exact score but i think i had JMM winning by a few rounds
John/Marquez = Its been years since i watched it, but from my memory i had JMM winning. I also remember the referee being harsh on JMM.
Wheeler/Marquez = Marquez was behind but was coming on strong, Wheeler constantly held and was warned multiple times and was DQ'ed. Some people consider this controversial as it was the last round, and Wheeler was probably edging it. Haven't seen it in a long time but maybe you should check this one out BIG H.
I can make a case for itQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I honestly feel like JMM has had half a career/legacy robbed from him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI can make a case for itQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Well had he got the nod over Norwood he probably would of fought Naz, he had no business fighting Chris John for peanuts. He's probably missed out on a few fights Naseem Hamed, Erik Morales, ETC.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanI honestly feel like JMM has had half a career/legacy robbed from him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI can make a case for itQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
But now i think he's finally got the respect he deserves, and even though it's took till 40 for him to finally achieve what he wanted, all i can say its better late than never.